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flashlv: He has said it, he has said he will eliminate some tax breaks and also raise taxes.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2007-11-11-obama-social-security_N.htm
Raising SS taxes collected, that's a tax on me.
Also here, http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeff-poor/2008/01/09/under-pressure-cnn-obama-admits-wanting-raise-taxes
He says he will raise taxes.
I have a wacky idea, instead of raising taxes why not force the govenment to be more accountable for the money we already give them?
When I fuck up my budget I can't just ask for more money, the same should go for the govenment.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2007-11-11-obama-social-security_N.htm
Raising SS taxes collected, that's a tax on me.
Also here, http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeff-poor/2008/01/09/under-pressure-cnn-obama-admits-wanting-raise-taxes
He says he will raise taxes.
I have a wacky idea, instead of raising taxes why not force the govenment to be more accountable for the money we already give them?
When I fuck up my budget I can't just ask for more money, the same should go for the govenment.
I'd give you +1, but there seems to be a glitch in the matrix. :(
untrustworthy: Hillary is going to raise taxes too. So how are you quantifying that Obama's will cost more?
Obama is preaching it, Hillary is not. She is not saying she will raise the taxes, Obama has come out and said he would. Show me where Clinton will raise it more or we're done.
Obama is preaching it, Hillary is not. She is not saying she will raise the taxes, Obama has come out and said he would. Show me where Clinton will raise it more or we're done.
abbynormal: I have a wacky idea, instead of raising taxes why not force the govenment to be more accountable for the money we already give them?
When I fuck up my budget I can't just ask for more money, the same should go for the govenment.
HOW DARE YOU THINK THAT WAY! To expect our government to be accountable for the money they spend is blasphemy ;)
When I fuck up my budget I can't just ask for more money, the same should go for the govenment.
HOW DARE YOU THINK THAT WAY! To expect our government to be accountable for the money they spend is blasphemy ;)
flashlv: Obama is preaching it, Hillary is not. She is not saying she will raise the taxes, Obama has come out and said he would. Show me where Clinton will raise it more or we're done.
You still haven't actually shown where Obama will raise it more. You are terrible at this.
You still haven't actually shown where Obama will raise it more. You are terrible at this.
flashlv: Obama is preaching it, Hillary is not. She is not saying she will raise the taxes, Obama has come out and said he would. Show me where Clinton will raise it more or we're done.
You're making the claim. Show me where Obama is asking for more. Site a source.
You're making the claim. Show me where Obama is asking for more. Site a source.
bluegargoyle: You still haven't actually shown where Obama will raise it more. You are terrible at this.
Um, fail, I gave 2 links liar.
Um, fail, I gave 2 links liar.
untrustworthy: You're making the claim. Show me where Obama is asking for more. Site a source.
I think your taxes will go up no matter who wins.
That's what they do. I just would rather vote for the person who I think will do the least harm while doing it.
I think your taxes will go up no matter who wins.
That's what they do. I just would rather vote for the person who I think will do the least harm while doing it.
flashlv: I actually do all the time. Except between these 2.
No you don't. You spend more time pushing for Hillary than you do for anything else. I know there are other options out there, and I know you do too. Yet you ignore them. Instead, you push for the silliest agenda there is.
Why do you go from one bastardized extreme to the other? The only consistency I see is in belief that the government will always do right.
No you don't. You spend more time pushing for Hillary than you do for anything else. I know there are other options out there, and I know you do too. Yet you ignore them. Instead, you push for the silliest agenda there is.
Why do you go from one bastardized extreme to the other? The only consistency I see is in belief that the government will always do right.
abbynormal: I think your taxes will go up no matter who wins.
That's what they do. I just would rather vote for the person who I think will do the least harm while doing it.
So how do we fight that? I wonder if there isn't a way to set up a non-profit tax shelter that would fund a political campaign towards the elimination of income tax.
That would be a great way to fight fire with fire.
That's what they do. I just would rather vote for the person who I think will do the least harm while doing it.
So how do we fight that? I wonder if there isn't a way to set up a non-profit tax shelter that would fund a political campaign towards the elimination of income tax.
That would be a great way to fight fire with fire.
untrustworthy: No you don't. You spend more time pushing for Hillary than you do for anything else. I know there are other options out there, and I know you do too. Yet you ignore them. Instead, you push for the silliest agenda there is.
Why do you go from one bastardized extreme to the other? The only consistency I see is in belief that the government will always do right.
I like Hillary, my wife likes hillary, my father-in-law likes Hillary. I like her, I think she would be better than Obama, I really think McCain would be the overall best, but I don't think a Pub should be in office.
Why do you go from one bastardized extreme to the other? The only consistency I see is in belief that the government will always do right.
I like Hillary, my wife likes hillary, my father-in-law likes Hillary. I like her, I think she would be better than Obama, I really think McCain would be the overall best, but I don't think a Pub should be in office.
flashlv: I like Hillary, my wife likes hillary, my father-in-law likes Hillary. I like her, I think she would be better than Obama, I really think McCain would be the overall best, but I don't think a Pub should be in office.
