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People making over $250k during the Clinton years were unable to survive on such meager means. Do you really think they could survive going back to those tax rates?
Envy: It's what's for breakfast.
brazil: You need your fiber too.
If I blow out my colon, I'll be no better than the average Palin supporter!
If I blow out my colon, I'll be no better than the average Palin supporter!
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The article is dripping with condescention and entitlement. It reflects an attitude I find revolting.
untrustworthy: The article is dripping with condescention and entitlement. It reflects an attitude I find revolting.
It's like fatsean in article form.
It's like fatsean in article form.
untrustworthy: The article is dripping with condescention and entitlement. It reflects an attitude I find revolting.
I also find the notion that rich people deserve to pay less because they're more boot strappy revolting. I didn't read the article, because yeah, they're usually pretty whiny. But seriously, fuck rich people who cry about paying taxes.
I also find the notion that rich people deserve to pay less because they're more boot strappy revolting. I didn't read the article, because yeah, they're usually pretty whiny. But seriously, fuck rich people who cry about paying taxes.
action replay nick: I also find the notion that rich people deserve to pay less because they're more boot strappy revolting. I didn't read the article, because yeah, they're usually pretty whiny. But seriously, fuck rich people who cry about paying taxes.
Nobody said that rich people shouldn't pay taxes. But they have as much right to take issue with taxes as anyone.
Nobody said that rich people shouldn't pay taxes. But they have as much right to take issue with taxes as anyone.
untrustworthy:
The article is dripping with condescention and entitlement.
So sue them for infringing on your schtick.
The article is dripping with condescention and entitlement.
So sue them for infringing on your schtick.
action replay nick: I also find the notion that rich people deserve to pay less because they're more boot strappy revolting.
Talking about straw-men...
Talking about straw-men...
oftenrong: So sue them for infringing on your schtick.
Are you here to spew ignorance about the political spectrum? That's always fun.
Are you here to spew ignorance about the political spectrum? That's always fun.
quick1: People making over $250k during the Clinton years were unable to survive on such meager means. Do you really think they could survive going back to those tax rates?
But..but..but...the economic recovery!
I say, let 'em Go Galt :)
But..but..but...the economic recovery!
I say, let 'em Go Galt :)
untrustworthy:
Are you here to spew ignorance about the political spectrum? That's always fun.
You're the one lacking the brain balls to admit that conservatism has been been on the wrong side of issues throughout history but if it makes you feel better to project your shortcomings onto me, I can't stop you.
Are you here to spew ignorance about the political spectrum? That's always fun.
You're the one lacking the brain balls to admit that conservatism has been been on the wrong side of issues throughout history but if it makes you feel better to project your shortcomings onto me, I can't stop you.
texas raider: It's like fatsean in article form.
Yup. How's the career doing, son? You hit the big money yet? Gonna get dinged by return to Reagan-era tax levels on your income over $250,000.00? :P
Yup. How's the career doing, son? You hit the big money yet? Gonna get dinged by return to Reagan-era tax levels on your income over $250,000.00? :P
oftenrong: You're the one lacking the brain balls to admit that conservatism has been been on the wrong side of issues throughout history
???
1) UT isn't a conservative. In fact, there's pretty much no "conservatives" on this site. You're wasting your time railing against a nonexistent opponent.
2) Who was on the right side of the Russian Revolution? The progressives or the conservatives?
???
1) UT isn't a conservative. In fact, there's pretty much no "conservatives" on this site. You're wasting your time railing against a nonexistent opponent.
2) Who was on the right side of the Russian Revolution? The progressives or the conservatives?
oftenrong: You're the one lacking the brain balls to admit that conservatism has been been on the wrong side of issues throughout history but if it makes you feel better to project your shortcomings onto me, I can't stop you.
There we go. It's nice to see your schtick is, as of yet, unimpeded.
Please, go on...
There we go. It's nice to see your schtick is, as of yet, unimpeded.
