The teenager was approached by a police officer and told he was not allowed to use the word "cult" to describe Scientology
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Britain is ruled by pussies.
That's disturbing.
Another wrote: "I am a Brighton anon, and I am tempted to come to London next protest just so I can wave the largest CULT sign they have ever seen. I am a massive advocate of free speech."
Do you suppose he could get away with it, since there is nothing associating scientology with the word cult on his sign?
Do you suppose he could get away with it, since there is nothing associating scientology with the word cult on his sign?
What a bunch of cults those Brits are. Fuck them.
Im sure they could have used some awesome british slang.
good!
That whole fucking country, England, is turning in to an island of pod people.
And it's spreading over here too.
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And it's spreading over here too.
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flashlv: good!
You're right! Corruption in the police force is awesome! The only people who should have to follow laws are the ones that can't give expensive gifts to London's finest and London charities!
You're right! Corruption in the police force is awesome! The only people who should have to follow laws are the ones that can't give expensive gifts to London's finest and London charities!
Britain's a lot stricter about libel and slander than we are over here. The "I'll sue you in England!" meme references that. This could possibly be related to that--or perhaps the scientologists bought a police officer or two.
A scientologist once tried to make out with me.
quick1: Free speech is so over rated. Good thing that happened in Britain.
Kinda glad that, with the First Amendment, and a lengthy list of precedents, we have more traction to oppose these kind of stunts.
Kinda glad that, with the First Amendment, and a lengthy list of precedents, we have more traction to oppose these kind of stunts.
quick1: Free speech is so over rated. Good thing that happened in Britain.
Slander isn't protected under free speech is it?
Slander isn't protected under free speech is it?
muninsfire: Britain's a lot stricter about libel and slander than we are over here. The "I'll sue you in England!" meme references that. This could possibly be related to that--or perhaps the scientologists bought a police officer or two.
Key difference seems to be, in the United States, Free Speech means you can be a huge douchebag if that's what you want to do.
Can't imagine how jackoffs like Reverand Phelps would ever get away with what they do here if they were faced with the kind of statutes in play in Britain.
Key difference seems to be, in the United States, Free Speech means you can be a huge douchebag if that's what you want to do.
Can't imagine how jackoffs like Reverand Phelps would ever get away with what they do here if they were faced with the kind of statutes in play in Britain.
flashlv: Slander isn't protected under free speech is it?
For it to be slander someone needs to be named.
For it to be slander someone needs to be named.
flashlv: Slander isn't protected under free speech is it?
Calling a spade a spade isn't slander, it's honesty.
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Calling a spade a spade isn't slander, it's honesty.
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wushupork: Calling a spade a spade isn't slander, it's honesty.
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It's funny, since they aren't recognized as a religion in Britain, that this would be such a big deal. What is a cult but a religion jr.?
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It's funny, since they aren't recognized as a religion in Britain, that this would be such a big deal. What is a cult but a religion jr.?
flashlv: Slander isn't protected under free speech is it?
Whether or not something is slander is judged by courts, not police. Although Britain may be bass-akwards.
Whether or not something is slander is judged by courts, not police. Although Britain may be bass-akwards.
wushupork: Calling a spade a spade isn't slander, it's honesty.
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That's another thing, in the United States for defamation the plaintiff needs to demonstrate that the person defaming you knew the information was false or that it was published "with reckless disregard of whether it was false or not". Further, the Supreme Court dismissed claims for libel and forbade libel claims for statements that are so ridiculous to be clearly not true, or are involving opinionated subjects such as one's physical state of being.
Basically, it has to be a dispute over facts, with the defamer knowingly relying on false information.
tagged 'Scientology is a cult'
That's another thing, in the United States for defamation the plaintiff needs to demonstrate that the person defaming you knew the information was false or that it was published "with reckless disregard of whether it was false or not". Further, the Supreme Court dismissed claims for libel and forbade libel claims for statements that are so ridiculous to be clearly not true, or are involving opinionated subjects such as one's physical state of being.
Basically, it has to be a dispute over facts, with the defamer knowingly relying on false information.
quick1: Whether or not something is slander is judged by courts, not police. Although Britain may be bass-akwards.
