One in eight U.S. high school teachers presents creationism as a valid alternative to evolution, critical thought
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Those teachers are simply in the wrong classroom. They should be teaching mythology.
Jesus Christ.
untrustworthy: Those teachers are simply in the wrong classroom. They should be teaching Sunday School.
FTFY
FTFY
Hooray for stupid!
jin verde: FTFY
Does Sunday School teach intelligent design? I thought they just purely taught the Bible's version of creation.
Does Sunday School teach intelligent design? I thought they just purely taught the Bible's version of creation.
untrustworthy:
Those teachers are simply in the wrong classroom. They should be teaching mythology.
Something like that. I realize that creationism is a central tenet to some (very sad) people's faith, but no matter how you package it, it's not science.
Science is the study of the natural world. God, in whatever form, is supernatural, and is thus not something that science can address--and as such, should not be discussed in a science class.
Those teachers are simply in the wrong classroom. They should be teaching mythology.
Something like that. I realize that creationism is a central tenet to some (very sad) people's faith, but no matter how you package it, it's not science.
Science is the study of the natural world. God, in whatever form, is supernatural, and is thus not something that science can address--and as such, should not be discussed in a science class.
untrustworthy: Does Sunday School teach intelligent design? I thought they just purely taught the Bible's version of creation.
Some Sunday school teachers probably do. I was taught that dinosaurs were part of the Devil's spawn that got killed in the Flood and that Satan fixed the sedimentary rocks to make it look like the Earth was older. It's not like they have some sort of specified curriculum other than don't teach Darwinian evolution.
Some Sunday school teachers probably do. I was taught that dinosaurs were part of the Devil's spawn that got killed in the Flood and that Satan fixed the sedimentary rocks to make it look like the Earth was older. It's not like they have some sort of specified curriculum other than don't teach Darwinian evolution.
untrustworthy: Those teachers are simply in the wrong classroom. They should be not teaching .
jin verde: FTFY
FIFY
jin verde: FTFY
FIFY
muninsfire: Something like that. I realize that creationism is a central tenet to some (very sad) people's faith, but no matter how you package it, it's not science.
Science is the study of the natural world. God, in whatever form, is supernatural, and is thus not something that science can address--and as such, should not be discussed in a science class.
They can bring Jesus up in philosophy, if they want. And the Bible in mythology. I don't understand why they even want it to be in a science class. It doesn't fit at all. If anything, it would only serve to cheapen their own religion.
Unless people think they can measure God in a test tube or something.
Science is the study of the natural world. God, in whatever form, is supernatural, and is thus not something that science can address--and as such, should not be discussed in a science class.
They can bring Jesus up in philosophy, if they want. And the Bible in mythology. I don't understand why they even want it to be in a science class. It doesn't fit at all. If anything, it would only serve to cheapen their own religion.
Unless people think they can measure God in a test tube or something.
untrustworthy:
If anything, it would only serve to cheapen their own religion.
Unless people think they can measure God in a test tube or something.
That's the thing. They may claim they believe, but they seem to want some kind of tangible proof--they're always looking around for miracles and whatnot.
's not really 'faith' when you need miraculous healings to confirm your belief.
If anything, it would only serve to cheapen their own religion.
Unless people think they can measure God in a test tube or something.
That's the thing. They may claim they believe, but they seem to want some kind of tangible proof--they're always looking around for miracles and whatnot.
's not really 'faith' when you need miraculous healings to confirm your belief.
untrustworthy: Unless people think they can measure God in a test tube or something.
"God was a test tube baby" would make for a great album name.
"God was a test tube baby" would make for a great album name.
untrustworthy: They can bring Jesus up in philosophy, if they want. And the Bible in mythology. I don't understand why they even want it to be in a science class. It doesn't fit at all. If anything, it would only serve to cheapen their own religion.
Unless people think they can measure God in a test tube or something.
Fundies don't see this as cheapening their religion - if they save even one soul, they're justified. It's very Machiavellian - "The ends justify the means." Religious people want everyone to reap the rewards of their version of heaven. More people for their narrow-minded version of God and Spiritual Advisors on Earth to control and mind fuck.
Unless people think they can measure God in a test tube or something.