Please, go on...
untrustworthy: Nobody said that rich people shouldn't pay taxes. But they have as much right to take issue with taxes as anyone.
I'd say they have more right to take issue, since they are paying much, much more in taxes than anyone else. For 2009, my federal income tax is greater than the median US income.
That's a lot of money. I have a right to be unhappy about paying it.
I'd say they have more right to take issue, since they are paying much, much more in taxes than anyone else. For 2009, my federal income tax is greater than the median US income.
That's a lot of money. I have a right to be unhappy about paying it.
sloth: ???
1) UT isn't a conservative. In fact, there's pretty much no "conservatives" on this site. You're wasting your time railing against a nonexistent opponent.
2) Who was on the right side of the Russian Revolution? The progressives or the conservatives?
1) Yet he gets tellingly prickly when conservatism is exposed as the anti-philosophy it is.
2) Which of those were liberals, Rush?
1) UT isn't a conservative. In fact, there's pretty much no "conservatives" on this site. You're wasting your time railing against a nonexistent opponent.
2) Who was on the right side of the Russian Revolution? The progressives or the conservatives?
1) Yet he gets tellingly prickly when conservatism is exposed as the anti-philosophy it is.
2) Which of those were liberals, Rush?
oftenrong: You're out of my league. I'm not a licensed special needs educator.
That's okay. I'm not one either, but I'm guessing we can find help for you somewhere.
That's okay. I'm not one either, but I'm guessing we can find help for you somewhere.
envelope: I'd say they have more right to take issue, since they are paying much, much more in taxes than anyone else. For 2009, my federal income tax is greater than the median US income.
That's a lot of money. I have a right to be unhappy about paying it.
Who says you don't? And those who make less than $250,000 a year have the right to mock your complaints and post pics of the world's smallest violin :)
That's a lot of money. I have a right to be unhappy about paying it.
Who says you don't? And those who make less than $250,000 a year have the right to mock your complaints and post pics of the world's smallest violin :)
envelope: I'd say they have more right to take issue, since they are paying much, much more in taxes than anyone else. For 2009, my federal income tax is greater than the median US income.
That's a lot of money. I have a right to be unhappy about paying it.
I agree.
That's a lot of money. I have a right to be unhappy about paying it.
I agree.
No tears here. Then again, I value the environment that permits me to be in 250K tax bracket. The environment that taxes (when appropriately applied) have created and maintain.
oftenrong: 1) Yet he gets tellingly prickly when conservatism is exposed as the anti-philosophy it is.
Umm, sure, ok.
oftenrong: 2) Which of those were liberals, Rush?
Why are you changing the subject?
You started talking about "conservatives" and how they're always on the wrong side of history. Well, does that mean that the Red Communists (who were progressive and anti-conservative) were on the right side of history? What about the Nazis? They were progressive and anti-conservative. Nobody said anything about liberals, so why are you changing the subject now?
Umm, sure, ok.
oftenrong: 2) Which of those were liberals, Rush?
Why are you changing the subject?
You started talking about "conservatives" and how they're always on the wrong side of history. Well, does that mean that the Red Communists (who were progressive and anti-conservative) were on the right side of history? What about the Nazis? They were progressive and anti-conservative. Nobody said anything about liberals, so why are you changing the subject now?
untrustworthy:
That's okay. I'm not one either, but I'm guessing we can find help for you somewhere.
Such devastatingly witty reversal. I am undone.
That's okay. I'm not one either, but I'm guessing we can find help for you somewhere.
Such devastatingly witty reversal. I am undone.
oftenrong: 1) Yet he gets tellingly prickly when conservatism is exposed as the anti-philosophy it is.
2) Which of those were liberals, Rush?
I get annoyed by your painful ignorance particularly when coupled by your bullheadedness resistance to people trying to point out how you don't understand that the world isn't as black and white as you'd like to present it. You're like a flat earther who swears that we don't live on a globe because the world doesn't look round to you.
2) Which of those were liberals, Rush?