You should tell that to FarvaLV's hero...
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You should tell that to FarvaLV's hero...
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Wow, England's laws are apparently made exclusively of wiggle words.
devin172:
Can't imagine how jackoffs like Reverand Phelps would ever get away with what they do here if they were faced with the kind of statutes in play in Britain.
Phelps would get slapped with an ASBO pretty quickly, I dare say--and because Britain does not have freedom of religion, he'd be unable to cite religious reasons for his statements.
Which means that his tirades against Norway are mistargetted: he should be slanging his way across to the other side of the North Sea.
Can't imagine how jackoffs like Reverand Phelps would ever get away with what they do here if they were faced with the kind of statutes in play in Britain.
Phelps would get slapped with an ASBO pretty quickly, I dare say--and because Britain does not have freedom of religion, he'd be unable to cite religious reasons for his statements.
Which means that his tirades against Norway are mistargetted: he should be slanging his way across to the other side of the North Sea.
So much for the First Amendment.
We should succeed from England.
muninsfire: Phelps would get slapped with an ASBO pretty quickly, I dare say--and because Britain does not have freedom of religion, he'd be unable to cite religious reasons for his statements.
Which means that his tirades against Norway are mistargetted: he should be slanging his way across to the other side of the North Sea.
It's really kind of depressing to go over the defamation laws of other Western states...even Canada has the burden of proof ass backwards (statements are assumed to be false unless the defendant can prove they are true).
Which means that his tirades against Norway are mistargetted: he should be slanging his way across to the other side of the North Sea.
It's really kind of depressing to go over the defamation laws of other Western states...even Canada has the burden of proof ass backwards (statements are assumed to be false unless the defendant can prove they are true).
devin172:
It's really kind of depressing to go over the defamation laws of other Western states...even Canada has the burden of proof ass backwards (statements are assumed to be false unless the defendant can prove they are true).
Defamation laws in general are usually pretty mixed up. I think it's because the aristocracy of any given country tends to be pretty snippy about what people say about them.
It's really kind of depressing to go over the defamation laws of other Western states...even Canada has the burden of proof ass backwards (statements are assumed to be false unless the defendant can prove they are true).
Defamation laws in general are usually pretty mixed up. I think it's because the aristocracy of any given country tends to be pretty snippy about what people say about them.
muninsfire: Britain doesn't have a first amendment.
devin172: United Kingdom...
...Please Insert 1st Amendment...
Everytime I say that, people always think I'm being serious. What's that law that states that sarcasm is impossble on the internet? Poe's Law? Or does Poe's Law only apply to fundies?
devin172: United Kingdom...
...Please Insert 1st Amendment...
Everytime I say that, people always think I'm being serious. What's that law that states that sarcasm is impossble on the internet? Poe's Law? Or does Poe's Law only apply to fundies?
quick1: Whether or not something is slander is judged by courts, not police. Although Britain may be bass-akwards.
This didn't happen in the US.
This didn't happen in the US.
flashlv: This didn't happen in the US.
Really? No fucking shit. I hadn't noticed, which is why I didn't put a disclaimer at the end of my post.
Really? No fucking shit. I hadn't noticed, which is why I didn't put a disclaimer at the end of my post.
szmike: Everytime I say that, people always think I'm being serious. What's that law that states that sarcasm is impossble on the internet? Poe's Law? Or does Poe's Law only apply to fundies?
I just wanted to use a meme and you provided the opportunity.
I just wanted to use a meme and you provided the opportunity.
quick1: Really? No fucking shit. I hadn't noticed, which is why I didn't put a disclaimer at the end of my post.
Then why bring up US law?
Then why bring up US law?
fuckyou: It's funny, since they aren't recognized as a religion in Britain, that this would be such a big deal. What is a cult but a religion jr.?
I'm not sure I see the difference between cult and religion in any case. Other than size.
I'm not sure I see the difference between cult and religion in any case. Other than size.
flashlv: Then why bring up US law?
We were discussing British law vis a vie American law regarding this subject.
We were discussing British law vis a vie American law regarding this subject.
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Son, it's time you get off the computer, you seem to be posting nonsense and attacking people again, we don't need you to break another monitor because you are a baby.
devin172: We were discussing British law vis a vie American law regarding this subject.
