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The Donald will have him releasing corpse pics in no time.
No pics no proof.
Good. At first I wanted proof myself, but after thinking about it I realized that the pictures would only inflame the Muslims. Why bury Osama at sea to prevent creating a shrine only to further martyr him with the release of the pics?
This thread is useless then.
Just release the fuckin' photo. People aren't going to stop asking for them. And don't start up the fucking conspiracy theories.
untrustworthy: Just release the fuckin' photo. People aren't going to stop asking for them. And don't start up the fucking conspiracy theories.
People are going to believe conspiracy theories whether the photos are released or not. See: long form
People are going to believe conspiracy theories whether the photos are released or not. See: long form
They'll be out by the end of the week, along with the Osama/Lady Gaga sex tape.
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So he's going to be at ground zero tomorrow and on Sixty Minutes sunday. I don't think he's milking this at all.
Republican House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers said Wednesday that the Obama administration should not release the gruesome post-mortem images, saying it could complicate the job for American troops overseas. Rogers told CBS News he has seen a post-mortem photo.
"The risks of release outweigh the benefits," Rogers said. "Conspiracy theorists around the world will just claim the photos are doctored anyway, and there is a real risk that releasing the photos will only serve to inflame public opinion in the Middle East."
"Imagine how the American people would react if Al Qaeda killed one of our troops or military leaders, and put photos of the body on the internet," Rogers continued. "Osama bin Laden is not a trophy - he is dead and let's now focus on continuing the fight until Al Qaida has been eliminated."
It isn't often that I agree with a Republican on an issue, but I am 100% in agreement. Besides satisfying morbid curiosity, these pictures can do no good if released.
"The risks of release outweigh the benefits," Rogers said. "Conspiracy theorists around the world will just claim the photos are doctored anyway, and there is a real risk that releasing the photos will only serve to inflame public opinion in the Middle East."
"Imagine how the American people would react if Al Qaeda killed one of our troops or military leaders, and put photos of the body on the internet," Rogers continued. "Osama bin Laden is not a trophy - he is dead and let's now focus on continuing the fight until Al Qaida has been eliminated."
It isn't often that I agree with a Republican on an issue, but I am 100% in agreement. Besides satisfying morbid curiosity, these pictures can do no good if released.
keerbip: They'll be out by the end of the week, along with the Osama/Lady Gaga sex tape.
Wait, they're different people?
Wait, they're different people?
notnews: So he's going to be at ground zero tomorrow and on Sixty Minutes sunday. I don't think he's milking this at all.
and he's black! OMG... he's milking that...
and he's black! OMG... he's milking that...
On the other hand, if we had saved the body and took it on a 20 city tour, charging $20 for admittance, we could probably balance the budget from the admissions alone.
untrustworthy: Just release the fuckin' photo. People aren't going to stop asking for them. And don't start up the fucking conspiracy theories.
It'll feed them.
So just release them already. They aren't going to reveal any national secrets. I think we have a right to the evidence.
It'll feed them.
So just release them already. They aren't going to reveal any national secrets. I think we have a right to the evidence.
untrustworthy: Just release the fuckin' photo. People aren't going to stop asking for them. And don't start up the fucking conspiracy theories.
It was too late as soon as the big O announced the killing.
It was too late as soon as the big O announced the killing.
quick1: On the other hand, if we had saved the body and took it on a 20 city tour, charging $20 for admittance, we could probably balance the budget from the admissions alone.
Madame Tussauds is on the phone!
Madame Tussauds is on the phone!
untrustworthy: Just release the fuckin' photo. People aren't going to stop asking for them. And don't start up the fucking conspiracy theories.
I the helicopter hadn't crashed I wonder if they even would have told the story.
I the helicopter hadn't crashed I wonder if they even would have told the story.
strikitrich: I the helicopter hadn't crashed I wonder if they even would have told the story.
Reasons I love wikileaks. We should have more access.