I get annoyed by your painful ignorance particularly when coupled by your bullheadedness resistance to people trying to point out how you don't understand that the world isn't as black and white as you'd like to present it. You're like a flat earther who swears that we don't live on a globe because the world doesn't look round to you.
oftenrong: Such devastatingly witty reversal. I am undone.
A deflection doesn't suddenly give you credibility.
A deflection doesn't suddenly give you credibility.
I'd be a lot less unhappy about paying my taxes if I thought that the federal government was a good shepherd of the funds. But the government pours my tax dollars down a thousand different worthless shitholes, pet projects of some asshole congressman or senator.
sloth:
I'll say this once. I'm talking about conservatism, the underlying ideology. Some conservatives have done wonderful things, just as some liberals have committed atrocities.
If you're playing dumb, I'm convinced.
I'll say this once. I'm talking about conservatism, the underlying ideology. Some conservatives have done wonderful things, just as some liberals have committed atrocities.
If you're playing dumb, I'm convinced.
.... I always like the assumption "as fact" that rich people put all their money into tax shelters and never pay taxes.
Typical socialist agenda: Success must be punished.
envelope: I'd say they have more right to take issue, since they are paying much, much more in taxes than anyone else. For 2009, my federal income tax is greater than the median US income.
That's a lot of money. I have a right to be unhappy about paying it.
Cry about it some more, faggot.
That's a lot of money. I have a right to be unhappy about paying it.
Cry about it some more, faggot.
fatsean: Yup. How's the career doing, son? You hit the big money yet? Gonna get dinged by return to Reagan-era tax levels on your income over $250,000.00? :P
You make my point for me. ^_^
You make my point for me. ^_^
action replay nick: Cry about it some more, faggot.
I can only ascribe your hostility to envy. I thought liberals were all about diversity and inclusion.
I guess income diversity doesn't count.
I can only ascribe your hostility to envy. I thought liberals were all about diversity and inclusion.
I guess income diversity doesn't count.
oftenrong: I'll say this once. I'm talking about conservatism, the underlying ideology.
Do you understand the underlying ideology? Conservatism is nothing more than a trust in traditional institutions and methods over radical changes in the status quo.
oftenrong: Some conservatives have done wonderful things, just as some liberals have committed atrocities.
If you're playing dumb, I'm convinced.
And, again, *conservatism is not the opposite of liberalism*.
Someone who defends the right to free speech, or of the press, or of the right to keep and bear arms, is both conservative and liberal. Someone aiming to restrict those rights "for the greater good" is both progressive and illiberal.
The world is not a black-and-white struggle between "conservatism" and "liberalism." Not all change is good. Not all defense of the traditional is bad. And for damn sure not all progressivism is liberal.
For the record, I'm a liberal. I'm not always a Progressive, nor am I often a Conservative. I will always choose the liberal option.
Do you understand the underlying ideology? Conservatism is nothing more than a trust in traditional institutions and methods over radical changes in the status quo.
oftenrong: Some conservatives have done wonderful things, just as some liberals have committed atrocities.
If you're playing dumb, I'm convinced.
And, again, *conservatism is not the opposite of liberalism*.
Someone who defends the right to free speech, or of the press, or of the right to keep and bear arms, is both conservative and liberal. Someone aiming to restrict those rights "for the greater good" is both progressive and illiberal.
The world is not a black-and-white struggle between "conservatism" and "liberalism." Not all change is good. Not all defense of the traditional is bad. And for damn sure not all progressivism is liberal.
For the record, I'm a liberal. I'm not always a Progressive, nor am I often a Conservative. I will always choose the liberal option.
untrustworthy:
A three syllable word found in any English Dictionary?
You really want to go down the language road with me?
A three syllable word found in any English Dictionary?
You really want to go down the language road with me?
oftenrong: You really want to go down the language road with me?
Don't ask questions if you don't want answers.
Don't ask questions if you don't want answers.
untrustworthy: The article is dripping with condescention and entitlement. It reflects an attitude I find revolting.