Not the conversation I was having.
Not the conversation I was having.
I put you on ignore, therefore you do not exist.
untrustworthy: DON'T IGNORE ME!
Life's too short to listen to FarvaLV. He adds nothing useful to any conversation. Just blather.
Life's too short to listen to FarvaLV. He adds nothing useful to any conversation. Just blather.
szmike: Everytime I say that, people always think I'm being serious. What's that law that states that sarcasm is impossble on the internet? Poe's Law? Or does Poe's Law only apply to fundies?
Britain doesn't have Poe's Law either.
Britain doesn't have Poe's Law either.
hell toupee: Life's too short to listen to FarvaLV. He adds nothing useful to any conversation. Just blather.
Meh. It brings some lulz sometimes.
Meh. It brings some lulz sometimes.
flashlv: Then why bring up US law?
You were asking whether slander was protected under free speech, which does not exist in Britain. If this event happened in America, police are not the judge of whether something is slander or not.
You were asking whether slander was protected under free speech, which does not exist in Britain. If this event happened in America, police are not the judge of whether something is slander or not.
flashlv: Slander isn't protected under free speech is it?
flashlv: Then why bring up US law?
Also, you were the first to reference American law by using the phrase "protected under free speech."
Since Britain lacks the concept of protected speech, as well as something akin to the Freedom of Speech Amendment, this was taken as a reference to American law.
flashlv: Then why bring up US law?
Also, you were the first to reference American law by using the phrase "protected under free speech."
Since Britain lacks the concept of protected speech, as well as something akin to the Freedom of Speech Amendment, this was taken as a reference to American law.
untrustworthy: Meh. It brings some lulz sometimes.
Meh, not really. I get more out of that crazy guy down at the corner who yells at the trashcans.
Meh, not really. I get more out of that crazy guy down at the corner who yells at the trashcans.
devin172: Also, you were the first to reference American law by using the phrase "protected under free speech."
Since Britain lacks the concept of protected speech, as well as something akin to the Freedom of Speech Amendment, this was taken as a reference to American law.
Well, whatever. All countries should adhere to the laws and the customs of the United States, it just makes sense.
Since Britain lacks the concept of protected speech, as well as something akin to the Freedom of Speech Amendment, this was taken as a reference to American law.
Well, whatever. All countries should adhere to the laws and the customs of the United States, it just makes sense.
flashlv: Not the conversation I was having.
That's funny, because that was the conversation you were having.
2008-05-20 09:37:56
Your words, chose carefully.
That's funny, because that was the conversation you were having.
2008-05-20 09:37:56
Your words, chose carefully.
errr choose.
hell toupee: Life's too short to listen to FarvaLV. He adds nothing useful to any conversation. Just blather.
Says the guy with alts who downvotes.
Says the guy with alts who downvotes.
devin172: That's funny, because that was the conversation you were having.
2008-05-20 09:37:56
Your words, chose carefully.
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Your words, chose carefully.
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devin172: Also, you were the first to reference American law by using the phrase "protected under free speech."
Since Britain lacks the concept of protected speech, as well as something akin to the Freedom of Speech Amendment, this was taken as a reference to American law.
I know Americans get very pissy about infringements on free speech, but I don't see as much outcry from the British. Is that purely perception or is there less concern there?
Since Britain lacks the concept of protected speech, as well as something akin to the Freedom of Speech Amendment, this was taken as a reference to American law.
I know Americans get very pissy about infringements on free speech, but I don't see as much outcry from the British. Is that purely perception or is there less concern there?
little hands of concrete: Well, whatever. All countries should adhere to the laws and the customs of the United States, it just makes sense.
Britain is halfway there already, what with their usage of a quaint dialect of American.
Britain is halfway there already, what with their usage of a quaint dialect of American.
hell toupee: Life's too short to listen to FarvaLV. He adds nothing useful to any conversation. Just blather.
blather, rinse, repeat
blather, rinse, repeat
quick1: You were asking whether slander was protected under free speech, which does not exist in Britain. If this event happened in America, police are not the judge of whether something is slander or not.