Reasons I love wikileaks. We should have more access.
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I knew it! He sent in the SEALs to save Osama! They're now making gay love and plotting to institute socialism.
This op is useless without pics.
mikeflstfi: Anyone else read that as "mtman is a raper one"?
He never has denied where he was in 1990.
He never has denied where he was in 1990.
I just want to get this straight... we can cross into another country's borders without telling them, kill/kidnap their citizens, throw the bodies in the ocean... but if we release pictures that might offend people?
mikeflstfi: Anyone else read that as "mtman is a raper one"?
No, that would be "mtman is the rapiest one"
No, that would be "mtman is the rapiest one"
so vote republican: I just want to get this straight... we can cross into another country's borders without telling them, kill/kidnap their citizens, throw the bodies in the ocean... but if we release pictures that might offend people?
A picture is worth a thousand rhetorics.
A picture is worth a thousand rhetorics.
so vote republican: I just want to get this straight... we can cross into another country's borders without telling them, kill/kidnap their citizens, throw the bodies in the ocean... but if we release pictures that might offend people?
Cross into another country's borders without telling them: usually offends the government more than the populace
Kill/kidnap their citizens: Surely would offend people, but was a necessity for the operation
Throw bodies in the ocean: Done to comply with Muslim burial guidelines, as to make it clear that we are not at war with Islam. Designed to offend the fewest people.
Release pictures: No tactical benefit, no practical benefit, no public right to that information AFAIK. Therefore, the conversation as to whether or not it will inflame tensions unnecessarily is a worthwhile one.
Cross into another country's borders without telling them: usually offends the government more than the populace
Kill/kidnap their citizens: Surely would offend people, but was a necessity for the operation
Throw bodies in the ocean: Done to comply with Muslim burial guidelines, as to make it clear that we are not at war with Islam. Designed to offend the fewest people.
Release pictures: No tactical benefit, no practical benefit, no public right to that information AFAIK. Therefore, the conversation as to whether or not it will inflame tensions unnecessarily is a worthwhile one.
strikitrich: Good. At first I wanted proof myself, but after thinking about it I realized that the pictures would only inflame the Muslims. Why bury Osama at sea to prevent creating a shrine only to further martyr him with the release of the pics?
Why should we care ? The same people who would be inflamed would be the folks who cheered as the towers collapsed, taking over 3,000 lives.
I say.... let them be inflamed.
strikitrich: Good. At first I wanted proof myself, but after thinking about it I realized that the pictures would only inflame the Muslims. Why bury Osama at sea to prevent creating a shrine only to further martyr him with the release of the pics?
Why should we care ? The same people who would be inflamed would be the folks who cheered as the towers collapsed, taking over 3,000 lives.
I say.... let them be inflamed.
strikitrich: Good. At first I wanted proof myself, but after thinking about it I realized that the pictures would only inflame the Muslims. Why bury Osama at sea to prevent creating a shrine only to further martyr him with the release of the pics?
I think if enough people in the government on both sides of the political aisle from elected officials to intelligence people go on the record as seeing the photos and are satisfied it is Osama, that is good enough for me. I'm fine as it is. But, to do this may silence The Deathers.
so vote republican: I just want to get this straight... we can cross into another country's borders without telling them, kill/kidnap their citizens, throw the bodies in the ocean... but if we release pictures that might offend people?
Bin Laden never produced a long-form Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province certificate of live birth, so he was probably born in Hawaii and therefore not a Pakistani citizen.
Bin Laden never produced a long-form Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province certificate of live birth, so he was probably born in Hawaii and therefore not a Pakistani citizen.
mtman900: Cross into another country's borders without telling them: usually offends the government more than the populace
Kill/kidnap their citizens: Surely would offend people, but was a necessity for the operation
Throw bodies in the ocean: Done to comply with Muslim burial guidelines, as to make it clear that we are not at war with Islam. Designed to offend the fewest people.