Fundies don't see this as cheapening their religion - if they save even one soul, they're justified. It's very Machiavellian - "The ends justify the means." Religious people want everyone to reap the rewards of their version of heaven. More people for their narrow-minded version of God and Spiritual Advisors on Earth to control and mind fuck.
untrustworthy: Unless people think they can measure God in a test tube or something.
They should know better than to claim that the existence of God can be proved by scientific means. It can't, and probably will never be possible to prove the existence of the God of Abraham empirically. If believers accept that God must be taken on faith, then the only question is whether or not faith is justified.
They should know better than to claim that the existence of God can be proved by scientific means. It can't, and probably will never be possible to prove the existence of the God of Abraham empirically. If believers accept that God must be taken on faith, then the only question is whether or not faith is justified.
muninsfire: That's the thing. They may claim they believe, but they seem to want some kind of tangible proof--they're always looking around for miracles and whatnot.
's not really 'faith' when you need miraculous healings to confirm your belief.
Exactly. They forget that they don't HAVE to prove anything. Nobody is denying them their faith.
's not really 'faith' when you need miraculous healings to confirm your belief.
Exactly. They forget that they don't HAVE to prove anything. Nobody is denying them their faith.
kesshi: "God was a test tube baby" would make for a great album name.
It could be followed up with "Mary was impregnated with a turkey baster" as a special holiday album.
It could be followed up with "Mary was impregnated with a turkey baster" as a special holiday album.
If there was a global flood, and all humans and animals spread out from the Middle East, why didn't the Native Americans bring horses, cows and chickens with them?
Why did they bother bringing rattlesnakes, tree sloths and gila monsters?
And why didn't the people in Eurasia keep vital crops like corn and potatoes around?
Why did they bother bringing rattlesnakes, tree sloths and gila monsters?
And why didn't the people in Eurasia keep vital crops like corn and potatoes around?
untrustworthy:
Exactly. They forget that they don't HAVE to prove anything. Nobody is denying them their faith.
Thing is, though, that they also believe that everyone else must believe as they do. That's where the sticky point is. Because they do not believe that science is a valid explanation for the universe, they believe that they must teach their ineffable truth--and as such, you end up with demands for creationism in the science classroom.
Exactly. They forget that they don't HAVE to prove anything. Nobody is denying them their faith.
Thing is, though, that they also believe that everyone else must believe as they do. That's where the sticky point is. Because they do not believe that science is a valid explanation for the universe, they believe that they must teach their ineffable truth--and as such, you end up with demands for creationism in the science classroom.
The dumbing down of the U.S. continues.
On the upside, it's good to have a pool of unthinking morons to do the work that the illegals won't do, or can't do because of laws.
On the upside, it's good to have a pool of unthinking morons to do the work that the illegals won't do, or can't do because of laws.
jin verde: It could be followed up with "Mary was impregnated with a turkey baster" as a special holiday album.
And lets not forget "I took Satan to a pleasure party"
And lets not forget "I took Satan to a pleasure party"
elchip:
And why didn't the people in Eurasia keep vital crops like corn and potatoes around?
So as to set up artificial scarcities for later, when trade would be developed and the people would have something to trade for.
And why didn't the people in Eurasia keep vital crops like corn and potatoes around?
So as to set up artificial scarcities for later, when trade would be developed and the people would have something to trade for.
totalsecurity:
On the upside, it's good to have a pool of unthinking morons to do the work that the illegals won't do, or can't do because of laws.
On the downside, it depresses wages.
On the upside, it's good to have a pool of unthinking morons to do the work that the illegals won't do, or can't do because of laws.
On the downside, it depresses wages.
totalsecurity: The dumbing down of the U.S. continues.
On the upside, it's good to have a pool of unthinking morons to do the work that the illegals won't do, or can't do because of laws.
Doesn't matter. India and China will take all the outsourced jobs.
On the upside, it's good to have a pool of unthinking morons to do the work that the illegals won't do, or can't do because of laws.
Doesn't matter. India and China will take all the outsourced jobs.
muninsfire: Thing is, though, that they also believe that everyone else must believe as they do. That's where the sticky point is. Because they do not believe that science is a valid explanation for the universe, they believe that they must teach their ineffable truth--and as such, you end up with demands for creationism in the science classroom.
I think it's very simple to understand that science and religion needn't contradict each other necessarily.
Science can have the "how" and religion can have the "why." The two are not mutually exclusive.