I appreciate that candor. And I hope you all lose. I hate Hillary. She is far from honest, as is her husband, and wishes for private agendas to be rewarded far beyond her current opponents.
She will not make it. I'm guessing you're realizing this now. So are you going back to McCain?
I appreciate that candor. And I hope you all lose. I hate Hillary. She is far from honest, as is her husband, and wishes for private agendas to be rewarded far beyond her current opponents.
She will not make it. I'm guessing you're realizing this now. So are you going back to McCain?
flashlv: Um, fail, I gave 2 links liar.
Two links that suggest Obama will raise taxes. I don't see anyone disputing that here. Where do you get the proof that he will raise them MORE than Clinton (the basis of your argument)?
Work on that one and I'll check to see if you came up with anything in the morning, doughboy.
Two links that suggest Obama will raise taxes. I don't see anyone disputing that here. Where do you get the proof that he will raise them MORE than Clinton (the basis of your argument)?
Work on that one and I'll check to see if you came up with anything in the morning, doughboy.
bluegargoyle: Two links that suggest Obama will raise taxes. I don't see anyone disputing that here. Where do you get the proof that he will raise them MORE than Clinton (the basis of your argument)?
Work on that one and I'll check to see if you came up with anything in the morning, doughboy.
It's simple, so you won't understand it. Clinton is not going around and saying she will, Obama is. Its just THAT simple, really.
Work on that one and I'll check to see if you came up with anything in the morning, doughboy.
It's simple, so you won't understand it. Clinton is not going around and saying she will, Obama is. Its just THAT simple, really.
untrustworthy: I appreciate that candor. And I hope you all lose. I hate Hillary. She is far from honest, as is her husband, and wishes for private agendas to be rewarded far beyond her current opponents.
She will not make it. I'm guessing you're realizing this now. So are you going back to McCain?
I feel she is just as honest as Obama is. Obama has Wright, Rezko and higher taxes and less coverage for me under healthcare.
She will not make it. I'm guessing you're realizing this now. So are you going back to McCain?
I feel she is just as honest as Obama is. Obama has Wright, Rezko and higher taxes and less coverage for me under healthcare.
flashlv: I feel she is just as honest as Obama is. Obama has Wright, Rezko and higher taxes and less coverage for me under healthcare.
Hillary has expensive healthcare, ridden upon the coattails of her husband, and countless lobbyists, earmarks, and associations which reveal her character to be tied with corporatism and corruption.
Hillary has expensive healthcare, ridden upon the coattails of her husband, and countless lobbyists, earmarks, and associations which reveal her character to be tied with corporatism and corruption.
flashlv: Obama is preaching it, Hillary is not. She is not saying she will raise the taxes, Obama has come out and said he would. Show me where Clinton will raise it more or we're done.
The question really is - "do you believe clinton".
Note that there's a vast world of difference between "not saying she will raise taxes" and "saying she will not raise taxes".
Of course, we all know that "no new taxes" does not actually mean no new taxes.
The question really is - "do you believe clinton".
Note that there's a vast world of difference between "not saying she will raise taxes" and "saying she will not raise taxes".
Of course, we all know that "no new taxes" does not actually mean no new taxes.
flashlv: Obama is preaching it, Hillary is not. She is not saying she will raise the taxes, Obama has come out and said he would. Show me where Clinton will raise it more or we're done.
Well, let's see, she's proposed a bunch of new spending initiatives, and hasn't mentioned cutting anything anywhere. Do you think she's just going to shit Socialized Health Care?
Well, let's see, she's proposed a bunch of new spending initiatives, and hasn't mentioned cutting anything anywhere. Do you think she's just going to shit Socialized Health Care?
Christians, Muslims -- kill 'em all and let their gods sort 'em out.
I'm a Muslim Athiest who Worships Jesus but likes to attend Temple on Saturdays. I should be President because I can pull all the swing voters except for non-hamburger eating Hindus...and they smell anyway.
capt kirk: I give up. You stupid fucking libs will say or make up any fucking thing you need to try and sound smart or to win an argument. Example above.
*facepalm*
Perhaps if you knew one single thing about the situation in congress, we wouldn't be laughing at you.
As it is...
*point and laugh, laugh, laugh*
*facepalm*
Perhaps if you knew one single thing about the situation in congress, we wouldn't be laughing at you.
As it is...
*point and laugh, laugh, laugh*
elchip: Original document
I love that they have something titled that "BushBunglingEtc." on a house.gov page.
I love that they have something titled that "BushBunglingEtc." on a house.gov page.
larjmarj: The ignorance is appalling.
Yet not entirely surprising.
There are people out there who still insist, rather angrily at that, that Saddam still has WMDs out there.
Yet not entirely surprising.
There are people out there who still insist, rather angrily at that, that Saddam still has WMDs out there.
sloth: Well, let's see, she's proposed a bunch of new spending initiatives, and hasn't mentioned cutting anything anywhere. Do you think she's just going to shit Socialized Health Care?
I thought the latest Hillary plan was that she would legally require that everyone buy expensive corporate healthcare.
I thought the latest Hillary plan was that she would legally require that everyone buy expensive corporate healthcare.