Release pictures: No tactical benefit, no practical benefit, no public right to that information AFAIK. Therefore, the conversation as to whether or not it will inflame tensions unnecessarily is a worthwhile one.
Okay, I don't really care that much. So Imma just let you go with that.
Kill/kidnap their citizens: Surely would offend people, but was a necessity for the operation
Throw bodies in the ocean: Done to comply with Muslim burial guidelines, as to make it clear that we are not at war with Islam. Designed to offend the fewest people.
Release pictures: No tactical benefit, no practical benefit, no public right to that information AFAIK. Therefore, the conversation as to whether or not it will inflame tensions unnecessarily is a worthwhile one.
Okay, I don't really care that much. So Imma just let you go with that.
phil_herup: Why should we care ? The same people who would be inflamed would be the folks who cheered as the towers collapsed, taking over 3,000 lives.
I say.... let them be inflamed.
I want everyone here to know that I am all about inflaming tensions over an important cause. Invade air space, kill a terrorist, celebrate your free speech by drawing a cartoon of Mohammed... all great in my book.
This is something that is being sold as a way to appease Deathers. There is no way it would do that. What's more, it's not important rights or tactical-wise. Let these sleeping dogs lie.
I say.... let them be inflamed.
I want everyone here to know that I am all about inflaming tensions over an important cause. Invade air space, kill a terrorist, celebrate your free speech by drawing a cartoon of Mohammed... all great in my book.
This is something that is being sold as a way to appease Deathers. There is no way it would do that. What's more, it's not important rights or tactical-wise. Let these sleeping dogs lie.
phil_herup: Why should we care ? The same people who would be inflamed would be the folks who cheered as the towers collapsed, taking over 3,000 lives.
I say.... let them be inflamed.
I want everyone here to know that I am all about inflaming tensions over an important cause. Invade air space, kill a terrorist, celebrate your free speech by drawing a cartoon of Mohammed... all great in my book.
This is something that is being sold as a way to appease Deathers. There is no way it would do that. What's more, it's not important rights or tactical-wise. Let these sleeping dogs lie.
I say.... let them be inflamed.
I want everyone here to know that I am all about inflaming tensions over an important cause. Invade air space, kill a terrorist, celebrate your free speech by drawing a cartoon of Mohammed... all great in my book.
This is something that is being sold as a way to appease Deathers. There is no way it would do that. What's more, it's not important rights or tactical-wise. Let these sleeping dogs lie.
keerbip: Bin Laden never produced a long-form Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province certificate of live birth, so he was probably born in Hawaii and therefore not a Pakistani citizen.
Bin Laden was actually killed in Kenya.
Bin Laden was actually killed in Kenya.
mtman900: I want everyone here to know that I am all about inflaming tensions over an important cause. Invade air space, kill a terrorist, celebrate your free speech by drawing a cartoon of Mohammed... all great in my book.
This is something that is being sold as a way to appease Deathers. There is no way it would do that. What's more, it's not important rights or tactical-wise. Let these sleeping dogs lie.
I think we have the right to the images given that there are no secrets being divulged in them.
This is something that is being sold as a way to appease Deathers. There is no way it would do that. What's more, it's not important rights or tactical-wise. Let these sleeping dogs lie.
I think we have the right to the images given that there are no secrets being divulged in them.
so vote republican: Bin Laden was actually killed in Kenya.
Ozombie bin Laden was just named to the dean's list at Occidental.
Ozombie bin Laden was just named to the dean's list at Occidental.
We released photos of saddam's dead sons. He'll, they blew up and framed Zarqawi's death photo for a press conference. Blocking the release of the photo isnt at all consistent or justified.
untrustworthy: We released photos of saddam's dead sons. He'll, they blew up and framed Zarqawi's death photo for a press conference. Blocking the release of the photo isnt at all consistent or justified.
Bush's Administration though
Bush's Administration though
phil_herup: We deserve to see his corpse.