I think it's very simple to understand that science and religion needn't contradict each other necessarily.
Science can have the "how" and religion can have the "why." The two are not mutually exclusive.
elchip: If there was a global flood, and all humans and animals spread out from the Middle East, why didn't the Native Americans bring horses, cows and chickens with them?
Why did they bother bringing rattlesnakes, tree sloths and gila monsters?
And why didn't the people in Eurasia keep vital crops like corn and potatoes around?
If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a Merry Christmas!
Why did they bother bringing rattlesnakes, tree sloths and gila monsters?
And why didn't the people in Eurasia keep vital crops like corn and potatoes around?
If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a Merry Christmas!
totalsecurity: The dumbing down of the U.S. continues.
On the upside, it's good to have a pool of unthinking morons to do the work that the illegals won't do, or can't do because of laws.
Religion is a tool that can run a population in sync. Except it's not working as well in the technological era.
On the upside, it's good to have a pool of unthinking morons to do the work that the illegals won't do, or can't do because of laws.
Religion is a tool that can run a population in sync. Except it's not working as well in the technological era.
untrustworthy:
I think it's very simple to understand that science and religion needn't contradict each other necessarily.
Science can have the "how" and religion can have the "why." The two are not mutually exclusive.
That would require people to be rational about religion.
I think it's very simple to understand that science and religion needn't contradict each other necessarily.
Science can have the "how" and religion can have the "why." The two are not mutually exclusive.
That would require people to be rational about religion.
untrustworthy: Science can have the "how" and religion can have the "why." The two are not mutually exclusive.
Please don't confuse religion with philosophy.
Please don't confuse religion with philosophy.
untrustworthy: Science can have the "how" and religion can have the "why." The two are not mutually exclusive.
They are when the "why" also includes "how" and directly contradicts science.
They are when the "why" also includes "how" and directly contradicts science.
snoops: Religion is a tool that can run a population in sync. Except it's not working as well in the technological era.
What makes you think that a population should be made to run in sync?
What makes you think that a population should be made to run in sync?
muninsfire: On the downside, it depresses wages.
The less unskilled laborers earn, the more I pocket.
Soon it will be cheaper to pay laborers to mine my property by hand instead of using machines.
That right there is an upside for me, and for the places I spend my money.
The less unskilled laborers earn, the more I pocket.
Soon it will be cheaper to pay laborers to mine my property by hand instead of using machines.
That right there is an upside for me, and for the places I spend my money.
snoops: Religion is a tool that can run a population in sync. Except it's not working as well in the technological era.
Well duh, the discovery of Mass Media obsoletes the Apostolic Palace, and with the discovery of Computers obsoletes the Angkor Wat. We're well past both of those.
\CivIV joke
Well duh, the discovery of Mass Media obsoletes the Apostolic Palace, and with the discovery of Computers obsoletes the Angkor Wat. We're well past both of those.
\CivIV joke
jin verde: Doesn't matter. India and China will take all the outsourced jobs.
And then re-outsource them.
And then re-outsource them.
kesshi: And lets not forget "I took Satan to a pleasure party"
And for the Passover/Easter crowd, "Child sacrifice: paying for the people's sins" rocks!
And for the Passover/Easter crowd, "Child sacrifice: paying for the people's sins" rocks!
untrustworthy: Does Sunday School teach intelligent design? I thought they just purely taught the Bible's version of creation.
That is the argument I keep putting forth. If teachers can teach creationism in public schools, then evolutionists should be allowed to teach evolution in the churches. :)
That is the argument I keep putting forth. If teachers can teach creationism in public schools, then evolutionists should be allowed to teach evolution in the churches. :)
jin verde: And for the Passover/Easter crowd, "Child sacrifice: paying for the people's sins" rocks!
"Easter eggs hidden inside of a virgin named Mary"
"Easter eggs hidden inside of a virgin named Mary"
kesshi: "Easter eggs hidden inside of a virgin named Mary"
Holy Mary, Blessed Cumdumpster, the Lord art with thee...
Holy Mary, Blessed Cumdumpster, the Lord art with thee...
untrustworthy: They can bring Jesus up in philosophy, if they want. And the Bible in mythology. I don't understand why they even want it to be in a science class. It doesn't fit at all. If anything, it would only serve to cheapen their own religion.