I've lived all around the country, but I've lived in southern WV for the last year. It is a depressing shit hole. I am seriously not surprised by the ignorant comments in the article. You always hear that West Viriginians are nice and they are if you're white and a bible thumper.
akuinnen: I've lived all around the country, but I've lived in southern WV for the last year. It is a depressing shit hole. I am seriously not surprised by the ignorant comments in the article. You always hear that West Viriginians are nice and they are if you're white and a bible thumper.
That's a sad-ass state for sure. It's full of beautiful mountains, many of which get their tops blown off for coal.
Despite all the coal, the people are poor as hell.
That's a sad-ass state for sure. It's full of beautiful mountains, many of which get their tops blown off for coal.
Despite all the coal, the people are poor as hell.
flashlv: It's simple, so you won't understand it. Clinton is not going around and saying she will, Obama is. Its just THAT simple, really.
He said he was going to raise taxes more than Hillary was going to? He actually said that?
[sigh]
He said he was going to raise taxes more than Hillary was going to? He actually said that?
[sigh]
mrtoast: That's a sad-ass state for sure. It's full of beautiful mountains, many of which get their tops blown off for coal.
Despite all the coal, the people are poor as hell.
I have yet to see any signs protesting mountain top removal. I have seen signs against installing wind turbines because they would make the hills an eye sore.
Funny how that works.
Despite all the coal, the people are poor as hell.
I have yet to see any signs protesting mountain top removal. I have seen signs against installing wind turbines because they would make the hills an eye sore.
Funny how that works.
untrustworthy: Hillary has expensive healthcare, ridden upon the coattails of her husband, and countless lobbyists, earmarks, and associations which reveal her character to be tied with corporatism and corruption.
Obama has those same exact ties.
Obama has those same exact ties.
bluegargoyle: He said he was going to raise taxes more than Hillary was going to? He actually said that?
[sigh]
I don't think anyone alluded to that in this thread, where did you get that from?!
[sigh]
I don't think anyone alluded to that in this thread, where did you get that from?!
flashlv: Obama has those same exact ties.
Bullshit. Hillary is far worse.
I'm not stupid, man. Site some sources that'll sway me or acknowledge that you're making shit up.
Bullshit. Hillary is far worse.
I'm not stupid, man. Site some sources that'll sway me or acknowledge that you're making shit up.
untrustworthy: Bullshit. Hillary is far worse.
I'm not stupid, man. Site some sources that'll sway me or acknowledge that you're making shit up.
After you cite some that show she's worse. That's how it works isn't it? You made the first statement about Hillary, so lets see, and I'll show what I have, deal?
I'm not stupid, man. Site some sources that'll sway me or acknowledge that you're making shit up.
After you cite some that show she's worse. That's how it works isn't it? You made the first statement about Hillary, so lets see, and I'll show what I have, deal?
flashlv: After you cite some that show she's worse. That's how it works isn't it? You made the first statement about Hillary, so lets see, and I'll show what I have, deal?
I've made my case many times. I've yet to see you make a case. So put up or shut up.
I've made my case many times. I've yet to see you make a case. So put up or shut up.
untrustworthy: I've made my case many times. I've yet to see you make a case. So put up or shut up.
untrustworthy: Hillary has expensive healthcare, ridden upon the coattails of her husband, and countless lobbyists, earmarks, and associations which reveal her character to be tied with corporatism and corruption.
As soon as you do, you can't always expect me to do your work for you. For some reason you think you can make these statements without backing them up, but you are requiring me to back mine up before you back yours up.
sorry but once you do it I will. You were the first to make a statement without anything to back it up not me.
untrustworthy: Hillary has expensive healthcare, ridden upon the coattails of her husband, and countless lobbyists, earmarks, and associations which reveal her character to be tied with corporatism and corruption.
As soon as you do, you can't always expect me to do your work for you. For some reason you think you can make these statements without backing them up, but you are requiring me to back mine up before you back yours up.
sorry but once you do it I will. You were the first to make a statement without anything to back it up not me.
UT, I'll give a little.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/07/despite-rhetori.html
That's Obama, we have that plus we have Rezko and Wright.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/07/despite-rhetori.html
That's Obama, we have that plus we have Rezko and Wright.
mrtoast: That's a sad-ass state for sure. It's full of beautiful mountains, many of which get their tops blown off for coal.
Despite all the coal, the people are poor as hell.
I watched a special recently on PBS about that. That kind of thing would never fly here (Alaska). Just getting some silt in the water (flowing waters) will result in fines of $20,000/day per violation. I am extra careful when desiging my mining plan anyway, but that's an added incentive.
Despite all the coal, the people are poor as hell.
I watched a special recently on PBS about that. That kind of thing would never fly here (Alaska). Just getting some silt in the water (flowing waters) will result in fines of $20,000/day per violation. I am extra careful when desiging my mining plan anyway, but that's an added incentive.
flashlv: UT, I'll give a little.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/07/despite-rhetori.html
That's Obama, we have that plus we have Rezko and Wright.