"Deserve"? I mean... ok?
untrustworthy: I think we have the right to the images given that there are no secrets being divulged in them.
Fair enough; you should have access to all government documents that aren't classified. I don't honestly understand what standards are used in deciding whether a document is "classified", but you do have the right to utilize the Freedom of Information Act to retrieve documents.
"Deserve"? I mean... ok?
untrustworthy: I think we have the right to the images given that there are no secrets being divulged in them.
Fair enough; you should have access to all government documents that aren't classified. I don't honestly understand what standards are used in deciding whether a document is "classified", but you do have the right to utilize the Freedom of Information Act to retrieve documents.
untrustworthy: Obama was supposedly advocating for more transparency.
I don't disagree, I think they should release them.
I don't disagree, I think they should release them.
mtman900: you do have the right to utilize the Freedom of Information Act to retrieve documents.
FOIA request filed by the New York Times, the Enquirer, et. al. in 3...2....1...
FOIA request filed by the New York Times, the Enquirer, et. al. in 3...2....1...
mtman900: "Deserve"? I mean... ok?
Fair enough; you should have access to all government documents that aren't classified. I don't honestly understand what standards are used in deciding whether a document is "classified", but you do have the right to utilize the Freedom of Information Act to retrieve documents.
After all, if fears of inciting a backlash is an excuse for not releasing photos, then the Bush Admin could have used the excuse to block Abu Ghraib abuse images.
Fair enough; you should have access to all government documents that aren't classified. I don't honestly understand what standards are used in deciding whether a document is "classified", but you do have the right to utilize the Freedom of Information Act to retrieve documents.
After all, if fears of inciting a backlash is an excuse for not releasing photos, then the Bush Admin could have used the excuse to block Abu Ghraib abuse images.
cranky bastard: FOIA request filed by the New York Times, the Enquirer, et. al. in 3...2....1...
I think he'll wait a year or so until the mouthbreathers get REALLY batshit crazy, then release them. Worked the last time ;^P
I think he'll wait a year or so until the mouthbreathers get REALLY batshit crazy, then release them. Worked the last time ;^P
this looks like a job for Private Manning!
untrustworthy: After all, if fears of inciting a backlash is an excuse for not releasing photos, then the Bush Admin could have used the excuse to block Abu Ghraib abuse images.
Ummmmm
Ummmmm
chaos: I don't disagree, I think they should release them.
They are foolish to not have released them immediately. Now they've created a problem with perception about how things went down.
They are foolish to not have released them immediately. Now they've created a problem with perception about how things went down.
untrustworthy: They are foolish to not have released them immediately. Now they've created a problem with perception about how things went down.
they could have at least done it for a few news outlets to get the "nod" from reporters that they're out there and then later release them to the public - but start some level of "trust"
they could have at least done it for a few news outlets to get the "nod" from reporters that they're out there and then later release them to the public - but start some level of "trust"
farkmeblind: I think he'll wait a year or so until the mouthbreathers get REALLY batshit crazy, then release them. Worked the last time ;^P
Yeah - nothing like learning from experience, right?
Those photos will come out. No two ways about it. The Nancy Graces and Geraldo Riveras of the world will not rest until they get the photos, and then they won't wait for more than five seconds before releasing them to trigger yet another newsgasm.
Vegas needs to start taking bets on which self-aggrandizing prick in the government releases the photos first, in order to wave his dick around and get a piece of the publicity.
Yeah - nothing like learning from experience, right?
Those photos will come out. No two ways about it. The Nancy Graces and Geraldo Riveras of the world will not rest until they get the photos, and then they won't wait for more than five seconds before releasing them to trigger yet another newsgasm.
Vegas needs to start taking bets on which self-aggrandizing prick in the government releases the photos first, in order to wave his dick around and get a piece of the publicity.
untrustworthy: They are foolish to not have released them immediately. Now they've created a problem with perception about how things went down.