It can't be subjected to the scientific method. So how it is a competitor to scientific theories, much less taught in, science classes is beyond me.
It can't be subjected to the scientific method. So how it is a competitor to scientific theories, much less taught in, science classes is beyond me.
kesshi: "Easter eggs hidden inside of a virgin named Mary"
I hope they weren't those Cadbury eggs...crippling sugar rush.
I hope they weren't those Cadbury eggs...crippling sugar rush.
devin172: It can't be subjected to the scientific method. So how it is a competitor to scientific theories, much less taught in, science classes is beyond me.
Because it's "unfair" to exclude a hypothesis just because it can't be falsified.
Because it's "unfair" to exclude a hypothesis just because it can't be falsified.
Funny, they'll send home a paper from school making you sign saying they can teach your child evolution, but they never send one home asking a parent to sign allowing them to teach the child creationism.
Thank god my son goes to a school where science only is taught. Our district leaves creationism where it should be, in the churches.
Thank god my son goes to a school where science only is taught. Our district leaves creationism where it should be, in the churches.
eddie van helsing: Because it's "unfair" to exclude a hypothesis just because it can't be falsified...
...or proven, demonstrated, modeled, illustrated, tested...
...or proven, demonstrated, modeled, illustrated, tested...
devin172: It can't be subjected to the scientific method. So how it is a competitor to scientific theories, much less taught in, science classes is beyond me.
No kidding. It's like trying to argue that physics should be taught in art class. Makey-no-sensey.
No kidding. It's like trying to argue that physics should be taught in art class. Makey-no-sensey.
devin172: ...or proven, demonstrated, modeled, illustrated, tested...
Please don't get me started. I'm trying to be reasonable today, instead of spewing anti-Christian rage poop.
Please don't get me started. I'm trying to be reasonable today, instead of spewing anti-Christian rage poop.
eddie van helsing: Please don't get me started. I'm trying to be reasonable today, instead of spewing anti-Christian rage poop.
*Blows out match*
No problem dude.
*Blows out match*
No problem dude.
untrustworthy:
Makey-no-sensey
Heh, my first impression of that was "Monkey-no-sensey", which I guess was probably influenced by the general suggestion of this thread's underlying theme.
Makey-no-sensey
Heh, my first impression of that was "Monkey-no-sensey", which I guess was probably influenced by the general suggestion of this thread's underlying theme.
jin verde: Some Sunday school teachers probably do. I was taught that dinosaurs were part of the Devil's spawn that got killed in the Flood and that Satan fixed the sedimentary rocks to make it look like the Earth was older. It's not like they have some sort of specified curriculum other than don't teach Darwinian evolution.
You know I really did fix the sedimentary rocks.
Now all I have to do is relax and watch my plan unfold!
You know I really did fix the sedimentary rocks.
Now all I have to do is relax and watch my plan unfold!
And we open TFA with:
...32 percent agreed that creationism and intelligent design should be taught as scientifically unsound. Forty percent said such explanations are religiously valid but inappropriate for science class.
...parsing. -1
...32 percent agreed that creationism and intelligent design should be taught as scientifically unsound. Forty percent said such explanations are religiously valid but inappropriate for science class.
...parsing. -1
untrustworthy: I think it's very simple to understand that science and religion needn't contradict each other necessarily.
Science can have the "how" and religion can have the "why." The two are not mutually exclusive.
It's very simple to understand that if a religious text clearly outlines the "how" then it's followers will need to deny contradictions.
Generically religion doesn't conflict with science but in reality it does. The only alternative for christians is to believe that the bible is at least partly metaphorical (which they already do but shhhhh dont tell them) which obviously opens up a whole can of worms.
Science can have the "how" and religion can have the "why." The two are not mutually exclusive.
It's very simple to understand that if a religious text clearly outlines the "how" then it's followers will need to deny contradictions.
Generically religion doesn't conflict with science but in reality it does. The only alternative for christians is to believe that the bible is at least partly metaphorical (which they already do but shhhhh dont tell them) which obviously opens up a whole can of worms.
jin verde: FTFY
I got my classroom evaluations back this semester. Generally good, but one environmental conservation student wrote that I presented "false facts". Guess what those were?