And no one said they were.
And no one said they were.
devin172: That's funny, because that was the conversation you were having.
2008-05-20 09:37:56
Your words, chose carefully.
Same difference.
2008-05-20 09:37:56
Your words, chose carefully.
Same difference.
little hands of concrete: All countries should adhere to the laws and the customs of the United States, it just makes sense.
Is that you, brazil?
Is that you, brazil?
quick1: Sounds like slander to me. Bake him away, toys.
last week he said he was downvoting my posts just because, but he never got a nancy, pretty pathetic if you ask me. Only a loser has last to downvote people.
last week he said he was downvoting my posts just because, but he never got a nancy, pretty pathetic if you ask me. Only a loser has last to downvote people.
flashlv: And no one said they were.
Which is why police in America would not be able to simply tell a guy like this to take down his sign. Maybe you should move to Britain, since you said that this action by the British police was "good!".
Which is why police in America would not be able to simply tell a guy like this to take down his sign. Maybe you should move to Britain, since you said that this action by the British police was "good!".
flashlv: Says the guy with alts who downvotes.
Like this one, downvoted by Hell Toupee, but his nancy never rises.
Like this one, downvoted by Hell Toupee, but his nancy never rises.
quick1: Which is why police in America would not be able to simply tell a guy like this to take down his sign. Maybe you should move to Britain, since you said that this action by the British police was "good!".
I really don't care, I dislike protesters more than the COS.
I really don't care, I dislike protesters more than the COS.
Scientology is a chav.
untrustworthy: I know Americans get very pissy about infringements on free speech, but I don't see as much outcry from the British. Is that purely perception or is there less concern there?
Purely an outsider's view based on interactions with British nationals and expats but they just don't seem that concerned about it. Which, I think, has something to do with differing views between Americans and Europeans regarding freedoms.
To some extent, Americans revel in what they CAN do, and, given the ability, will go out of their way to do things they normally wouldn't purely because they can. Hence, the impulse to be a huge douchebag if one perceives another is attempting to infringe on your rights of expression. Alternatively, the drive of many others to own firearms in response to pressures from control advocates that wish to limit that right.
The Brits I've interacted with don't really pay much heed to the issue purely because they don't think it affects them, they don't plan on making such statements, so why bother.
Purely an outsider's view based on interactions with British nationals and expats but they just don't seem that concerned about it. Which, I think, has something to do with differing views between Americans and Europeans regarding freedoms.
To some extent, Americans revel in what they CAN do, and, given the ability, will go out of their way to do things they normally wouldn't purely because they can. Hence, the impulse to be a huge douchebag if one perceives another is attempting to infringe on your rights of expression. Alternatively, the drive of many others to own firearms in response to pressures from control advocates that wish to limit that right.
The Brits I've interacted with don't really pay much heed to the issue purely because they don't think it affects them, they don't plan on making such statements, so why bother.
flashlv: I really don't care, I dislike protesters more than the COS.
Which is why I say you should move to Britain. Then it will be less likely you will be faced with any uncomfortable speech.
Which is why I say you should move to Britain. Then it will be less likely you will be faced with any uncomfortable speech.
flashlv: I really don't care, I dislike protesters more than the COS.
The American Revolution would like to have a word with you.
The American Revolution would like to have a word with you.
little hands of concrete: The American Revolution would like to have a word with you.
Hippies who destroyed property by dumping it into a river? They should have been locked up.
Hippies who destroyed property by dumping it into a river? They should have been locked up.
flashlv: I really don't care, I dislike protesters more than the COS.
Let's see how long that lasts once a Democrat is elected and your tax rate jumps.
/as it should
Let's see how long that lasts once a Democrat is elected and your tax rate jumps.
/as it should
flashlv: I really don't care, I dislike protesters more than the COS.
lol, you dislike 'protesters' in general? Ok Hitler.
lol, you dislike 'protesters' in general? Ok Hitler.
quick1: Hippies who destroyed property by dumping it into a river? They should have been locked up.
You know, quite a lot of the tension/friction between Loyalists and Patriots in the run-up to the war was driven by libelous statements among other things.
