13 Middle East countries have begun nuclear programs in response to Iran, not Israel. Can radioactive oil still power cars?
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Every country should have nukes. After all, America is the only country who has actually used 'em.
Yes
Can it? Would it?
Why would the oil be radioactive?
And could it be that some countries recognise the fact that oil will run out someday (Saudi Arabia has been pumping saltwater from many of their wells instead of oil for a long time)?
If only some countries weren't so ignorant regarding the future of energy. I'm looking at you, U.S.A.
Why would the oil be radioactive?
And could it be that some countries recognise the fact that oil will run out someday (Saudi Arabia has been pumping saltwater from many of their wells instead of oil for a long time)?
If only some countries weren't so ignorant regarding the future of energy. I'm looking at you, U.S.A.
eddie van helsing: Every country should have nukes. After all, America is the only country who has actually used 'em.
When one country has nukes and sets one off it is using them. When more than one country has nukes and they are not set off, that is using them. Every country should have nukes because they are used successfully every day. Iran wants nukes because we (the US has a history of messing with Iran) would be less likely to mess with them if they could vaporize our troops. Everybody else near them should have nukes so Iran doesn't mess with them. If everybody can obliterate everybody, everybody wins.
When one country has nukes and sets one off it is using them. When more than one country has nukes and they are not set off, that is using them. Every country should have nukes because they are used successfully every day. Iran wants nukes because we (the US has a history of messing with Iran) would be less likely to mess with them if they could vaporize our troops. Everybody else near them should have nukes so Iran doesn't mess with them. If everybody can obliterate everybody, everybody wins.
kidneypi: If everybody can obliterate everybody, everybody wins.
War is just another game
Tailor made for the insane
But make a threat of their annihilation
And nobody wants to play
If that's the only thing that keeps the peace
Then thank God for the bomb...
/Ozzy
War is just another game
Tailor made for the insane
But make a threat of their annihilation
And nobody wants to play
If that's the only thing that keeps the peace
Then thank God for the bomb...
/Ozzy
kidneypi: When one country has nukes and sets one off it is using them. When more than one country has nukes and they are not set off, that is using them. Every country should have nukes because they are used successfully every day. Iran wants nukes because we (the US has a history of messing with Iran) would be less likely to mess with them if they could vaporize our troops. Everybody else near them should have nukes so Iran doesn't mess with them. If everybody can obliterate everybody, everybody wins.
Until you get a leader with a suicide mentality and an enemy that has been hated for the past millennium.
Nuclear proliferation only works when everybody is rational.
Until you get a leader with a suicide mentality and an enemy that has been hated for the past millennium.
Nuclear proliferation only works when everybody is rational.
I don't fear the country that wants an arsenal of nukes, I fear the country that wants just one.
Wait, I fear both scenarios when the country in question is a state sponsor of terrorism and repeatedly calls for wiping their enemies off the map.
Wait, I fear both scenarios when the country in question is a state sponsor of terrorism and repeatedly calls for wiping their enemies off the map.
Iran has offered several times to fully open their nuke program if Israel would do the same. Like that's going to happen.
l.darte: Iran has offered several times to fully open their nuke program if Israel would do the same. Like that's going to happen.
Israel does not have nukes. *waves hand*
Israel does not have nukes. *waves hand*
lunablue: Israel does not have nukes. *waves hand*
Israel has nukes for a mutually assured destruction pact with their neighbors. In the event that Israel is defeated in a military manner, you can expect a large parking lot.
Israel has nukes for a mutually assured destruction pact with their neighbors. In the event that Israel is defeated in a military manner, you can expect a large parking lot.
fuckyou: Israel has nukes for a mutually assured destruction pact with their neighbors. In the event that Israel is defeated in a military manner, you can expect a large parking lot.
So, if they didn't have them Iran wouldn't pursue them?
So, if they didn't have them Iran wouldn't pursue them?
f**kyou: Israel has nukes for a mutually assured destruction pact with their neighbors. In the event that Israel is defeated in a military manner, you can expect a large parking lot.
Yes, but can't you imagine the beauty of being Raptured up to Heaven?
*makes lemonade out of lemons*
Yes, but can't you imagine the beauty of being Raptured up to Heaven?
*makes lemonade out of lemons*
lunablue: So, if they didn't have them Iran wouldn't pursue them?