Rezko and Wright are non-issues.
http://cnnvsfox.blogspot.com/2008/02/clinton-vs-obama-vs-mccain-earmarks.html
Back atcha.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/07/despite-rhetori.html
That's Obama, we have that plus we have Rezko and Wright.
Rezko and Wright are non-issues.
http://cnnvsfox.blogspot.com/2008/02/clinton-vs-obama-vs-mccain-earmarks.html
Back atcha.
untrustworthy: Rezko and Wright are non-issues.
http://cnnvsfox.blogspot.com/2008/02/clinton-vs-obama-vs-mccain-earmarks.html
Back atcha.
Non issues to you, not to me and many others.
Earmarks need to get under control, but how is that an issue of her being in someones pocket?
http://cnnvsfox.blogspot.com/2008/02/clinton-vs-obama-vs-mccain-earmarks.html
Back atcha.
Non issues to you, not to me and many others.
Earmarks need to get under control, but how is that an issue of her being in someones pocket?
flashlv: Non issues to you, not to me and many others.
That's because you're goofy-cakes.
Earmarks need to get under control, but how is that an issue of her being in someones pocket?
Because she's bringing money back for personal favors. But you can also look at the lobbyist issue if you want to see a broader scope of her corruption.
That's because you're goofy-cakes.
Earmarks need to get under control, but how is that an issue of her being in someones pocket?
Because she's bringing money back for personal favors. But you can also look at the lobbyist issue if you want to see a broader scope of her corruption.
untrustworthy: That's because you're goofy-cakes.
Earmarks need to get under control, but how is that an issue of her being in someones pocket?
Because she's bringing money back for personal favors. But you can also look at the lobbyist issue if you want to see a broader scope of her corruption.
Obama has been no slouch in this territory, according to Opensecrets. Employees of investment banking firms gave him $3.2 million; real estate companies $1.3 million; health companies, $701,993; and hedge funds $652,105.
Clinton's contributions fit much the same pattern.
From your link.
I'm not saying she doesn't give to lobbyists, but all politicians do. I would love to see one that doesn't, they should be elected.
Earmarks need to get under control, but how is that an issue of her being in someones pocket?
Because she's bringing money back for personal favors. But you can also look at the lobbyist issue if you want to see a broader scope of her corruption.
Obama has been no slouch in this territory, according to Opensecrets. Employees of investment banking firms gave him $3.2 million; real estate companies $1.3 million; health companies, $701,993; and hedge funds $652,105.
Clinton's contributions fit much the same pattern.
From your link.
I'm not saying she doesn't give to lobbyists, but all politicians do. I would love to see one that doesn't, they should be elected.
flashlv: Obama has been no slouch in this territory, according to Opensecrets. Employees of investment banking firms gave him $3.2 million; real estate companies $1.3 million; health companies, $701,993; and hedge funds $652,105.
Clinton's contributions fit much the same pattern.
From your link.
I'm not saying she doesn't give to lobbyists, but all politicians do. I would love to see one that doesn't, they should be elected.
So at best, according to you, she's got similar practices as Obama (actually worse than Obama in reality). So what convinces you that she's so much better again?
Clinton's contributions fit much the same pattern.
From your link.
I'm not saying she doesn't give to lobbyists, but all politicians do. I would love to see one that doesn't, they should be elected.
So at best, according to you, she's got similar practices as Obama (actually worse than Obama in reality). So what convinces you that she's so much better again?
untrustworthy: So at best, according to you, she's got similar practices as Obama (actually worse than Obama in reality). So what convinces you that she's so much better again?
Less taxes.
Less taxes.
flashlv: Less taxes.
You're gonna have to prove that her taxes are less and then quantify who would be effected by the taxes.
You're gonna have to prove that her taxes are less and then quantify who would be effected by the taxes.
untrustworthy: You're gonna have to prove that her taxes are less and then quantify who would be effected by the taxes.
I have to prove nothing at all. I have a feeling that she will not raise taxes as much as him. That's all I have because nothing really matter because they will do what they want after the election, just look at congress. They promised a lot and delivered nothing.
I have to prove nothing at all. I have a feeling that she will not raise taxes as much as him. That's all I have because nothing really matter because they will do what they want after the election, just look at congress. They promised a lot and delivered nothing.
flashlv: I have to prove nothing at all. I have a feeling that she will not raise taxes as much as him. That's all I have because nothing really matter because they will do what they want after the election, just look at congress. They promised a lot and delivered nothing.
So you're basing it on a gut feeling? That seems like a pretty small issue for all of the hatred you spew about Obama. I don't like choosing my candidates on simple emotional responses. I'm not sure why you do.
So you're basing it on a gut feeling? That seems like a pretty small issue for all of the hatred you spew about Obama. I don't like choosing my candidates on simple emotional responses. I'm not sure why you do.
untrustworthy: So you're basing it on a gut feeling? That seems like a pretty small issue for all of the hatred you spew about Obama. I don't like choosing my candidates on simple emotional responses. I'm not sure why you do.
Choosing the candidate off of an emotional response is just as good as anything else considering politicians are liars.
