The least eco-minded city in the world. New York? No, guess again. Boston? Not even close. L.A.? Pfft. Tokyo? DINGDINGDING! We have a winnar!
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They're only more honest about it.
fark: They're only more honest about it.
And they ask a good question. Why should I give up my creature comforts for what could be a bogus issue whipped up by government scientists looking for grant money and politicians looking for an excuse to raise taxes?
And they ask a good question. Why should I give up my creature comforts for what could be a bogus issue whipped up by government scientists looking for grant money and politicians looking for an excuse to raise taxes?
eddie van helsing: And they ask a good question. Why should I give up my creature comforts for what could be a bogus issue whipped up by government scientists looking for grant money and politicians looking for an excuse to raise taxes?
That's a retarded question.
That's a retarded question.
eddie van helsing: And they ask a good question. Why should I give up my creature comforts for what could be a bogus issue whipped up by government scientists looking for grant money and politicians looking for an excuse to raise taxes?
But...but...EL GORE!!11!!@@@BLARRGHHH!!22!
But...but...EL GORE!!11!!@@@BLARRGHHH!!22!
totalsecurity: But...but...EL GORE!!11!!@@@BLARRGHHH!!22!
Fuck him. He's just another politician, whoring out science for his own ends.
Fuck him. He's just another politician, whoring out science for his own ends.
Grobar Walming?
eddie van helsing: In other words, you're too retarded to answer it?
"... for what could be a bogus issue whipped up by blah blah?"
It's a loaded question with biased issues thrown in.
Does anyone seriously doubt pollution is harmful? The impact can be debated. But, you can't throw the issue under the bus by saying it's a money grab.
"... for what could be a bogus issue whipped up by blah blah?"
It's a loaded question with biased issues thrown in.
Does anyone seriously doubt pollution is harmful? The impact can be debated. But, you can't throw the issue under the bus by saying it's a money grab.
snoops: That's a retarded question.
There are no retarded questions, there are only retards asking them.
There are no retarded questions, there are only retards asking them.
eddie van helsing: And they ask a good question. Why should I give up my creature comforts for what could be a bogus issue whipped up by government scientists looking for grant money and politicians looking for an excuse to raise taxes?
snoops: That's a retarded question.
eddie van helsing: In other words, you're too retarded to answer it?
We need an answer. Is anyone here retarded enough to answer this?
snoops: That's a retarded question.
eddie van helsing: In other words, you're too retarded to answer it?
We need an answer. Is anyone here retarded enough to answer this?
snoops: But, you can't throw the issue under the bus by saying it's a money grab.
I most certainly can. And it's not only a money grab, but a power grab as well.
I most certainly can. And it's not only a money grab, but a power grab as well.
totalsecurity: But...but...EL GORE!!11!!@@@BLARRGHHH!!22!
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Someone photoshop Al Gore's pic on this please ;)
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Someone photoshop Al Gore's pic on this please ;)
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The least eco-minded city in the world
errr, the least out of eight. Fairly sure that if you compared it to Beijing or Jakarta or Mexico City it would come out with flying colors.
The least eco-minded city in the world
errr, the least out of eight. Fairly sure that if you compared it to Beijing or Jakarta or Mexico City it would come out with flying colors.
eddie van helsing: I most certainly can. And it's not only a money grab, but a power grab as well.
first you get the carbon credits, then you get the power, then you get the pussy.
first you get the carbon credits, then you get the power, then you get the pussy.
eddie van helsing: I most certainly can. And it's not only a money grab, but a power grab as well.
So let's not pay attention to basic science anymore and just keep industrial society chugging along.
/Oh look we just passed a bunch of asthmatic kids, oh and over there is a group of lung cancer patients. And here's where Miami used to be before it was under 6 inches of water.
So let's not pay attention to basic science anymore and just keep industrial society chugging along.
/Oh look we just passed a bunch of asthmatic kids, oh and over there is a group of lung cancer patients. And here's where Miami used to be before it was under 6 inches of water.
swingingjohnson: We need an answer. Is anyone here retarded enough to answer this?
because your creature comforts include: slicing across the street, pooping your pants, and snacking on large bags of dick(s)?
because your creature comforts include: slicing across the street, pooping your pants, and snacking on large bags of dick(s)?
If they'd counted more than the 10 richest cities, would've been Beijing, followed by Mexico City.
sloth: If they'd counted more than the 10 richest cities, would've been Beijing, followed by Mexico City.
Oh any city in China will do. Place is hell bent on a western lifestyle but the environment will collapse long before they get there.
Oh any city in China will do. Place is hell bent on a western lifestyle but the environment will collapse long before they get there.
snoops: just keep industrial society chugging along.