You know, quite a lot of the tension/friction between Loyalists and Patriots in the run-up to the war was driven by libelous statements among other things.
quick1: Which is why I say you should move to Britain. Then it will be less likely you will be faced with any uncomfortable speech.
I care about harassment.
I care about harassment.
devin172: Purely an outsider's view based on interactions with British nationals and expats but they just don't seem that concerned about it. Which, I think, has something to do with differing views between Americans and Europeans regarding freedoms.
Hmm... Interesting.
To some extent, Americans revel in what they CAN do, and, given the ability, will go out of their way to do things they normally wouldn't purely because they can. Hence, the impulse to be a huge douchebag if one perceives another is attempting to infringe on your rights of expression. Alternatively, the drive of many others to own firearms in response to pressures from control advocates that wish to limit that right.
Makes some sense I guess.
The Brits I've interacted with don't really pay much heed to the issue purely because they don't think it affects them, they don't plan on making such statements, so why bother.
Well then that feeds into my belief that British style government is fine for the British, but not for the US. And vice versa. The US was born out of the concept of liberty and freedom, whereas we separated from that of a far more controlling government. So I'm guessing that the mentalities have survived through the years and it's a simple matter of different strokes for different folks.
Hmm... Interesting.
To some extent, Americans revel in what they CAN do, and, given the ability, will go out of their way to do things they normally wouldn't purely because they can. Hence, the impulse to be a huge douchebag if one perceives another is attempting to infringe on your rights of expression. Alternatively, the drive of many others to own firearms in response to pressures from control advocates that wish to limit that right.
Makes some sense I guess.
The Brits I've interacted with don't really pay much heed to the issue purely because they don't think it affects them, they don't plan on making such statements, so why bother.
Well then that feeds into my belief that British style government is fine for the British, but not for the US. And vice versa. The US was born out of the concept of liberty and freedom, whereas we separated from that of a far more controlling government. So I'm guessing that the mentalities have survived through the years and it's a simple matter of different strokes for different folks.
little hands of concrete: The American Revolution would like to have a word with you.
Big difference, there was a point behind the American Revolution, protesters of COS just want to belong to something against something, they don't even really care. That's my problem with them.
Big difference, there was a point behind the American Revolution, protesters of COS just want to belong to something against something, they don't even really care. That's my problem with them.
devin172: Let's see how long that lasts once a Democrat is elected and your tax rate jumps.
/as it should
Should? Why should it? Cutting waste would be much better, but it's hard so that won't happen.
/as it should
Should? Why should it? Cutting waste would be much better, but it's hard so that won't happen.
flashlv: Like this one, downvoted by Hell Toupee, but his nancy never rises.
don't go meat!
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don't go meat!
tagged as meat
flashlv: Big difference, there was a point behind the American Revolution, protesters of COS just want to belong to something against something, they don't even really care. That's my problem with them.
Proof?
Proof?
snoops: lol, you dislike 'protesters' in general? Ok Hitler.
I dislike people who protest just to protest and really don't care for the cause they are protesting for.
I have the right to dislike people, I choose to dislike groups of people who have a tendency to riot and harass.
I dislike people who protest just to protest and really don't care for the cause they are protesting for.
I have the right to dislike people, I choose to dislike groups of people who have a tendency to riot and harass.
flashlv: Big difference, there was a point behind the American Revolution, protesters of COS just want to belong to something against something, they don't even really care. That's my problem with them.
oh ... maybe you should tell them then. It might save a lot time.
oh ... maybe you should tell them then. It might save a lot time.
flashlv: I have as much proof as you do about the cop lying on his report.
I had a signed police report. You offer nothing but conjecture. If people didn't "care" about protesting Scientology, there wouldn't be websites dedicated to the reasons behind it.
I had a signed police report. You offer nothing but conjecture. If people didn't "care" about protesting Scientology, there wouldn't be websites dedicated to the reasons behind it.
flashlv:
protesters of COS just want to belong to something against something
Not necessarily true. For some, perhaps--but for others, they see a deep-seated injustice being perpetrated and wish to stop it.
protesters of COS just want to belong to something against something
Not necessarily true. For some, perhaps--but for others, they see a deep-seated injustice being perpetrated and wish to stop it.
flashlv: Big difference, there was a point behind the American Revolution, protesters of COS just want to belong to something against something, they don't even really care. That's my problem with them.
