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    lard_baron 213 2009-05-31 09:55:44.0 login to vote score 1
    This happens once a month in Saudi, well executions do, not showing the head off. I've been invited to a beheading, "Just come to see the unbelievable actually happens" But haven't gone, nor do I intend going. I submiited a thread on it. I remember Brazil sayin' I should go along and protest.

    There's a paragraph in the paper telling you the time and date and who will be performing the beheading. Some executors are more famous than others, a clean slice and the victim's head falls into a basket he is kneeling upright in front of. This is considered the best type of execution all not all are capable of it.

    You don't always get to know the crime, nor the name of every criminal. They are just led out and beheaded. You are left to wonder what he did. Publish a leaflet? Protest a judgment? Murder someone? You'll never know, to ask would be to court trouble. It's got very little to do with justice, much more to do with intimidation of the population. "This is what we do to those that displease us." Its Terror. The whole country is terrorized.

    Women are allowed to lift the veil to watch. Young men go just to see the faces of the women. The women make the best of the day by wearing lipstick and eye makeup. The women are on the balconeys around the execution square and the men glance quickly up at them. They dare not stare as this would bring them to the attention of the Mutawwaeen ( morality police ) The women feign indifference but lick their lips to drive the men wild. In this atmosphere of sexual tension and excitement men are led out to be executed.

    The Sauds is the name of the tribe that runs Saudi. In, i think 1901, the tribe were given modern weapons to guard the oil fields by the British, Oil becoming a valuable resource. They quickly realized they could use these to grab power over the whole peninsular by defeating the other rival tribes, the Hasids, Rashids, Qatifs etc.. They did this but found it difficult to maintain so they reformed an old alliance with a local religious sect the Wahabists to keep the regional population under control. Its a testament to their control that the peninsula has been given their name.

    The Sauds get to do what they want, dress how they want, eat what they want, drink what they want, listen to what ever music they want. I've been to a party and the daughter of a Saudi business man sang Britney Spears songs dressed in a short skirt, that same week a nurse was flogged for showing her knees in public.

    Its the only country I really dislike. I hate the place and one day it is going to fall. I predict the Iranians will be the source of this downfall. They bear a deep grudge due to the Saudis funding Saddams war on them 1980-88. There is a Shiite minority in Saudi, (Iran is Shiite) and this minority by fantastic coincidence sit atop the oil fields. (There's a phrase the Arabs use, "find Shia find oil." I've heard of a US General who said "Iran can take the oil fields with 10 mullahs and a sound truck")

    If the Iranians can link up with them and the Iraqi Shiites it will be on.

    This, I think, is why the USA will never normalize relations with Iran. the USA's clients, Israel, Kuwait, S.A. fear Iran.


    party boy 1034 2009-05-31 10:01:01.0 login to vote score 1
    we support these tool boxes
    party boy 1034 2009-05-31 10:02:12.0 login to vote score 0
    lard_baron: .

    BTW, you have an e-mail.

    One question. It requires a direct answer. Well move forward from there.

    a number 2058 2009-05-31 10:04:55.0 login to vote score 0
    Did they put it on a spike? You have to put the heads on spikes if you really mean it.
    lard_baron 213 2009-05-31 10:06:25.0 login to vote score 0
    Stonings are far harder to pin down, you only get to hear of them after they have happened..

    A convoy of Mutawwaeen trucks and cars pulls into a town or village unannounced and a female adulterer is dragged out of a car and thrown into the village square. This will be the village she comes from, she'll have been arrested charged and found guilty weeks earlier, this the carrying out of the sentence. She might have to be tied up.

    The Mutawwaeen then go around to all the houses banging on doors and demanding the occupants come to the square. Everyone must attend.
    A truck with a load of stones is backed up and emptied into the square. Everyone has to pick up a stone. Everyone has to throw it at the woman. Again and again until see is killed. The Mutawwaeen take the body away.



    lard_baron 213 2009-05-31 10:07:15.0 login to vote score 0
    party boy: BTW, you have an e-mail.

    One question. It requires a direct answer. Well move forward from there.


    I did didn't i?
    jamin aura 1766 2009-05-31 10:08:51.0 login to vote score 0
    lard_baron: Stonings are far harder to pin down, you only get to hear of them after they have happened..

    A convoy of Mutawwaeen trucks and cars pulls into a town or village unannounced and a female adulterer is dragged out of a car and thrown into the village square. This will be the village she comes from, she'll have been arrested charged and found guilty weeks earlier, this the carrying out of the sentence. She might have to be tied up.

    The Mutawwaeen then go around to all the houses banging on doors and demanding the occupants come to the square. Everyone must attend.
    A truck with a load of stones is backed up and emptied into the square. Everyone has to pick up a stone. Everyone has to throw it at the woman. Again and again until see is killed. The Mutawwaeen take the body away.




    What, pray tell brings you to such a wonderful haven of civilisation? Is their internet censored? Do most of the people disagree with the tactics?
    party boy 1034 2009-05-31 10:09:26.0 login to vote score 0
    lard_baron:
    I did didn't i?


    no, you didnt.
    Im a little stunned that you thought you did.
    This is a fundamental point to make before I can go on.

    While I like the faster pace on the internet, I am also comfortable keeping these correspondences private through email.
    lard_baron 213 2009-05-31 10:11:37.0 login to vote score 0
    jamin aura: What, pray tell brings you to such a wonderful haven of civilisation? Is their internet censored? Do most of the people disagree with the tactics?

    I'm an engineer. I work in manufacturing plants. I go to tell them how to save energy or if they are not reaching the numbers the machinery they have is capable of.
    jamin aura 1766 2009-05-31 10:14:17.0 login to vote score 0
    lard_baron: I'm an engineer. I work in manufacturing plants. I go to tell them how to save energy or if they are not reaching the numbers the machinery they have is capable of.