By all means, let's have a cleaner, more efficient industrial society. But spare me the apocalypse scenarios.
By all means, let's have a cleaner, more efficient industrial society. But spare me the apocalypse scenarios.
This whole eco bullshit is wrong from every angle it's presented at.
You shouldn't have to "sacrifice a convenient lifestyle to prevent global warming" as the article suggests, just as you should be fucking responsible with shitting up the environment.
It is possible for things to be convenient AND eco-friendly. What is wrong with people who think it's an either or concept?
You shouldn't have to "sacrifice a convenient lifestyle to prevent global warming" as the article suggests, just as you should be fucking responsible with shitting up the environment.
It is possible for things to be convenient AND eco-friendly. What is wrong with people who think it's an either or concept?
surfnazi:
It is possible for things to be convenient AND eco-friendly. What is wrong with people who think it's an either or concept?
Hell things can even be economical and eco-friendly. It doesn't have to cost more, although there's sometimes a longer recoup period
It is possible for things to be convenient AND eco-friendly. What is wrong with people who think it's an either or concept?
Hell things can even be economical and eco-friendly. It doesn't have to cost more, although there's sometimes a longer recoup period
snoops: Does anyone seriously doubt pollution is harmful? The impact can be debated. But, you can't throw the issue under the bus by saying it's a money grab.
Don't conflate CO2 obsession with disregard for all pollution, mmkay?
Yes, pollution is bad. Some pollution is worse than others. And, frankly, I get just a tad bit suspicious when somebody claims that the US, which has ecoregions in recovery, is a worse polluter in absolute numbers than, say, China, which has a perpetual brown cloud over it and is actively in the process of killing off numerous ecoregions.
Do we have reason to cut down on CO2 pollution? Sure, several of them. But I wouldn't put it into the same category of "immediate drastic action required" as, say, massive heavy particulate smog thick enough to block sight of a significant fraction of the earth from space, or the massive leaching of heavy metals and agri-industrial pollutants in major water sources for significant fractions of the world population, or massive SO2 pollution bad enough to acidify the rain across Asia.
Don't conflate CO2 obsession with disregard for all pollution, mmkay?
Yes, pollution is bad. Some pollution is worse than others. And, frankly, I get just a tad bit suspicious when somebody claims that the US, which has ecoregions in recovery, is a worse polluter in absolute numbers than, say, China, which has a perpetual brown cloud over it and is actively in the process of killing off numerous ecoregions.
Do we have reason to cut down on CO2 pollution? Sure, several of them. But I wouldn't put it into the same category of "immediate drastic action required" as, say, massive heavy particulate smog thick enough to block sight of a significant fraction of the earth from space, or the massive leaching of heavy metals and agri-industrial pollutants in major water sources for significant fractions of the world population, or massive SO2 pollution bad enough to acidify the rain across Asia.
surfnazi:
It is possible for things to be convenient AND eco-friendly. What is wrong with people who think it's an either or concept?
Yep, well said. I don't get that either.
It is possible for things to be convenient AND eco-friendly. What is wrong with people who think it's an either or concept?
Yep, well said. I don't get that either.
snoops: So let's not pay attention to basic science anymore and just keep industrial society chugging along.
/Oh look we just passed a bunch of asthmatic kids, oh and over there is a group of lung cancer patients. And here's where Miami used to be before it was under 6 inches of water.
Geez, and I thought Bush was good at fear-mongering.
Basic science tells me the Earth hasn't gotten warmer in a decade.
/Oh look we just passed a bunch of asthmatic kids, oh and over there is a group of lung cancer patients. And here's where Miami used to be before it was under 6 inches of water.
Geez, and I thought Bush was good at fear-mongering.
Basic science tells me the Earth hasn't gotten warmer in a decade.
snoops: So let's not pay attention to basic science anymore and just keep industrial society chugging along.
/Oh look we just passed a bunch of asthmatic kids, oh and over there is a group of lung cancer patients. And here's where Miami used to be before it was under 6 inches of water.
The problem is that science is still trying to figure out the relationship of correlation and causation when it comes to pollution and changes in our environment.
/Oh look we just passed a bunch of asthmatic kids, oh and over there is a group of lung cancer patients. And here's where Miami used to be before it was under 6 inches of water.
The problem is that science is still trying to figure out the relationship of correlation and causation when it comes to pollution and changes in our environment.
grahams: Hell things can even be economical and eco-friendly. It doesn't have to cost more, although there's sometimes a longer recoup period
Am I the only person seriously annoyed that every single farking bottle of liquid product has to come with its own pump? Talk about wasteful packaging.
Am I the only person seriously annoyed that every single farking bottle of liquid product has to come with its own pump? Talk about wasteful packaging.
sloth: Don't conflate CO2 obsession with disregard for all pollution, mmkay?