I disagree, it is a damned if you do/don't kind of thing.
I disagree, it is a damned if you do/don't kind of thing.
so vote republican: I disagree, it is a damned if you do/don't kind of thing.
There was no controversy regarding the earlier release of death photos in the war on terruh.
There was no controversy regarding the earlier release of death photos in the war on terruh.
untrustworthy: Imagine if they had been able to block them all.
Fucking fuckers.
Then we would never have known how fugly Lynndie England was.
What was the bad part, again?
Fucking fuckers.
Then we would never have known how fugly Lynndie England was.
What was the bad part, again?
so vote republican: I disagree, it is a damned if you do/don't kind of thing.
I could almost agree, if the choice could actually be made and be made to stick.
However, I think there is zero chance that the government will be able to keep the lid on those photos. Given that, it's only a matter of time before they're in the wind - and every day that goes by before they're officially released makes the government look sillier.
Could be wrong, but that's how I read it.
I could almost agree, if the choice could actually be made and be made to stick.
However, I think there is zero chance that the government will be able to keep the lid on those photos. Given that, it's only a matter of time before they're in the wind - and every day that goes by before they're officially released makes the government look sillier.
Could be wrong, but that's how I read it.
cranky bastard: Yeah - nothing like learning from experience, right?
Those photos will come out. No two ways about it. The Nancy Graces and Geraldo Riveras of the world will not rest until they get the photos, and then they won't wait for more than five seconds before releasing them to trigger yet another newsgasm.
Vegas needs to start taking bets on which self-aggrandizing prick in the government releases the photos first, in order to wave his dick around and get a piece of the publicity.
Yes, but then the Admin gets plausible deniability on their (photos) provenance and the circumstances surrounding release. I think the WH is doing what it needs to do, and letting Anonymous or their ilk handle the flak regarding release of the photos.
Those photos will come out. No two ways about it. The Nancy Graces and Geraldo Riveras of the world will not rest until they get the photos, and then they won't wait for more than five seconds before releasing them to trigger yet another newsgasm.
Vegas needs to start taking bets on which self-aggrandizing prick in the government releases the photos first, in order to wave his dick around and get a piece of the publicity.
Yes, but then the Admin gets plausible deniability on their (photos) provenance and the circumstances surrounding release. I think the WH is doing what it needs to do, and letting Anonymous or their ilk handle the flak regarding release of the photos.
untrustworthy: There was no controversy regarding the earlier release of death photos in the war on terruh.
Yes, there was.
The provisional authority in Iraq has released photographs Thursday it said were of Saddam Hussein's sons Uday and Qusay, aimed at convincing skeptical Iraqis that they were killed in a raid by U.S. troops. The U.S. government intentionally released the photographs on CD-ROM through the provisional authority in Baghdad because the U.S. military has traditionally been reluctant to release images of slain combatants. The Bush administration complained loudly when images of American dead were broadcast on Arab television networks during the war with Iraq.
Yes, there was.
The provisional authority in Iraq has released photographs Thursday it said were of Saddam Hussein's sons Uday and Qusay, aimed at convincing skeptical Iraqis that they were killed in a raid by U.S. troops. The U.S. government intentionally released the photographs on CD-ROM through the provisional authority in Baghdad because the U.S. military has traditionally been reluctant to release images of slain combatants. The Bush administration complained loudly when images of American dead were broadcast on Arab television networks during the war with Iraq.
farkmeblind: Yes, there was.
The provisional authority in Iraq has released photographs Thursday it said were of Saddam Hussein's sons Uday and Qusay, aimed at convincing skeptical Iraqis that they were killed in a raid by U.S. troops. The U.S. government intentionally released the photographs on CD-ROM through the provisional authority in Baghdad because the U.S. military has traditionally been reluctant to release images of slain combatants. The Bush administration complained loudly when images of American dead were broadcast on Arab television networks during the war with Iraq.