    Man that is cool. Not the whole beheading thing. But going to far off foreign countries and seeing how their operations/employees are compared to ours must be fascinating.
    harrisonfire 756 2009-05-31 10:17:21.0 login to vote score 0
    jamin aura: Man that is cool. Not the whole beheading thing. But going to far off foreign countries and seeing how their operations/employees are compared to ours must be fascinating.

    My brother used to do something like this, although not manufacturing, defense. Politically, he makes me look like a conservative in comparison, and he always fucking hated visiting those "far off countries."
    jamin aura 1766 2009-05-31 10:18:54.0 login to vote score 0
    harrisonfire: My brother used to do something like this, although not manufacturing, defense. Politically, he makes me look like a conservative in comparison, and he always fucking hated visiting those "far off countries."

    Oh tell him to man up, watching people in places as culturally removed from us, accomplish tasks you see Americans do in their own way, would be fascinating.

    Visiting those countries, did you ever see them do something better, and used it in your arsenal of 'improvements'?
    harrisonfire 756 2009-05-31 10:22:24.0 login to vote score 1
    jamin aura: Oh tell him to man up, watching people in places as culturally removed from us, accomplish tasks you see Americans do in their own way, would be fascinating.

    Visiting those countries, did you ever see them do something better, and used it in your arsenal of 'improvements'?


    Man up? If by "man up", you mean hiring contractors to do the heavy lifting because your power base is too corrupt and wealthy to produce anything, then you're right.
    lard_baron 213 2009-05-31 10:23:14.0 login to vote score 0
    jamin aura: Man that is cool. Not the whole beheading thing. But going to far off foreign countries and seeing how their operations/employees are compared to ours must be fascinating.

    I spend a awful lot of time away from home. But I get to live among the natives. Arabians countries are the worst. the class system has to be experienced. I recommended this Egyptian engineer get given a laptop and email address so he can work more effectively, but the laptop and e-mail are icons of class and education, so his managers will not allow it. The plant spends time down as he cannot go online to the plants main logic controller to see what is happening.

    That is typical. The employees are treated like shit. They have all initiative beaten out of them.

    I genuinely used to think the Israeli army was the best in the world, then i met who they where up against. Its pathetic.

    lard_baron 213 2009-05-31 10:27:28.0 login to vote score 0
    jamin aura:
    Visiting those countries, did you ever see them do something better, and used it in your arsenal of 'improvements'?


    the Spanish, Italians and French have a excellent life/work balance. the Mediterranean is the place to live (European side.)
    The Americans don't, the Brits are in the middle, the Germans really are like that. The class gap in India has to be seen. The Russians dont care.


    jamin aura 1766 2009-05-31 10:31:56.0 login to vote score 0
    lard_baron: the Spanish, Italians and French have a excellent life/work balance. the Mediterranean is the place to live (European side.)
    The Americans don't, the Brits are in the middle, the Germans really are like that. The class gap in India has to be seen. The Russians dont care.


    USA! USA! USA!
    party boy 1034 2009-05-31 10:32:36.0 login to vote score 0
    lard_baron:
    The Americans don't


    cant disagree there.

    When abroad, I usually get "How much money do you make."

    I usually have to follow up with - make sure you balance this with
    • How much money do you need to spend
    • How much money do you need to work

    Strolling about on a Mediterranean or a North African street, fucking about and drinking a cafe nearly every day of the week is something nearly unheard of in the work work work mentality of the US.

    it drives some immigrants batshit crazy.
    party boy 1034 2009-05-31 10:34:27.0 login to vote score 0
    lard_baron 213 2009-05-31 10:39:51.0 login to vote score 0
    party boy:
    When abroad, I usually get "How much money do you make."
    nearly unheard of in the work work work mentality of the US.


    I worked in a plant in Toledo US, the manager had breakfast meetings in a restaurant at 6:30am. they then went into work and did 10 hours.
    they raised an eyebrow at me leaving for a hour each day....

    I was there 20 days, they asked me to stay on but I'd had enough. I handed it over to another chap. Americans must be the worlds hardest workers


    lard_baron 213 2009-05-31 10:45:15.0 login to vote score 0
    party boy: American workers stay longer in the office, at the factory or on the farm than their counterparts in Europe and most other rich nations, and they produce more per person over the year.

    No doubts about it. In Europe you have the working time directive(p) Key features are the limiting of the maximum length of a working week to 48 hours in 7 days, and a minimum rest period of 11 hours in each 24 hours.

    in the US 12 hour shifts in plant is the norm.

    USA =12x2=24.
    Europe =8x3 =24.

    Less hours in Europe but less money


    party boy 1034 2009-05-31 10:46:44.0 login to vote score 0
    lard_baron:
    Americans must be the worlds hardest workers


    Its kind of hard to downgrade to africa time.

    People wonder why Americans arent savvy on world affairs. I try to explain how many hours we put in over here.
    party boy 1034 2009-05-31 10:48:15.0 login to vote score 1
    lard_baron:
    Less hours in Europe but less money


    I have to explain this harder to people desperate to move to the US from the third world.

    (Hey, are you ready to fucking work your ass, pay through the nose for an apartment, insurance, education, etc. and then be forced to send remittances home or be considered a failure?)
    party boy 1034 2009-05-31 10:56:30.0 login to vote score 0
    party boy: Its kind of hard to downgrade to africa time.

    People wonder why Americans arent savvy on world affairs. I try to explain how many hours we put in over here.


    of course, our shit news doesnt help either.
    If you logged in, you could post here.