Yes, pollution is bad. Some pollution is worse than others. And, frankly, I get just a tad bit suspicious when somebody claims that the US, which has ecoregions in recovery, is a worse polluter in absolute numbers than, say, China, which has a perpetual brown cloud over it and is actively in the process of killing off numerous ecoregions.
Do we have reason to cut down on CO2 pollution? Sure, several of them. But I wouldn't put it into the same category of "immediate drastic action required" as, say, massive heavy particulate smog thick enough to block sight of a significant fraction of the earth from space, or the massive leaching of heavy metals and agri-industrial pollutants in major water sources for significant fractions of the world population, or massive SO2 pollution bad enough to acidify the rain across Asia.
Also known as "we're acceptable because they're worse"
Yes, pollution is bad. Some pollution is worse than others. And, frankly, I get just a tad bit suspicious when somebody claims that the US, which has ecoregions in recovery, is a worse polluter in absolute numbers than, say, China, which has a perpetual brown cloud over it and is actively in the process of killing off numerous ecoregions.
Do we have reason to cut down on CO2 pollution? Sure, several of them. But I wouldn't put it into the same category of "immediate drastic action required" as, say, massive heavy particulate smog thick enough to block sight of a significant fraction of the earth from space, or the massive leaching of heavy metals and agri-industrial pollutants in major water sources for significant fractions of the world population, or massive SO2 pollution bad enough to acidify the rain across Asia.
Also known as "we're acceptable because they're worse"
surfnazi: This whole eco bullshit is wrong from every angle it's presented at.
You shouldn't have to "sacrifice a convenient lifestyle to prevent global warming" as the article suggests, just as you should be fucking responsible with shitting up the environment.
It is possible for things to be convenient AND eco-friendly. What is wrong with people who think it's an either or concept?
^This = 100% correct
You shouldn't have to "sacrifice a convenient lifestyle to prevent global warming" as the article suggests, just as you should be fucking responsible with shitting up the environment.
It is possible for things to be convenient AND eco-friendly. What is wrong with people who think it's an either or concept?
^This = 100% correct
sloth: Yes, pollution is bad. Some pollution is worse than others. And, frankly, I get just a tad bit suspicious when somebody claims that the US, which has ecoregions in recovery, is a worse polluter in absolute numbers than, say, China, which has a perpetual brown cloud over it and is actively in the process of killing off numerous ecoregions.
Just saw an interesting piece on, I think, the Dirty Jobs show (Discovery?) that had to do with programs designed to replenish the marshland of the Mississippi delta. Best one seemed to be a diversion project from the river that was flooding a whole shitload of land, hopefully dumping lots of helpful silt.
Just saw an interesting piece on, I think, the Dirty Jobs show (Discovery?) that had to do with programs designed to replenish the marshland of the Mississippi delta. Best one seemed to be a diversion project from the river that was flooding a whole shitload of land, hopefully dumping lots of helpful silt.
eddie van helsing: By all means, let's have a cleaner, more efficient industrial society. But spare me the apocalypse scenarios.
I'm not arguing with apocalypse scenarios, I was trying to give some perspective on how that original 'question' sounded.
Ya we should look for cleaner industry, and how do you do that? With funding for science and an open mind towards our impact on the environment. Suggesting critisms are a money-grab or are tax/politics induced is not cool.
I'm not arguing with apocalypse scenarios, I was trying to give some perspective on how that original 'question' sounded.
Ya we should look for cleaner industry, and how do you do that? With funding for science and an open mind towards our impact on the environment. Suggesting critisms are a money-grab or are tax/politics induced is not cool.
I feel like heading out with a D-11 and dozing some wetlands and riparian habitat into some anadromous streams, then burning a million acres of forest in a national park!
sloth: Am I the only person seriously annoyed that every single farking bottle of liquid product has to come with its own pump? Talk about wasteful packaging.
How else can you get liquid out of a container? It's not like you can just turn those things over and have the stuff come out of them.
How else can you get liquid out of a container? It's not like you can just turn those things over and have the stuff come out of them.
sloth: Am I the only person seriously annoyed that every single farking bottle of liquid product has to come with its own pump? Talk about wasteful packaging.
We mostly buy soaps, detergents, windex etc at Costco. Sometimes avoids the problem
We mostly buy soaps, detergents, windex etc at Costco. Sometimes avoids the problem
snoops: I'm not arguing with apocalypse scenarios, I was trying to give some perspective on how that original 'question' sounded.
Ya we should look for cleaner industry, and how do you do that? With funding for science and an open mind towards our impact on the environment. Suggesting critisms are a money-grab or are tax/politics induced is not cool.