Well, there was controversy (I stand corrected) but that didn't stop the release. I think it's foolish to snap photos, dangle them over the American public, and then decide they won't release them.
The provisional authority in Iraq has released photographs Thursday it said were of Saddam Hussein's sons Uday and Qusay, aimed at convincing skeptical Iraqis that they were killed in a raid by U.S. troops. The U.S. government intentionally released the photographs on CD-ROM through the provisional authority in Baghdad because the U.S. military has traditionally been reluctant to release images of slain combatants. The Bush administration complained loudly when images of American dead were broadcast on Arab television networks during the war with Iraq.
Well, there was controversy (I stand corrected) but that didn't stop the release. I think it's foolish to snap photos, dangle them over the American public, and then decide they won't release them.
farkmeblind: Yes, but then the Admin gets plausible deniability on their (photos) provenance and the circumstances surrounding release. I think the WH is doing what it needs to do, and letting Anonymous or their ilk handle the flak regarding release of the photos.
If they had any balls, they'd release the damn photos and be done.
If Trump can goad Obama into releasing his birth certificate, how long do you think Obama will hold out before releasing the photos?
I think it won't be long before the government not only releases the photos, but goes to considerable effort to prove their provenance. The longer they wait, the dumber they'll look.
This condescending "Daddy knows best" attitude is a real problem, and the photo flap is a lot bigger deal to a much larger group than the birth certificate is to the "OMG SEEKRIT MUSLIN" crowd.
If they had any balls, they'd release the damn photos and be done.
If Trump can goad Obama into releasing his birth certificate, how long do you think Obama will hold out before releasing the photos?
I think it won't be long before the government not only releases the photos, but goes to considerable effort to prove their provenance. The longer they wait, the dumber they'll look.
This condescending "Daddy knows best" attitude is a real problem, and the photo flap is a lot bigger deal to a much larger group than the birth certificate is to the "OMG SEEKRIT MUSLIN" crowd.
cranky bastard: If they had any balls, they'd release the damn photos and be done.
If Trump can goad Obama into releasing his birth certificate, how long do you think Obama will hold out before releasing the photos?
I think it won't be long before the government not only releases the photos, but goes to considerable effort to prove their provenance. The longer they wait, the dumber they'll look.
This condescending "Daddy knows best" attitude is a real problem, and the photo flap is a lot bigger deal to a much larger group than the birth certificate is to the "OMG SEEKRIT MUSLIN" crowd.
I think there are very good reasons for not having the Admin be the source of the photos, which I stated above. If Obama caved in to every person who accused him of not having balls, he might as well quit now. I am not reacting to this as "Daddy knows best" because that's not how I read the situation. YMMV.
/s'kinda funny though that you see it as patronizing patriarchalism and I don't
If Trump can goad Obama into releasing his birth certificate, how long do you think Obama will hold out before releasing the photos?
I think it won't be long before the government not only releases the photos, but goes to considerable effort to prove their provenance. The longer they wait, the dumber they'll look.
This condescending "Daddy knows best" attitude is a real problem, and the photo flap is a lot bigger deal to a much larger group than the birth certificate is to the "OMG SEEKRIT MUSLIN" crowd.
I think there are very good reasons for not having the Admin be the source of the photos, which I stated above. If Obama caved in to every person who accused him of not having balls, he might as well quit now. I am not reacting to this as "Daddy knows best" because that's not how I read the situation. YMMV.
/s'kinda funny though that you see it as patronizing patriarchalism and I don't
cranky bastard: If they had any balls, they'd release the damn photos and be done.
If Trump can goad Obama into releasing his birth certificate, how long do you think Obama will hold out before releasing the photos?
I think it won't be long before the government not only releases the photos, but goes to considerable effort to prove their provenance. The longer they wait, the dumber they'll look.
This condescending "Daddy knows best" attitude is a real problem, and the photo flap is a lot bigger deal to a much larger group than the birth certificate is to the "OMG SEEKRIT MUSLIN" crowd.