Did I say that? No. There are plenty of other countries that Iran has to be concerned with. Nuclear technology can be used for non-military purposes as well.
little hands of concrete: Yes, but can't you imagine the beauty of being Raptured up to Heaven?
*makes lemonade out of lemons*
Nope.
Did I say that? No. There are plenty of other countries that Iran has to be concerned with. Nuclear technology can be used for non-military purposes as well.
little hands of concrete: Yes, but can't you imagine the beauty of being Raptured up to Heaven?
*makes lemonade out of lemons*
Nope.
f**kyou: Did I say that? No. There are plenty of other countries that Iran has to be concerned with. Nuclear technology can be used for non-military purposes as well.
Nope.
What a negative ninny you are.
Nope.
What a negative ninny you are.
fuckyou: Did I say that? No. There are plenty of other countries that Iran has to be concerned with. Nuclear technology can be used for non-military purposes as well.
Not saying you did, just aksing. Iran has said that they are pursuing alternate uses (energy) for their nuke tech, but they appear to be moving beyond that purpose..
Not saying you did, just aksing. Iran has said that they are pursuing alternate uses (energy) for their nuke tech, but they appear to be moving beyond that purpose..
little hands of concrete: Yes, but can't you imagine the beauty of being Raptured up to Heaven?
*makes lemonade out of lemons*
This is an aspect of religion I don't get. If the purpose is to get to the promised land why not just go.
*makes lemonade out of lemons*
This is an aspect of religion I don't get. If the purpose is to get to the promised land why not just go.
little hands of concrete: What a negative ninny you are.
I'm not religious. Sue me.
lunablue: Not saying you did, just aksing. Iran has said that they are pursuing alternate uses (energy) for their nuke tech, but they appear to be moving beyond that purpose..
Which is to be expected. The first non-Israel Middle Eastern country with nukes will wield a lot more influence over the area.
I'm not religious. Sue me.
lunablue: Not saying you did, just aksing. Iran has said that they are pursuing alternate uses (energy) for their nuke tech, but they appear to be moving beyond that purpose..
Which is to be expected. The first non-Israel Middle Eastern country with nukes will wield a lot more influence over the area.
lunablue: This is an aspect of religion I don't get. If the purpose is to get to the promised land why not just go.
I think God has to ask you to go for you to end up in Heaven.
I think God has to ask you to go for you to end up in Heaven.
little hands of concrete: Yes, but can't you imagine the beauty of being Raptured up to Heaven?
*makes lemonade out of lemons*
ruptured up to heaven
*makes lemonade out of lemons*
ruptured up to heaven
fuckyou: Until you get a leader with a suicide mentality and an enemy that has been hated for the past millennium.
Nuclear proliferation only works when everybody is rational.
Milgram aside, I would expect someone in the chain of command to realize when the leader has gone crazy and refuse to follow. In the US, we have a system designed so that theoretically all lawful orders will be followed. It is every soldier's duty to disobey an unlawful order. WW2 was a special case where total war and dehumanization of the enemy led to mass homocide of civilians became acceptable, but I would hope that any attempt to do it again would be seen by the guys who actually have to press the button as being wrong. This should prevent first strikes.
I'm not just talking out of my ass on this. There was a guy in Russia whose name I can't remember right now, who prevented global catastrophe by realizing that if he followed the orders for the situation he was in, he could kill everyone. Russians could launch without direct orders from above if certain conditions were met. Those conditions were met because of a bug in the radar software, but he didn't know it was a bug. He disobeyed orders and didn't launch his nukes. The system that led to the standing orders that he disobeyed was insane and he recognized it.
Nuclear proliferation only works when everybody is rational.
Milgram aside, I would expect someone in the chain of command to realize when the leader has gone crazy and refuse to follow. In the US, we have a system designed so that theoretically all lawful orders will be followed. It is every soldier's duty to disobey an unlawful order. WW2 was a special case where total war and dehumanization of the enemy led to mass homocide of civilians became acceptable, but I would hope that any attempt to do it again would be seen by the guys who actually have to press the button as being wrong. This should prevent first strikes.
I'm not just talking out of my ass on this. There was a guy in Russia whose name I can't remember right now, who prevented global catastrophe by realizing that if he followed the orders for the situation he was in, he could kill everyone. Russians could launch without direct orders from above if certain conditions were met. Those conditions were met because of a bug in the radar software, but he didn't know it was a bug. He disobeyed orders and didn't launch his nukes. The system that led to the standing orders that he disobeyed was insane and he recognized it.