Why is there a problem that I hate Obama, but everyone who hates clinton gets a free pass here.
Choosing the candidate off of an emotional response is just as good as anything else considering politicians are liars.
Why is there a problem that I hate Obama, but everyone who hates clinton gets a free pass here.
flashlv: Choosing the candidate off of an emotional response is just as good as anything else considering politicians are liars.
No it isn't. You look at their track record. There's no excuse for choosing based on emotional response.
Why is there a problem that I hate Obama, but everyone who hates clinton gets a free pass here.
I don't care if you hate Obama. But you should at least have good reasons for it. To date, he's been far more honest than Hillary. So if your concern is getting a truthful politician, then I'm not sure why you're siding with the one with a long history of fabricating stories.
No it isn't. You look at their track record. There's no excuse for choosing based on emotional response.
Why is there a problem that I hate Obama, but everyone who hates clinton gets a free pass here.
I don't care if you hate Obama. But you should at least have good reasons for it. To date, he's been far more honest than Hillary. So if your concern is getting a truthful politician, then I'm not sure why you're siding with the one with a long history of fabricating stories.
untrustworthy: No it isn't. You look at their track record. There's no excuse for choosing based on emotional response.
Why is there a problem that I hate Obama, but everyone who hates clinton gets a free pass here.
I don't care if you hate Obama. But you should at least have good reasons for it. To date, he's been far more honest than Hillary. So if your concern is getting a truthful politician, then I'm not sure why you're siding with the one with a long history of fabricating stories.
UT, for some reason you think Obama's track record is where it is because he cares, sorry I don't think so. I think it's where it is because he candidacy has been planned for years and they planned for him to look clean. I'm not buying it.
I disagree that he's been more honest, I would say just as honest and nothing more.
Also, Obama wants to use my taxes to pay for other peoples healthcare fully, while I'll still have to pay.
Why is there a problem that I hate Obama, but everyone who hates clinton gets a free pass here.
I don't care if you hate Obama. But you should at least have good reasons for it. To date, he's been far more honest than Hillary. So if your concern is getting a truthful politician, then I'm not sure why you're siding with the one with a long history of fabricating stories.
UT, for some reason you think Obama's track record is where it is because he cares, sorry I don't think so. I think it's where it is because he candidacy has been planned for years and they planned for him to look clean. I'm not buying it.
I disagree that he's been more honest, I would say just as honest and nothing more.
Also, Obama wants to use my taxes to pay for other peoples healthcare fully, while I'll still have to pay.
flashlv: UT, for some reason you think Obama's track record is where it is because he cares, sorry I don't think so. I think it's where it is because he candidacy has been planned for years and they planned for him to look clean. I'm not buying it.
Uh, Hillary has been pushing for her candidacy since she and Bill got together. She's been riding his coattails this entire time. I fail to see any evidence that Obama even considered running before his rousing speech at the DNC last election.
I disagree that he's been more honest, I would say just as honest and nothing more.
Based on nothing but your gut feeling. That's not compelling to me at all. I can show you many, many times that Hillary has been caught lying. Her husband as well. They're notorious liars.
Also, Obama wants to use my taxes to pay for other peoples healthcare fully, while I'll still have to pay.
Uh, you're going to have to pay more. It's not like the money to pay for everyone's healthcare is just going to magically appear. Hillary has a very expensive and restrictive plan.
I prefer no socialized medicine, thank you very much. That's one of the reasons I won't be voting for Hillary or Obama.
Uh, Hillary has been pushing for her candidacy since she and Bill got together. She's been riding his coattails this entire time. I fail to see any evidence that Obama even considered running before his rousing speech at the DNC last election.
I disagree that he's been more honest, I would say just as honest and nothing more.
Based on nothing but your gut feeling. That's not compelling to me at all. I can show you many, many times that Hillary has been caught lying. Her husband as well. They're notorious liars.
Also, Obama wants to use my taxes to pay for other peoples healthcare fully, while I'll still have to pay.
Uh, you're going to have to pay more. It's not like the money to pay for everyone's healthcare is just going to magically appear. Hillary has a very expensive and restrictive plan.
I prefer no socialized medicine, thank you very much. That's one of the reasons I won't be voting for Hillary or Obama.
flashlv: I don't think anyone alluded to that in this thread, where did you get that from?!
Where indeed. Let's take another look, shall we?
flashlv: Hillary isn't threatening to raise taxes as much as Obama will.
untrustworthy: I mean, how are you calculating that Obama's taxes will be greater. I'm not saying you're wrong, I just want to see your source.
flashlv: He has said it, he has said he will eliminate some tax breaks and also raise taxes.
UT specifically asked you where you get that Obama will raise taxes more than Hilldawg, and that was your response.
ARE you saying that Obama will raise taxes more than Hillary would, or are you not? Because again- if you are- it doesn't look like you've made that case. And if you are not, then what, if anything, is your point. They will both raise taxes. Do you have any real evidence that Obama would raise taxes more than Hillary would, or don't you?