And of course, you're using the word 'entitlement' in a purely descriptive sense, right?
And of course, you're using the word 'entitlement' in a purely descriptive sense, right?
envelope: I'd be a lot less unhappy about paying my taxes if I thought that the federal government was a good shepherd of the funds. But the government pours my tax dollars down a thousand different worthless shitholes, pet projects of some asshole congressman or senator.
Yeah, like that Occupation of Iraq bullshit, and the money-wasting War in Afghanistan, right?
Yeah, like that Occupation of Iraq bullshit, and the money-wasting War in Afghanistan, right?
envelope: I can only ascribe your hostility to envy. I thought liberals were all about diversity and inclusion.
I guess income diversity doesn't count.
Liberals are only about treason. They have been trying for decades to handover this country to eastern interests by plaguing our values with foreign ones. If it weren't for the patriots out there stifling their attempts we would be speaking Russian or Chinese by now.
I guess income diversity doesn't count.
Liberals are only about treason. They have been trying for decades to handover this country to eastern interests by plaguing our values with foreign ones. If it weren't for the patriots out there stifling their attempts we would be speaking Russian or Chinese by now.
... and "rich" people already pay more than 40% of taxes in this country while only making up 2% of wage earners and yet "poor" people constantly whine that the rich do not do enough to support them and their sloth ways.
untrustworthy: Don't ask questions if you don't want answers.
Don't go swimming in the deep end without your waterwings.
sloth:
The world is not a black-and-white struggle between "conservatism" and "liberalism." Not all change is good. Not all defense of the traditional is bad. And for damn sure not all progressivism is liberal.
Keep stating the obvious and so will I. Conservatism has been afforded an unearned respectability. An honest appraisal of its history of violent resistance to the expansion of liberty should, at very best, lead one to regard it with a profound skepticism if not the outright contempt I have.
Don't go swimming in the deep end without your waterwings.
sloth:
The world is not a black-and-white struggle between "conservatism" and "liberalism." Not all change is good. Not all defense of the traditional is bad. And for damn sure not all progressivism is liberal.
Keep stating the obvious and so will I. Conservatism has been afforded an unearned respectability. An honest appraisal of its history of violent resistance to the expansion of liberty should, at very best, lead one to regard it with a profound skepticism if not the outright contempt I have.
meta: And of course, you're using the word 'entitlement' in a purely descriptive sense, right?
No. I'm using it the way meaning one feeling unjust entitlement. I described that meaning in the thread you linked. I'm not describing a type of government program.
No. I'm using it the way meaning one feeling unjust entitlement. I described that meaning in the thread you linked. I'm not describing a type of government program.
meta: Yeah, like that Occupation of Iraq bullshit, and the money-wasting War in Afghanistan, right?
Yes, exactly right. Why do you assume I'm pro-war, just become I'm anti-tax? I thought stereotyping was what people on the right did.
Yes, exactly right. Why do you assume I'm pro-war, just become I'm anti-tax? I thought stereotyping was what people on the right did.
oftenrong: Don't go swimming in the deep end without your waterwings.
I'm already so impressed with your grasp of political phylosophy and the complexity of party politics throughout history that I can only assume that the rest of your intellect is of the highest standard. Would you care to share your prowess of submerged basket weaving techniques while you're here?
I'm already so impressed with your grasp of political phylosophy and the complexity of party politics throughout history that I can only assume that the rest of your intellect is of the highest standard. Would you care to share your prowess of submerged basket weaving techniques while you're here?
envelope:
I thought stereotyping was what people on the right did.
If adherence to a superior ideology was a cure-all I wouldn't have blood in my stool.
I thought stereotyping was what people on the right did.
If adherence to a superior ideology was a cure-all I wouldn't have blood in my stool.
untrustworthy:
I'm already so impressed with your grasp of political phylosophy and the complexity of party politics throughout history that I can only assume that the rest of your intellect is of the highest standard. Would you care to share your prowess of submerged basket weaving techniques while you're here?