I agree. And I don't buy the argument that the photos or video would add any significant security threat to the whole issue.
If Trump can goad Obama into releasing his birth certificate, how long do you think Obama will hold out before releasing the photos?
I think it won't be long before the government not only releases the photos, but goes to considerable effort to prove their provenance. The longer they wait, the dumber they'll look.
This condescending "Daddy knows best" attitude is a real problem, and the photo flap is a lot bigger deal to a much larger group than the birth certificate is to the "OMG SEEKRIT MUSLIN" crowd.
I agree. And I don't buy the argument that the photos or video would add any significant security threat to the whole issue.
untrustworthy: Well, there was controversy (I stand corrected) but that didn't stop the release. I think it's foolish to snap photos, dangle them over the American public, and then decide they won't release them.
Thank you, you may sit ;^D.
So...they shouldn't have documented it, or pretended they didn't? I'm not really sure where this idea came from that whatever the Admin does is sanction-free. No matter what is done, there will be repercussions, the only question is which ones?
If the press releases photos, then it's that org that will have to defend its provenance and truthfulness, not Obama. That alone imho, is worth letting someone else deal with all that shit.
I'd like to see them, too, however I expect them to be classified for at least 20 years, first.
Thank you, you may sit ;^D.
So...they shouldn't have documented it, or pretended they didn't? I'm not really sure where this idea came from that whatever the Admin does is sanction-free. No matter what is done, there will be repercussions, the only question is which ones?
If the press releases photos, then it's that org that will have to defend its provenance and truthfulness, not Obama. That alone imho, is worth letting someone else deal with all that shit.
I'd like to see them, too, however I expect them to be classified for at least 20 years, first.
farkmeblind: Thank you, you may sit ;^D.
So...they shouldn't have documented it, or pretended they didn't? I'm not really sure where this idea came from that whatever the Admin does is sanction-free. No matter what is done, there will be repercussions, the only question is which ones?
If the press releases photos, then it's that org that will have to defend its provenance and truthfulness, not Obama. That alone imho, is worth letting someone else deal with all that shit.
I'd like to see them, too, however I expect them to be classified for at least 20 years, first.
I think it was dead on to document it. That's why I thought it was a good reason to not just bomb out the complex. But I expected that they would release the imagery to the public. I just think they made a mistake in not releasing the images immediately.
So...they shouldn't have documented it, or pretended they didn't? I'm not really sure where this idea came from that whatever the Admin does is sanction-free. No matter what is done, there will be repercussions, the only question is which ones?
If the press releases photos, then it's that org that will have to defend its provenance and truthfulness, not Obama. That alone imho, is worth letting someone else deal with all that shit.
I'd like to see them, too, however I expect them to be classified for at least 20 years, first.
I think it was dead on to document it. That's why I thought it was a good reason to not just bomb out the complex. But I expected that they would release the imagery to the public. I just think they made a mistake in not releasing the images immediately.
untrustworthy: I think it was dead on to document it. That's why I thought it was a good reason to not just bomb out the complex. But I expected that they would release the imagery to the public. I just think they made a mistake in not releasing the images immediately.
I hear you I just don't agree. It might be something I could want, but I completely understand why not.
I hear you I just don't agree. It might be something I could want, but I completely understand why not.
farkmeblind: I think there are very good reasons for not having the Admin be the source of the photos, which I stated above. If Obama caved in to every person who accused him of not having balls, he might as well quit now. I am not reacting to this as "Daddy knows best" because that's not how I read the situation. YMMV.
/s'kinda funny though that you see it as patronizing patriarchalism and I don't
I'm not communicating very well, I fear. Let me try another angle...
If you're willing to send SEAL Team Six clear around the world to gun down a man in his bedroom, then you need to face any and all fallout head-on. After Obama's famous "We will kill Osama Bin Laden." statement, I (and many others, I expect) I had the understanding that killing the son of a bitch was a national priority, and that we'd be provided with documentary proof when the mission was completed.