Where indeed. Let's take another look, shall we?
flashlv: Hillary isn't threatening to raise taxes as much as Obama will.
untrustworthy: I mean, how are you calculating that Obama's taxes will be greater. I'm not saying you're wrong, I just want to see your source.
flashlv: He has said it, he has said he will eliminate some tax breaks and also raise taxes.
UT specifically asked you where you get that Obama will raise taxes more than Hilldawg, and that was your response.
ARE you saying that Obama will raise taxes more than Hillary would, or are you not? Because again- if you are- it doesn't look like you've made that case. And if you are not, then what, if anything, is your point. They will both raise taxes. Do you have any real evidence that Obama would raise taxes more than Hillary would, or don't you?
bluegargoyle: UT specifically asked you where you get that Obama will raise taxes more than Hilldawg, and that was your response.
ARE you saying that Obama will raise taxes more than Hillary would, or are you not? Because again- if you are- it doesn't look like you've made that case. And if you are not, then what, if anything, is your point. They will both raise taxes. Do you have any real evidence that Obama would raise taxes more than Hillary would, or don't you?
Thank you. This is what I'm driving at. I want to know what the benefits and costs of proposed programs are and how it's going to effect the tax payers, particularly me. I'm not interested in making judgments based upon emotional response.
ARE you saying that Obama will raise taxes more than Hillary would, or are you not? Because again- if you are- it doesn't look like you've made that case. And if you are not, then what, if anything, is your point. They will both raise taxes. Do you have any real evidence that Obama would raise taxes more than Hillary would, or don't you?
Thank you. This is what I'm driving at. I want to know what the benefits and costs of proposed programs are and how it's going to effect the tax payers, particularly me. I'm not interested in making judgments based upon emotional response.
untrustworthy: Thank you. This is what I'm driving at. I want to know what the benefits and costs of proposed programs are and how it's going to effect the tax payers, particularly me. I'm not interested in making judgments based upon emotional response.
I doubt Flash really is either- he's just trolling as usual and we are wasting time getting caught up in it. You can't serious expect a rational answer from Flash, but if he's going to make it this easy to make the anti-Obama crowd look stupid, I'm not going to pass up on such low-hanging fruit.
I doubt Flash really is either- he's just trolling as usual and we are wasting time getting caught up in it. You can't serious expect a rational answer from Flash, but if he's going to make it this easy to make the anti-Obama crowd look stupid, I'm not going to pass up on such low-hanging fruit.
Blue, just an FYI, I'm not reading your posts, you constantly attack me and never want to have a real discussion, it's better if I start ignoring the usual suspects, sorry.
untrustworthy: Thank you. This is what I'm driving at. I want to know what the benefits and costs of proposed programs are and how it's going to effect the tax payers, particularly me. I'm not interested in making judgments based upon emotional response.
The decision should have some emotion involved, look at the Democrats and Republicans voting straight tickets because of emotion.
Emotion is very important, you have yet given me a reason to trust Obama more than Clinton.
I also look at record and that's where the emotion also comes in. I look at why this or that was done. That's why I don't like Obama, there is nothing more to discuss since you think I need more to not like Obama.
The decision should have some emotion involved, look at the Democrats and Republicans voting straight tickets because of emotion.
Emotion is very important, you have yet given me a reason to trust Obama more than Clinton.
I also look at record and that's where the emotion also comes in. I look at why this or that was done. That's why I don't like Obama, there is nothing more to discuss since you think I need more to not like Obama.
UT, I dislike Obama because he has Wright and Rezko, plus his lack of experience.
Clinton has much more experience, and Obama will be easier to be manipulated by people with more experience.
If you don't like my reasoning then that's okay. But it is what it is.
Not sure why the troll (bluegargoyle) keeps posting as is he's not trolling.
Clinton has much more experience, and Obama will be easier to be manipulated by people with more experience.
If you don't like my reasoning then that's okay. But it is what it is.
Not sure why the troll (bluegargoyle) keeps posting as is he's not trolling.
flashlv: Blue, just an FYI, I'm not reading your posts, you constantly attack me and never want to have a real discussion, it's better if I start ignoring the usual suspects, sorry.
That's what I would expect you to say when you lose an argument. Ignore people smarter than you and then claim they they are the ones not actually discussing the subject.
And still no answer to UT's question about where you get that Obama would raise taxes more. Delicious.
flashlv: Not sure why the troll (bluegargoyle) keeps posting as is he's not trolling.
... Says one of the most well known trolls on bN.
That's what I would expect you to say when you lose an argument. Ignore people smarter than you and then claim they they are the ones not actually discussing the subject.
And still no answer to UT's question about where you get that Obama would raise taxes more. Delicious.
flashlv: Not sure why the troll (bluegargoyle) keeps posting as is he's not trolling.
... Says one of the most well known trolls on bN.
And he keeps trying to hook me lol.
flashlv: And he keeps trying to hook me lol.
Ok. If you're giving up then you're giving up. Nobody's saying you aren't allowed to concede defeat, Flash.
So we are settled. There is no evidence that Obama will raise taxes more than Hillary. Glad we got that cleared up.
Ok. If you're giving up then you're giving up. Nobody's saying you aren't allowed to concede defeat, Flash.