Don't make me poem you.
I'm already so impressed with your grasp of political phylosophy and the complexity of party politics throughout history that I can only assume that the rest of your intellect is of the highest standard. Would you care to share your prowess of submerged basket weaving techniques while you're here?
Don't make me poem you.
Fucking phone.
oftenrong: Don't make me poem you.
How about working up a nice macaroni collage to blister me with your wit?
How about working up a nice macaroni collage to blister me with your wit?
untrustworthy:
How about working up a nice macaroni collage to blister me with your wit?
How about you work up a blistering macaroni collage!
/I learned that one from you
How about working up a nice macaroni collage to blister me with your wit?
How about you work up a blistering macaroni collage!
/I learned that one from you
little hands of concrete: ... and "rich" people already pay more than 40% of taxes in this country while only making up 2% of wage earners and yet "poor" people constantly whine that the rich do not do enough to support them and their sloth ways.
Wot?
Wot?
oftenrong: Keep stating the obvious and so will I. Conservatism has been afforded an unearned respectability. An honest appraisal of its history of violent resistance to the expansion of liberty should, at very best, lead one to regard it with a profound skepticism if not the outright contempt I have.
Again, you sidestep the fact that Conservatism fights against both expansions and contractions of liberty. Frankly, the fact that you keep doing this makes you sound a little retarded. Sorry.
Again, you sidestep the fact that Conservatism fights against both expansions and contractions of liberty. Frankly, the fact that you keep doing this makes you sound a little retarded. Sorry.
envelope: Yes, exactly right. Why do you assume I'm pro-war, just become I'm anti-tax? I thought stereotyping was what people on the right did.
It's what people do, regardless of political stripe.
I find it especially amusing when they echo their prejudices that another (opposing) tribe is filled with prejudiced people.
It's what people do, regardless of political stripe.
I find it especially amusing when they echo their prejudices that another (opposing) tribe is filled with prejudiced people.
meta: And of course, you're using the word 'entitlement' in a purely descriptive sense, right?
Do you randomly pull months old quotes out of your ass from a clipboard for use against others down the road, or are you just that obsessive about trying to prove your point?
Do you randomly pull months old quotes out of your ass from a clipboard for use against others down the road, or are you just that obsessive about trying to prove your point?
oftenrong: How about you work up a blistering macaroni collage!
/I learned that one from you
Bravo. I'm stunned. That's one of your better works.
/I learned that one from you
Bravo. I'm stunned. That's one of your better works.
sloth: Again, you sidestep the fact that Conservatism fights against both expansions and contractions of liberty. Frankly, the fact that you keep doing this makes you sound a little retarded. Sorry.
So conservatives are for the legalization of drugs, gay marriage, prostitution, etc.?
So conservatives are for the legalization of drugs, gay marriage, prostitution, etc.?
comicbookguy: Right. I'm sure no one has said that, anywhere, ever.
I've never heard that argument. I've certainly never heard it in any serious debate over proper US tax policy.
I've never heard that argument. I've certainly never heard it in any serious debate over proper US tax policy.
sloth:
Again, you sidestep the fact that Conservatism fights ... contractions of liberty.
Like anti-gay legislation.
Again, you sidestep the fact that Conservatism fights ... contractions of liberty.
Like anti-gay legislation.
meta: Yeah, like that Occupation of Iraq bullshit, and the money-wasting War in Afghanistan, right?
^This is the liberal idiocy I keep refering too. Occupation of Iraq was necessary to keep us and our regional interests secure forever. There's nothing wrong with that. Eliminating all anti American elements is essential to the survival of the USA. War is the most effective way to achieve this. Mass slaughter ensures people and their hostile sentiments perish, leaving us to benefit by cultivating their natural resources and flooding their economies with our exports, both beneficial for the USA. Neocolonization is not "money-wasting" its long term investment. And the wars have nothing to do with the short term fall that we endured within our own economy. So don't juxtapose the two.