I think they have a point. Scientology is seen as a dangerous scam by many, and their lack of transparency of practices raises some red flags.
I think they have a point. Scientology is seen as a dangerous scam by many, and their lack of transparency of practices raises some red flags.
flashlv: I dislike people who protest just to protest and really don't care for the cause they are protesting for.
I have the right to dislike people, I choose to dislike groups of people who have a tendency to riot and harass.
So you also must hate any sports fan.
I have the right to dislike people, I choose to dislike groups of people who have a tendency to riot and harass.
So you also must hate any sports fan.
flashlv: I dislike people who protest just to protest and really don't care for the cause they are protesting for.
I have the right to dislike people, I choose to dislike groups of people who have a tendency to riot and harass.
The Gunta of Myanmar would love to have you for a citizen. How long will it take for you to pack your bags?
I have the right to dislike people, I choose to dislike groups of people who have a tendency to riot and harass.
The Gunta of Myanmar would love to have you for a citizen. How long will it take for you to pack your bags?
quick1: I had a signed police report. You offer nothing but conjecture. If people didn't "care" about protesting Scientology, there wouldn't be websites dedicated to the reasons behind it.
You have nothing to prove intent. That's what you need, and that's not possible, so it's just your opinion.
You have nothing to prove intent. That's what you need, and that's not possible, so it's just your opinion.
flashlv: Should? Why should it? Cutting waste would be much better, but it's hard so that won't happen.
If cutting waste is such a good idea, why haven't the (R)'s done it for the last 8 years?
If cutting waste is such a good idea, why haven't the (R)'s done it for the last 8 years?
flashlv: I dislike people who protest just to protest and really don't care for the cause they are protesting for.
I have the right to dislike people, I choose to dislike groups of people who have a tendency to riot and harass.
Where is your proof that they don't care about their cause?
I have the right to dislike people, I choose to dislike groups of people who have a tendency to riot and harass.
Where is your proof that they don't care about their cause?
muninsfire: Not necessarily true. For some, perhaps--but for others, they see a deep-seated injustice being perpetrated and wish to stop it.
I look at it differently. If they cared, they wouldn't be sitting around singing Will Smith songs and wearing masks.
If they wanted to be taken seriously they also wouldn't break the law by committing crimes like denial of service attacks.
I look at it differently. If they cared, they wouldn't be sitting around singing Will Smith songs and wearing masks.
If they wanted to be taken seriously they also wouldn't break the law by committing crimes like denial of service attacks.
flashlv: You have nothing to prove intent. That's what you need, and that's not possible, so it's just your opinion.
Lying doesn't need intent to be proved.
See: Perjury.
Lying doesn't need intent to be proved.
See: Perjury.
sunofsam: Seriously, when are you people going to learn?
He's honest. I don't think he's trolling. Some people are just born fascist.
He's honest. I don't think he's trolling. Some people are just born fascist.
untrustworthy: I think they have a point. Scientology is seen as a dangerous scam by many, and their lack of transparency of practices raises some red flags.
It's no different than some other religions, but yet we don't see them saying or doing anything about them.
It would be like PETA only caring about what KFC does and ignoring all other related things.
It's no different than some other religions, but yet we don't see them saying or doing anything about them.
It would be like PETA only caring about what KFC does and ignoring all other related things.
snoops: So you also must hate any sports fan.
I hate any sports fan that is rooting for the team against my team at the time.
I hate any sports fan that is rooting for the team against my team at the time.
flashlv: It's no different than some other religions, but yet we don't see them saying or doing anything about them.
It would be like PETA only caring about what KFC does and ignoring all other related things.
Is PETA campaigning to end global warming?
It would be like PETA only caring about what KFC does and ignoring all other related things.
Is PETA campaigning to end global warming?
notsuebhoney: If cutting waste is such a good idea, why haven't the (R)'s done it for the last 8 years?
They have though.
They have though.
notsuebhoney: Where is your proof that they don't care about their cause?
Watch the videos, it's a big party to them.
Watch the videos, it's a big party to them.