Not cool? I think it's just fine. Because people do use issues like this for less than genuine purposes at times.
Ya we should look for cleaner industry, and how do you do that? With funding for science and an open mind towards our impact on the environment. Suggesting critisms are a money-grab or are tax/politics induced is not cool.
Not cool? I think it's just fine. Because people do use issues like this for less than genuine purposes at times.
surfnazi: Also known as "we're acceptable because they're worse"
Read it again, as you clearly missed the point the first time.
Looking up the concepts of triage and risk assessment might help, too.
Read it again, as you clearly missed the point the first time.
Looking up the concepts of triage and risk assessment might help, too.
surfnazi: How else can you get liquid out of a container? It's not like you can just turn those things over and have the stuff come out of them.
Or, you know, sell pump-less refills. Some companies do, most don't.
Or, you know, sell pump-less refills. Some companies do, most don't.
get a goat
snoops: Suggesting critisms are a money-grab or are tax/politics induced is not cool.
When the government offers criticism, I'm going to smell a rat. This is the same government that lied about the effects of marijuana. This is the same government that lied about Saddam Hussein having WMDs. This is the same government that continues to lie about the progress of the Iraqi occupation and the threat posed by Al Qaeda.
Distrust of authority is my trip. Deal with it.
When the government offers criticism, I'm going to smell a rat. This is the same government that lied about the effects of marijuana. This is the same government that lied about Saddam Hussein having WMDs. This is the same government that continues to lie about the progress of the Iraqi occupation and the threat posed by Al Qaeda.
Distrust of authority is my trip. Deal with it.
eddie van helsing: When the government offers criticism, I'm going to smell a rat. This is the same government that lied about the effects of marijuana. This is the same government that lied about Saddam Hussein having WMDs. This is the same government that continues to lie about the progress of the Iraqi occupation and the threat posed by Al Qaeda.
Distrust of authority is my trip. Deal with it.
You are only allowed to distrust authority 50% of the time because they are just trying to scare you into controlling you. The rest of the time you must embrace it or YOU WILL SURELY DIE!
Distrust of authority is my trip. Deal with it.
You are only allowed to distrust authority 50% of the time because they are just trying to scare you into controlling you. The rest of the time you must embrace it or YOU WILL SURELY DIE!
eddie van helsing: When the government offers criticism, I'm going to smell a rat. This is the same government that lied about the effects of marijuana. This is the same government that lied about Saddam Hussein having WMDs. This is the same government that continues to lie about the progress of the Iraqi occupation and the threat posed by Al Qaeda.
Distrust of authority is my trip. Deal with it.
I'm pretty confident the GOP is moreso agreeing with your point of view. More of the "God wouldnt let this happen" point of view.
Distrust of authority is my trip. Deal with it.
I'm pretty confident the GOP is moreso agreeing with your point of view. More of the "God wouldnt let this happen" point of view.
galileo: even the swimming pools are crowded with slant eyes.
McCain's custom made Hell?
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McCain's custom made Hell?
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Oh, Tokyo... have you learned nothing from the Godzilla incident?
surfnazi: How else can you get liquid out of a container? It's not like you can just turn those things over and have the stuff come out of them.
That's what a knife is for.
Also, a knife is a rope wrench.
That's what a knife is for.
Also, a knife is a rope wrench.
feepness:
Basic science tells me the Earth hasn't gotten warmer in a decade.
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Pew Report
That seems to be consistent with what they found in their survey.
Basic science tells me the Earth hasn't gotten warmer in a decade.
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Pew Report
That seems to be consistent with what they found in their survey.
vet_curm: Pew Report
That seems to be consistent with what they found in their survey.
Nice curve ball!
That seems to be consistent with what they found in their survey.
Nice curve ball!
I'm not the biggest fan of the Japanese in the world, they have their problems, but I do wish we would take a hint from the things they do right. Animated pornography and violence, excellent technology, all ages comics that aren't just superheroes and are available everywher, and when people are sick, they wear masks so that they don't infect everyone else.
reed solomon: I'm not the biggest fan of the Japanese in the world, they have their problems, but I do wish we would take a hint from the things they do right. Animated pornography and violence, excellent technology, all ages comics that aren't just superheroes and are available everywher, and when people are sick, they wear masks so that they don't infect everyone else.
Also, basic politeness. And low crime.
I could do without the "everything can be eaten and should be" cultural meme, and also the tentacle/rape/loli/childporn gross subculture. And overfishing. And I hope we never come anywhere near the level of obsession with text-messaging.
Also, basic politeness. And low crime.
I could do without the "everything can be eaten and should be" cultural meme, and also the tentacle/rape/loli/childporn gross subculture. And overfishing. And I hope we never come anywhere near the level of obsession with text-messaging.
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