^This is the liberal idiocy I keep refering too. Occupation of Iraq was necessary to keep us and our regional interests secure forever. There's nothing wrong with that. Eliminating all anti American elements is essential to the survival of the USA. War is the most effective way to achieve this. Mass slaughter ensures people and their hostile sentiments perish, leaving us to benefit by cultivating their natural resources and flooding their economies with our exports, both beneficial for the USA. Neocolonization is not "money-wasting" its long term investment. And the wars have nothing to do with the short term fall that we endured within our own economy. So don't juxtapose the two.
comicbookguy: So conservatives are for the legalization of drugs, gay marriage, prostitution, etc.?
You're talking about an expansion of liberty. Which I'm in favor of, as a liberal. A conservative, however, would view that as a change in the status quo. BUT, as I pointed out above, they are against restrictions on freedom of the press, freedom to bear arms, and freedom of speech, because those are already part of the status quo.
I swear, you'd think I didn't JUST EFFING EXPLAIN this.
You're talking about an expansion of liberty. Which I'm in favor of, as a liberal. A conservative, however, would view that as a change in the status quo. BUT, as I pointed out above, they are against restrictions on freedom of the press, freedom to bear arms, and freedom of speech, because those are already part of the status quo.
I swear, you'd think I didn't JUST EFFING EXPLAIN this.
nobody: Do you randomly pull months old quotes out of your ass from a clipboard for use against others down the road, or are you just that obsessive about trying to prove your point?
If you want to be able to say what you like and never be reminded of any apparent contradiction with what you said earlier, go on the TV news channels. They eat that shit up.
I just thought it was amusing to see UT using the word 'entitlement' as a blatant perjorative after he had earlier refused to admit that it carried negative connotations.
If you want to be able to say what you like and never be reminded of any apparent contradiction with what you said earlier, go on the TV news channels. They eat that shit up.
I just thought it was amusing to see UT using the word 'entitlement' as a blatant perjorative after he had earlier refused to admit that it carried negative connotations.
comicbookguy: I thought you didn't like strawmen? :D
I like comics.
And that one's funny. And not a little bit kidding-on-the-square.
I like comics.
And that one's funny. And not a little bit kidding-on-the-square.
moderator: ^This is the liberal idiocy I keep refering too. Occupation of Iraq was necessary to keep us and our regional interests secure forever. There's nothing wrong with that.
If you think so, then pay for it yourself, don't help yourself from my pocket.
moderator: And the wars have nothing to do with the short term fall that we endured within our own economy. So don't juxtapose the two.
So you're of the "there's nothing wrong with the government running a massive deficit" school?
If you think so, then pay for it yourself, don't help yourself from my pocket.
moderator: And the wars have nothing to do with the short term fall that we endured within our own economy. So don't juxtapose the two.
So you're of the "there's nothing wrong with the government running a massive deficit" school?
meta: If you want to be able to say what you like and never be reminded of any apparent contradiction with what you said earlier, go on the TV news channels. They eat that shit up.
I just thought it was amusing to see UT using the word 'entitlement' as a blatant perjorative after he had earlier refused to admit that it carried negative connotations.
If you're going to pull old thread up at least read the content. I explained that the word CAN have negative meanings. Context is important.
I just thought it was amusing to see UT using the word 'entitlement' as a blatant perjorative after he had earlier refused to admit that it carried negative connotations.
If you're going to pull old thread up at least read the content. I explained that the word CAN have negative meanings. Context is important.
ooh, troll-fight!
untrustworthy: If you're going to pull old thread up at least read the content. I explained that the word CAN have negative meanings. Context is important.
Right, so your fantasy is that you can use a word that's typically used as a perjorative, and through the magic of context it will be cleansed of all negative connotation.
I'm sure rangerbob was simply taking about people's skin being of a particular color as opposed to white; he was using the word "colored" in a purely descriptive way, and shouldn't have been criticized for it, right?