So we are settled. There is no evidence that Obama will raise taxes more than Hillary. Glad we got that cleared up.
flashlv: The decision should have some emotion involved, look at the Democrats and Republicans voting straight tickets because of emotion.
Citing bad examples of decision does not make yours any better.
Emotion is very important, you have yet given me a reason to trust Obama more than Clinton.
Sure I have. You've read my posts, haven't you?
I also look at record and that's where the emotion also comes in. I look at why this or that was done. That's why I don't like Obama, there is nothing more to discuss since you think I need more to not like Obama.
I don't think you need to like Obama. I just find your lack of reasoning puzzling, at best.
Citing bad examples of decision does not make yours any better.
Emotion is very important, you have yet given me a reason to trust Obama more than Clinton.
Sure I have. You've read my posts, haven't you?
I also look at record and that's where the emotion also comes in. I look at why this or that was done. That's why I don't like Obama, there is nothing more to discuss since you think I need more to not like Obama.
I don't think you need to like Obama. I just find your lack of reasoning puzzling, at best.
flashlv: UT, I dislike Obama because he has Wright and Rezko, plus his lack of experience.
Those two are non-issues. You'd have to be daft to think they add up to anything besides mud slinging by the media.
Clinton has much more experience, and Obama will be easier to be manipulated by people with more experience.
Clinton doesn't have more experience. And she doesn't need to be manipulated because she's already in bed with special interest groups.
If you don't like my reasoning then that's okay. But it is what it is.
But you're not actually using reasoning. All you have is emotional response. And that's fine if that's how you want to make your decision. But it doesn't do much for your arguments here.
Those two are non-issues. You'd have to be daft to think they add up to anything besides mud slinging by the media.
Clinton has much more experience, and Obama will be easier to be manipulated by people with more experience.
Clinton doesn't have more experience. And she doesn't need to be manipulated because she's already in bed with special interest groups.
If you don't like my reasoning then that's okay. But it is what it is.
But you're not actually using reasoning. All you have is emotional response. And that's fine if that's how you want to make your decision. But it doesn't do much for your arguments here.
flashlv: And he keeps trying to hook me lol.
He's not trolling you. He's asking very valid questions. He's trying to get you to answer something I asked awhile back, yet you never answered.
He's not trolling you. He's asking very valid questions. He's trying to get you to answer something I asked awhile back, yet you never answered.
BTW, flash, it looks like Hillary is getting ready to drop out. So this argument is probably pointless at this time.
untrustworthy: He's not trolling you. He's asking very valid questions. He's trying to get you to answer something I asked awhile back, yet you never answered.
He can't answer it, that's the whole point. He realizes now he made a claim with nothing to back it up, and now he can't defend it, can't save face.
There have been a few people who I could have real meat-and-potatoes arguments with on bN, but arguing with Flash just seems like beating up a retarded baby. Far too easy to claim any meaningful victory.
He can't answer it, that's the whole point. He realizes now he made a claim with nothing to back it up, and now he can't defend it, can't save face.
There have been a few people who I could have real meat-and-potatoes arguments with on bN, but arguing with Flash just seems like beating up a retarded baby. Far too easy to claim any meaningful victory.
untrustworthy: But you're not actually using reasoning. All you have is emotional response. And that's fine if that's how you want to make your decision. But it doesn't do much for your arguments here.
UT, to YOU they are non issues, not to me and many other people. You are acting like only issues that matter to you should....matter.
UT, to YOU they are non issues, not to me and many other people. You are acting like only issues that matter to you should....matter.
untrustworthy: BTW, flash, it looks like Hillary is getting ready to drop out. So this argument is probably pointless at this time.
I'm not holding my breath, though I will indeed be delighted if it actually happens.
I doubt Flash really wants Hillary to be president anyway- like other Republicans he just wants her to get the Democratic nomination because they assume she is more beatable, not because he really wants her to take the White House.
I'm not holding my breath, though I will indeed be delighted if it actually happens.
I doubt Flash really wants Hillary to be president anyway- like other Republicans he just wants her to get the Democratic nomination because they assume she is more beatable, not because he really wants her to take the White House.
untrustworthy: He's not trolling you. He's asking very valid questions. He's trying to get you to answer something I asked awhile back, yet you never answered.
I wouldn't know, what did I not answer that I probably answered but you think I didn't? Is it about why I think Obama will raise taxes more? I supplied a few links explaining my reasoning. If you don't like my reason, that's you, not me!
I wouldn't know, what did I not answer that I probably answered but you think I didn't? Is it about why I think Obama will raise taxes more? I supplied a few links explaining my reasoning. If you don't like my reason, that's you, not me!
untrustworthy: BTW, flash, it looks like Hillary is getting ready to drop out. So this argument is probably pointless at this time.
I doubt she will, because she said HE, doesn't mean shit.
If that happens it's either McCain or Nader.
I doubt she will, because she said HE, doesn't mean shit.
If that happens it's either McCain or Nader.
flashlv: I wouldn't know, what did I not answer that I probably answered but you think I didn't? Is it about why I think Obama will raise taxes more?