MUTUALLY ASSURED DESTRUCTION works pretty good as long as a nation's leader is not a sociopathic scoundrel.
Oh... wait!
Oh... wait!
swingingjohnson: MUTUALLY ASSURED DESTRUCTION works pretty good as long as a nation's leader is not a sociopathic scoundrel.
Don't you have to be a sociopathic scoundrel in order to be a nation's leader?
Don't you have to be a sociopathic scoundrel in order to be a nation's leader?
eddie van helsing: Don't you have to be a sociopathic scoundrel in order to be a nation's leader?
Can you be sociopathic and realize it? Does that cancel it out?
Can you be sociopathic and realize it? Does that cancel it out?
little hands of concrete: I think God has to ask you to go for you to end up in Heaven.
God speaks to them, right?
God speaks to them, right?
kidneypi: Milgram aside, I would expect someone in the chain of command to realize when the leader has gone crazy and refuse to follow. In the US, we have a system designed so that theoretically all lawful orders will be followed. It is every soldier's duty to disobey an unlawful order. WW2 was a special case where total war and dehumanization of the enemy led to mass homocide of civilians became acceptable, but I would hope that any attempt to do it again would be seen by the guys who actually have to press the button as being wrong. This should prevent first strikes.
I'm not just talking out of my ass on this. There was a guy in Russia whose name I can't remember right now, who prevented global catastrophe by realizing that if he followed the orders for the situation he was in, he could kill everyone. Russians could launch without direct orders from above if certain conditions were met. Those conditions were met because of a bug in the radar software, but he didn't know it was a bug. He disobeyed orders and didn't launch his nukes. The system that led to the standing orders that he disobeyed was insane and he recognized it.
I do know of the Russian who saved the world. One would hope that all the button pushers would have such prescience. However, I don't think that they do. And as it stands, most other nations don't have the capability to doom the world, only a fraction of it. They may not realize the much wider implications of their decision.
I'm not just talking out of my ass on this. There was a guy in Russia whose name I can't remember right now, who prevented global catastrophe by realizing that if he followed the orders for the situation he was in, he could kill everyone. Russians could launch without direct orders from above if certain conditions were met. Those conditions were met because of a bug in the radar software, but he didn't know it was a bug. He disobeyed orders and didn't launch his nukes. The system that led to the standing orders that he disobeyed was insane and he recognized it.
I do know of the Russian who saved the world. One would hope that all the button pushers would have such prescience. However, I don't think that they do. And as it stands, most other nations don't have the capability to doom the world, only a fraction of it. They may not realize the much wider implications of their decision.
lunablue: Can you be sociopathic and realize it? Does that cancel it out?
The correct term for a self-aware sociopath is "high functioning". I would know. I'm one myself.
The correct term for a self-aware sociopath is "high functioning". I would know. I'm one myself.
kidneypi: When one country has nukes and sets one off it is using them. When more than one country has nukes and they are not set off, that is using them. Every country should have nukes because they are used successfully every day. Iran wants nukes because we (the US has a history of messing with Iran) would be less likely to mess with them if they could vaporize our troops. Everybody else near them should have nukes so Iran doesn't mess with them. If everybody can obliterate everybody, everybody wins.
The United States and the Soviet Union both had more nuclear arms than they could count and still screwed with each other on a regular basis. Mutual annihilation lead to the development of sophisticated early warning systems and survivable storage facilities otherwise known as a second strike posture. As long as neither side was able to totally wipe out the nuclear forces of the other, neither side would use their weapons, ergo conventional forces would rule the day. Hence the deployment of the British Army of the Rhine, the United States 7th Army, V Corps & VII Corps, to Europe, as well as the Tank Armies of the Soviet Union to the Warsaw Pact. Hence the West German Bundeswehr maintained, IIRC, roughly twenty THOUSAND armored vehicles ranging from several thousand main battle tanks to over ten thousand Infantry Fighting Vehicles and Armored Personnel Carriers.