Right, so your fantasy is that you can use a word that's typically used as a perjorative, and through the magic of context it will be cleansed of all negative connotation.
I'm sure rangerbob was simply taking about people's skin being of a particular color as opposed to white; he was using the word "colored" in a purely descriptive way, and shouldn't have been criticized for it, right?
sloth:
... they are against restrictions on freedom of the press, freedom to bear arms, and freedom of speech, because those are already part of the status quo.
Thanks to which ideology? And which originally opposed them?
... they are against restrictions on freedom of the press, freedom to bear arms, and freedom of speech, because those are already part of the status quo.
Thanks to which ideology? And which originally opposed them?
meta: Right, so your fantasy is that you can use a word that's typically used as a perjorative, and through the magic of context it will be cleansed of all negative connotation.
I'm sure rangerbob was simply taking about people's skin being of a particular color as opposed to white; he was using the word "colored" in a purely descriptive way, and shouldn't have been criticized for it, right?
I'm not talking about race or rangerbob. Please try to stay on subject.
The word isnt't "mostly" uses S a pejojorative. It's has different meanings in different contexts. In the legal context, it reflects a type of government program. I explained thatbin the thread you linked. Rather than trotting it out as if it supports what you think, you should try reading it. It'll make you look a little more informed and aittle less "stalky."
I'm sure rangerbob was simply taking about people's skin being of a particular color as opposed to white; he was using the word "colored" in a purely descriptive way, and shouldn't have been criticized for it, right?
I'm not talking about race or rangerbob. Please try to stay on subject.
The word isnt't "mostly" uses S a pejojorative. It's has different meanings in different contexts. In the legal context, it reflects a type of government program. I explained thatbin the thread you linked. Rather than trotting it out as if it supports what you think, you should try reading it. It'll make you look a little more informed and aittle less "stalky."
Phuquing fone!
untrustworthy: I'm not talking about race or rangerbob. Please try to stay on subject.
We're taking about connotation. It's on subject.
untrustworthy: The word isnt't "mostly" uses S a pejojorative. It's has different meanings in different contexts.
And so does 'colored', and it's not mostly used as a perjorative either, but nevertheless you have to be careful of its connotation. Words carry baggage, and denying that it's so makes you look like you're being deliberately obtuse.
We're taking about connotation. It's on subject.
untrustworthy: The word isnt't "mostly" uses S a pejojorative. It's has different meanings in different contexts.
And so does 'colored', and it's not mostly used as a perjorative either, but nevertheless you have to be careful of its connotation. Words carry baggage, and denying that it's so makes you look like you're being deliberately obtuse.
I guess the main point is that poor people are stupid and want rich people to take care of them.
meta: We're taking about connotation. It's on subject.
And so does 'colored', and it's not mostly used as a perjorative either, but nevertheless you have to be careful of its connotation. Words carry baggage, and denying that it's so makes you look like you're being deliberately obtuse.
In the context I used it in this thread, I'm using it to reflect the idea of people who feel owed something that isn't theirs, and you should read it as negative. That's one context. I'm not talking about government entitlemet programs. That's a different context.
Is that all cleared up for you now?
And so does 'colored', and it's not mostly used as a perjorative either, but nevertheless you have to be careful of its connotation. Words carry baggage, and denying that it's so makes you look like you're being deliberately obtuse.
In the context I used it in this thread, I'm using it to reflect the idea of people who feel owed something that isn't theirs, and you should read it as negative. That's one context. I'm not talking about government entitlemet programs. That's a different context.
Is that all cleared up for you now?
oftenrong: Thanks to which ideology? And which originally opposed them?
Depends on your point of view.
The right to keep and bear arms was actually a traditionally English right. The right to free speech was one of those rights that ebbed and waned in English history. The freedom of the press was fairly new for the Republican revolutionaries. So, again, the Republicans were anti-Monarchy, and pro-liberal, but their policies were a mixture of conservative and progressive.