I got my classroom evaluations back this semester. Generally good, but one environmental conservation student wrote that I presented "false facts". Guess what those were?
killozap007: I got my classroom evaluations back this semester. Generally good, but one environmental conservation student wrote that I presented "false facts". Guess what those were?
Those types of "environmental conservation" students scare me. A lot of times they've failed out of the biology major for various reasons - can't handle math, deal with real chemistry and biology classes, don't believe in evolution, etc.. I saw that at University of Oregon in the classes I TA'd. I recall teaching a stats class and needing to teach how to take an average. I mean really, you've got to be freaking kidding me, but no they didn't have to take math or science in high school wherever they came from. Wow. Just wow.
Those types of "environmental conservation" students scare me. A lot of times they've failed out of the biology major for various reasons - can't handle math, deal with real chemistry and biology classes, don't believe in evolution, etc.. I saw that at University of Oregon in the classes I TA'd. I recall teaching a stats class and needing to teach how to take an average. I mean really, you've got to be freaking kidding me, but no they didn't have to take math or science in high school wherever they came from. Wow. Just wow.
jin verde: Those types of "environmental conservation" students scare me. A lot of times they've failed out of the biology major for various reasons - can't handle math, deal with real chemistry and biology classes, don't believe in evolution, etc.. I saw that at University of Oregon in the classes I TA'd. I recall teaching a stats class and needing to teach how to take an average. I mean really, you've got to be freaking kidding me, but no they didn't have to take math or science in high school wherever they came from. Wow. Just wow.
I suck at that kind of math, but even I know how to take an average :\
I suck at that kind of math, but even I know how to take an average :\
jin verde: Those types of "environmental conservation" students scare me. A lot of times they've failed out of the biology major for various reasons - can't handle math, deal with real chemistry and biology classes, don't believe in evolution, etc.. I saw that at University of Oregon in the classes I TA'd. I recall teaching a stats class and needing to teach how to take an average. I mean really, you've got to be freaking kidding me, but no they didn't have to take math or science in high school wherever they came from. Wow. Just wow.
I get a bunch of ed majors - 20% is great, 80% is abysmal.
A few engineering majors take it too. They are surprisingly obstinate. One of them wrote the Amazon should be paved into a parking lot, because look at how the US has solved all its environmental problems after improving the economy.
Then you have the Geography majors. The wash outs think Geography sits somewhere between the sciences and humanities, and so they'd get in and be pains in our asses. Only 50% of the geo majors are actually good. We need to up the GPA requirement.
I get a bunch of ed majors - 20% is great, 80% is abysmal.
A few engineering majors take it too. They are surprisingly obstinate. One of them wrote the Amazon should be paved into a parking lot, because look at how the US has solved all its environmental problems after improving the economy.
Then you have the Geography majors. The wash outs think Geography sits somewhere between the sciences and humanities, and so they'd get in and be pains in our asses. Only 50% of the geo majors are actually good. We need to up the GPA requirement.
killozap007: We need to up the GPA requirement.
I think it should be harder to get into college, and employers shouldn't be demanding a bachelor's degree for every single little fucking job.
I think it should be harder to get into college, and employers shouldn't be demanding a bachelor's degree for every single little fucking job.
eddie van helsing: I think it should be harder to get into college, and employers shouldn't be demanding a bachelor's degree for every single little fucking job.
Colleges need to bring in students and revenue too. Already undergraduate colleges are looking outside the country to recruit more students (This used to be typically a grad school realm)
Colleges need to bring in students and revenue too. Already undergraduate colleges are looking outside the country to recruit more students (This used to be typically a grad school realm)
killozap007: Colleges need to bring in students and revenue too.
Not our problem. There's no reason why most of these 'colleges' can't also get students and revenue if they focus on vocational training. Hell, most of the 'colleges' I see advertised are nothing but glorified technical schools.
Not our problem. There's no reason why most of these 'colleges' can't also get students and revenue if they focus on vocational training. Hell, most of the 'colleges' I see advertised are nothing but glorified technical schools.
eddie van helsing: Not our problem. There's no reason why most of these 'colleges' can't also get students and revenue if they focus on vocational training. Hell, most of the 'colleges' I see advertised are nothing but glorified technical schools.
Our?
Our?
eddie van helsing: I think it should be harder to get into college, and employers shouldn't be demanding a bachelor's degree for every single little fucking job.
This is so true on both counts.
This is so true on both counts.
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