No, the real danger is a nuclear power that 1) can only afford a few weapons and 2) deploys said weapons in a manner that would not protect them from counter-force strikes. This creates a use it or lose it mentality that makes the actual use of said weapons much more likely. Couple that with a murky chain of command, an unstable government, and tensions/hostility with your immediate neighbors (meaning little time to discern if an attack is credible) and you have a disaster in the making.
The United States and the Soviet Union both had more nuclear arms than they could count and still screwed with each other on a regular basis. Mutual annihilation lead to the development of sophisticated early warning systems and survivable storage facilities otherwise known as a second strike posture. As long as neither side was able to totally wipe out the nuclear forces of the other, neither side would use their weapons, ergo conventional forces would rule the day. Hence the deployment of the British Army of the Rhine, the United States 7th Army, V Corps & VII Corps, to Europe, as well as the Tank Armies of the Soviet Union to the Warsaw Pact. Hence the West German Bundeswehr maintained, IIRC, roughly twenty THOUSAND armored vehicles ranging from several thousand main battle tanks to over ten thousand Infantry Fighting Vehicles and Armored Personnel Carriers.
No, the real danger is a nuclear power that 1) can only afford a few weapons and 2) deploys said weapons in a manner that would not protect them from counter-force strikes. This creates a use it or lose it mentality that makes the actual use of said weapons much more likely. Couple that with a murky chain of command, an unstable government, and tensions/hostility with your immediate neighbors (meaning little time to discern if an attack is credible) and you have a disaster in the making.
eddie van helsing: Don't you have to be a sociopathic scoundrel in order to be a nation's leader?
Not necessarily.
As far as the definition of "sociopath" goes, the USA never had a president that fits the definition as accurate as W.
Not necessarily.
As far as the definition of "sociopath" goes, the USA never had a president that fits the definition as accurate as W.
swingingjohnson: As far as the definition of "sociopath" goes, the USA never had a president that fits the definition as accurate as W.
Richard Nixon would like a word with you.
Richard Nixon would like a word with you.
swingingjohnson: As far as the definition of "sociopath" goes, the USA never had a president that fits the definition as accurate as W.
Andrew Jackson?
Andrew Jackson?
eddie van helsing: Richard Nixon would like a word with you.
Don't even insult Nixon like that.
Nixon threw himself on the sword before he threw the country on it.
Don't even insult Nixon like that.
Nixon threw himself on the sword before he threw the country on it.
swingingjohnson: Don't even insult Nixon like that.
Nixon threw himself on the sword before he threw the country on it.
Even so, people close to him weren't convinced, otherwise his Secretary of Defense wouldn't have ordered local military units to ignore any commands from Nixon that did not have the SecDef's approval.
Nixon threw himself on the sword before he threw the country on it.
Even so, people close to him weren't convinced, otherwise his Secretary of Defense wouldn't have ordered local military units to ignore any commands from Nixon that did not have the SecDef's approval.
devin172: Even so, people close to him weren't convinced, otherwise his Secretary of Defense wouldn't have ordered local military units to ignore any commands from Nixon that did not have the SecDef's approval.
Those were the days. When 1 misguided, disturbed person had some limits to his powers.
Those were the days. When 1 misguided, disturbed person had some limits to his powers.
swingingjohnson: Those were the days. When 1 misguided, disturbed person had some limits to his powers.
how many people have resigned because of bush's fuckups? I don't even know how to get a tally.
how many people have resigned because of bush's fuckups? I don't even know how to get a tally.
i found an incomplete list - didn't even see Colin Powell on there
- Attorney General Alberto Gonzales
- White House Press Secretary Tony Snow (cancer)
- White House Senior Political Adviser Karl Rove
- White House Counselor Dan Bartlett
- White House Budget Director Rob Portman
- White House Counsel Harriet Miers
- White House Political Director Sara Taylor
- White House Director of Strategic Initiatives Pete Wehner
- White House Deputy National Security Adviser J.D. Crouch
- Deputy Attorney General Paul McNulty
- Acting Associate Attorney General William Mercer
- Justice Department White House liaison Monica Goodling
- Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld
- Army Secretary Francis Harvey
- Joint Chief of Staffs Chairman Peter Pace
- Secretary of Veterans Affairs Jim Nicholson
- U.N. Ambassador John Bolton
- USAID Director Randall Tobias
- Attorney General Alberto Gonzales
- White House Press Secretary Tony Snow (cancer)
- White House Senior Political Adviser Karl Rove
- White House Counselor Dan Bartlett
- White House Budget Director Rob Portman
- White House Counsel Harriet Miers
- White House Political Director Sara Taylor
- White House Director of Strategic Initiatives Pete Wehner
- White House Deputy National Security Adviser J.D. Crouch
- Deputy Attorney General Paul McNulty
- Acting Associate Attorney General William Mercer
- Justice Department White House liaison Monica Goodling
- Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld
- Army Secretary Francis Harvey
- Joint Chief of Staffs Chairman Peter Pace
- Secretary of Veterans Affairs Jim Nicholson
- U.N. Ambassador John Bolton
- USAID Director Randall Tobias
mike_bolton: i found an incomplete list - didn't even see Colin Powell on there
- White House Press Secretary Tony Snow (cancer)
Bush gave him cancer? Damn, with friends like that...