Depends on your point of view.
The right to keep and bear arms was actually a traditionally English right. The right to free speech was one of those rights that ebbed and waned in English history. The freedom of the press was fairly new for the Republican revolutionaries. So, again, the Republicans were anti-Monarchy, and pro-liberal, but their policies were a mixture of conservative and progressive.
untrustworthy: In the context I used it in this thread, I'm using it to reflect the idea of people who feel owed something that isn't theirs, and you should read it as negative.
yeah, whether it's intended to have negative connotation or not largely depends on whether the speaker feels that they truly are owed the good in question.
Every criminal is entitled to legal defense - no negative connotation, I fully believe that.
Lazy people feel entitled to take the money of hard-working people to buy luxuries - negative connotation, because I'm clearly saying their belief is delusional.
yeah, whether it's intended to have negative connotation or not largely depends on whether the speaker feels that they truly are owed the good in question.
Every criminal is entitled to legal defense - no negative connotation, I fully believe that.
Lazy people feel entitled to take the money of hard-working people to buy luxuries - negative connotation, because I'm clearly saying their belief is delusional.
meta: If you want to be able to say what you like and never be reminded of any apparent contradiction with what you said earlier, go on the TV news channels. They eat that shit up. I just thought it was amusing to see UT using the word 'entitlement' as a blatant perjorative after he had earlier refused to admit that it carried negative connotations. Oh, so you're merely obsessive. Carry on then, little man. I shan't disturb you from your flighty scribblings upon your notepad of all knowing. We certainly don't have enough people to document what untrustworthy says almost daily ad infinitum. Your concern and caring is marveling. Well, enough from me then, sir bard of the boring, I'm off to find another libertarian conservative liberal Randian troglodyte bridge dweller to play white knight for. Do not lock yourself away in your study for so long, poring over quotes, lest your vault of dusty tomes become your tomb.
sloth:
In the closing argument in Amistad (text and an MP3 of which can be found here [it makes for an excellent addition to a mix CD when bracketed by appropriate songs]), Anthony Hopkins' John Q. Adams argues convincingly that "...the natural state of mankind is instead -- and I know this is a controversial idea -- is freedom.". This is where I become conservative.
/AmericanRhetoric.com brims with delicious sound files for mixed CDs.
In the closing argument in Amistad (text and an MP3 of which can be found here [it makes for an excellent addition to a mix CD when bracketed by appropriate songs]), Anthony Hopkins' John Q. Adams argues convincingly that "...the natural state of mankind is instead -- and I know this is a controversial idea -- is freedom.". This is where I become conservative.
/AmericanRhetoric.com brims with delicious sound files for mixed CDs.
nobody: Oh, so you're merely obsessive. Carry on then, little man. I shan't disturb you from your flighty scribblings upon your notepad of all knowing. We certainly don't have enough people to document what untrustworthy says almost daily ad infinitum. Your concern and caring is marveling. Well, enough from me then, sir bard of the boring, I'm off to find another libertarian conservative liberal Randian troglodyte bridge dweller to play white knight for. Do not lock yourself away in your study for so long, poring over quotes, lest your vault of dusty tomes become your tomb.
Good heavens, old chap, you wish to play Polite Debate Society? I admit that you have cogitated an altogether superior notion. Let us begin forthwith!
Pray tell, though, how do you propose to engage in further circumlocutory excoriation, when your entire mis-shapen cranium appears to be permanently lodged inside the cavernous vacuity between the proud cheeks of your fundament?
Good heavens, old chap, you wish to play Polite Debate Society? I admit that you have cogitated an altogether superior notion. Let us begin forthwith!
Pray tell, though, how do you propose to engage in further circumlocutory excoriation, when your entire mis-shapen cranium appears to be permanently lodged inside the cavernous vacuity between the proud cheeks of your fundament?
Heh, I love you guise.
Ah'm agint raisin the taxes on the rich, cuz Ah can feel that lottery win a comin' reel soon-lahke.
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