Whoa whoa whoa! NOW you are falling back to saying you ARE claiming Obama would raise taxes more? What happened to... flashlv: I don't think anyone alluded to that in this thread, where did you get that from?!
This is just silly, how bad you are at this.
Whoa whoa whoa! NOW you are falling back to saying you ARE claiming Obama would raise taxes more? What happened to... flashlv: I don't think anyone alluded to that in this thread, where did you get that from?!
This is just silly, how bad you are at this.
circular arguments, they bring out the tard in everyone...
flashlv: I wouldn't know, what did I not answer that I probably answered but you think I didn't? Is it about why I think Obama will raise taxes more? I supplied a few links explaining my reasoning. If you don't like my reason, that's you, not me!
None of your links specified any method of totaling up the amount of taxes each candidate proposes. But given Hillary's history and campaign promises, I think it's pretty easy to realize that she's going to raise taxes higher than Obama.
None of your links specified any method of totaling up the amount of taxes each candidate proposes. But given Hillary's history and campaign promises, I think it's pretty easy to realize that she's going to raise taxes higher than Obama.
flashlv: I doubt she will, because she said HE, doesn't mean shit.
If that happens it's either McCain or Nader.
Well, whether she drops out or not, the nails are being driven into her campaign coffin.
If that happens it's either McCain or Nader.
Well, whether she drops out or not, the nails are being driven into her campaign coffin.
untrustworthy: None of your links specified any method of totaling up the amount of taxes each candidate proposes. But given Hillary's history and campaign promises, I think it's pretty easy to realize that she's going to raise taxes higher than Obama.
good, I think differently based on what he has said and been willing to say so easily.
good, I think differently based on what he has said and been willing to say so easily.
flashlv: good, I think differently based on what he has said and been willing to say so easily.
What he has said? Like what? Did he say, "I plan on raising taxes higher than Hillary," or something?
What he has said? Like what? Did he say, "I plan on raising taxes higher than Hillary," or something?
untrustworthy: What he has said? Like what? Did he say, "I plan on raising taxes higher than Hillary," or something?
UT, he is passionate about raising taxes and talks about it a lot, Hillary doesn't. Why is that to hard for you to believe?
UT, he is passionate about raising taxes and talks about it a lot, Hillary doesn't. Why is that to hard for you to believe?
flashlv: UT, he is passionate about raising taxes and talks about it a lot, Hillary doesn't. Why is that to hard for you to believe?
Now you're making shit up. Come on, flash. Do you think I'm an idiot? Do you think you can blow smoke up my ass and not realize it?
Now you're making shit up. Come on, flash. Do you think I'm an idiot? Do you think you can blow smoke up my ass and not realize it?
flashlv: UT, he is passionate about raising taxes and talks about it a lot, Hillary doesn't. Why is that to hard for you to believe?
Hillary does not talk as much about raising taxes, therefore tax increases under Hillary would obviously be lower. Because as we all know, politicians NEVER say one thing and yet do another. Especially when it comes to discussing taxes.
Hillary does not talk as much about raising taxes, therefore tax increases under Hillary would obviously be lower. Because as we all know, politicians NEVER say one thing and yet do another. Especially when it comes to discussing taxes.
untrustworthy: Now you're making shit up. Come on, flash. Do you think I'm an idiot? Do you think you can blow smoke up my ass and not realize it?
UT, I gave you 2 links that shows Obama wanting to raise taxes. That's my evidence.
UT, I gave you 2 links that shows Obama wanting to raise taxes. That's my evidence.
flashlv: UT, I gave you 2 links that shows Obama wanting to raise taxes. That's my evidence.
And I can provide links that show that Hillary wants to raise taxes. So what does that prove?
And I can provide links that show that Hillary wants to raise taxes. So what does that prove?
untrustworthy: And I can provide links that show that Hillary wants to raise taxes. So what does that prove?
it proves nothing UT. Mine proves nothing. I never said this was set in stone like you think. I feel from his words that he will raise taxes more. That's all I need really.
it proves nothing UT. Mine proves nothing. I never said this was set in stone like you think. I feel from his words that he will raise taxes more. That's all I need really.
flashlv: it proves nothing UT. Mine proves nothing. I never said this was set in stone like you think. I feel from his words that he will raise taxes more. That's all I need really.
So we're back to your gut feeling. Which isn't going to compel anyone to your side. Yet you spew hatred for Obama in every thread you get the chance. Do you really think anyone is buying your argument since it's not based on rationale?
So we're back to your gut feeling. Which isn't going to compel anyone to your side. Yet you spew hatred for Obama in every thread you get the chance. Do you really think anyone is buying your argument since it's not based on rationale?
untrustworthy: So we're back to your gut feeling. Which isn't going to compel anyone to your side. Yet you spew hatred for Obama in every thread you get the chance. Do you really think anyone is buying your argument since it's not based on rationale?
UT, there is hatred for Mccain and Clinton spewed and you don't get up in arms about that. So I guess we are done.
UT, there is hatred for Mccain and Clinton spewed and you don't get up in arms about that. So I guess we are done.