- White House Press Secretary Tony Snow (cancer)
Bush gave him cancer? Damn, with friends like that...
i_c_weener: Bush gave him cancer? Damn, with friends like that...
No I think he meant that he was a cancer...which isn't a very nice thing to call someone.
No I think he meant that he was a cancer...which isn't a very nice thing to call someone.
fuckyou: I do know of the Russian who saved the world. One would hope that all the button pushers would have such prescience. However, I don't think that they do. And as it stands, most other nations don't have the capability to doom the world, only a fraction of it. They may not realize the much wider implications of their decision.
Any nation has the power to doom the world by pissing off a country that has the technical capability. Imagine if Andorra pissed off France to the point where France nuked Andorra (crazy situation, but crazy things do happen). If one country attacks another, others are likely to follow suit because the attention of the major powers would be spread out. If that happened, India might nuke Pakistan, China might nuke Taiwan, and with nukes flying around like crazy, the US and Russia might get involved. Something as simple as an assassination in a technological backwater country could lead to the world as we know it being destroyed. Imagine if WW1 started with today's level of technology.
Any nation has the power to doom the world by pissing off a country that has the technical capability. Imagine if Andorra pissed off France to the point where France nuked Andorra (crazy situation, but crazy things do happen). If one country attacks another, others are likely to follow suit because the attention of the major powers would be spread out. If that happened, India might nuke Pakistan, China might nuke Taiwan, and with nukes flying around like crazy, the US and Russia might get involved. Something as simple as an assassination in a technological backwater country could lead to the world as we know it being destroyed. Imagine if WW1 started with today's level of technology.
mike_bolton: i found an incomplete list - didn't even see Colin Powell on there
- Attorney General Alberto Gonzales
- White House Press Secretary Tony Snow (cancer)
- White House Senior Political Adviser Karl Rove
- White House Counselor Dan Bartlett
- White House Budget Director Rob Portman
- White House Counsel Harriet Miers
- White House Political Director Sara Taylor
- White House Director of Strategic Initiatives Pete Wehner
- White House Deputy National Security Adviser J.D. Crouch
- Deputy Attorney General Paul McNulty
- Acting Associate Attorney General William Mercer
- Justice Department White House liaison Monica Goodling
- Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld
- Army Secretary Francis Harvey
- Joint Chief of Staffs Chairman Peter Pace
- Secretary of Veterans Affairs Jim Nicholson
- U.N. Ambassador John Bolton
- USAID Director Randall Tobias
ADD TO THAT the whole platoons of FED ATTORNYS that got fired if any of them were found to have any integrity or scruples.
- Attorney General Alberto Gonzales
- White House Press Secretary Tony Snow (cancer)
- White House Senior Political Adviser Karl Rove
- White House Counselor Dan Bartlett
- White House Budget Director Rob Portman
- White House Counsel Harriet Miers
- White House Political Director Sara Taylor
- White House Director of Strategic Initiatives Pete Wehner
- White House Deputy National Security Adviser J.D. Crouch
- Deputy Attorney General Paul McNulty
- Acting Associate Attorney General William Mercer
- Justice Department White House liaison Monica Goodling
- Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld
- Army Secretary Francis Harvey
- Joint Chief of Staffs Chairman Peter Pace
- Secretary of Veterans Affairs Jim Nicholson
- U.N. Ambassador John Bolton
- USAID Director Randall Tobias
ADD TO THAT the whole platoons of FED ATTORNYS that got fired if any of them were found to have any integrity or scruples.
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