Now, I'll concede that the burial at sea was a reasonable thing to do, but it just seems to me that the tone shifted from "kill the bastard" to "Holy shit - we certainly would not want to piss anybody off!".
I just need to brew a cup of tea and do some Zen meditation, I guess.
/s'kinda funny though that you see it as patronizing patriarchalism and I don't
I'm not communicating very well, I fear. Let me try another angle...
If you're willing to send SEAL Team Six clear around the world to gun down a man in his bedroom, then you need to face any and all fallout head-on. After Obama's famous "We will kill Osama Bin Laden." statement, I (and many others, I expect) I had the understanding that killing the son of a bitch was a national priority, and that we'd be provided with documentary proof when the mission was completed.
Now, I'll concede that the burial at sea was a reasonable thing to do, but it just seems to me that the tone shifted from "kill the bastard" to "Holy shit - we certainly would not want to piss anybody off!".
I just need to brew a cup of tea and do some Zen meditation, I guess.
farkmeblind: I hear you I just don't agree. It might be something I could want, but I completely understand why not.
Fair enough.
Fair enough.
farkmeblind: Then we would never have known how fugly Lynndie England was.
What was the bad part, again?
We would have lost out on one of the best parts of Arrested Development
What was the bad part, again?
We would have lost out on one of the best parts of Arrested Development
mtman900: Throw bodies in the ocean: Done to comply with Muslim burial guidelines, as to make it clear that we are not at war with Islam. Designed to offend the fewest people.
Probably been said, but there ain't any Muslim guidelines preferring a burial at sea. It is simply not within conflict with Islam.
And it was done so as not to produce a shrine, the terrorist version of Jim Morrison's grave.
Probably been said, but there ain't any Muslim guidelines preferring a burial at sea. It is simply not within conflict with Islam.
And it was done so as not to produce a shrine, the terrorist version of Jim Morrison's grave.
cranky bastard: I'm not communicating very well, I fear. Let me try another angle...
If you're willing to send SEAL Team Six clear around the world to gun down a man in his bedroom, then you need to face any and all fallout head-on. After Obama's famous "We will kill Osama Bin Laden." statement, I (and many others, I expect) I had the understanding that killing the son of a bitch was a national priority, and that we'd be provided with documentary proof when the mission was completed.
Now, I'll concede that the burial at sea was a reasonable thing to do, but it just seems to me that the tone shifted from "kill the bastard" to "Holy shit - we certainly would not want to piss anybody off!".
I just need to brew a cup of tea and do some Zen meditation, I guess.
Well, the tone had to shift, because we'd already killed the bastard.
I can just feel the frustration and I hear you, I do, but sometimes the job of the Pres is not to piss anyone off. When the photos are released there will be a shitstorm of "that's not him" and "I don't believe that's a gunshot wound, having seen many pixels in my time". I think the Admiin has other priorities rather than dealing with that fallout and if they can schlub it off on CNN or Reuters or Al-Jazeera by waiting 72 hours, that's a fair tradeoff from their POV.
I totally get that from your POV you want the pics published by the Admin. I'm just saying their priorities and yours may not be congruent at this time.
If you're willing to send SEAL Team Six clear around the world to gun down a man in his bedroom, then you need to face any and all fallout head-on. After Obama's famous "We will kill Osama Bin Laden." statement, I (and many others, I expect) I had the understanding that killing the son of a bitch was a national priority, and that we'd be provided with documentary proof when the mission was completed.
Now, I'll concede that the burial at sea was a reasonable thing to do, but it just seems to me that the tone shifted from "kill the bastard" to "Holy shit - we certainly would not want to piss anybody off!".
I just need to brew a cup of tea and do some Zen meditation, I guess.
Well, the tone had to shift, because we'd already killed the bastard.
I can just feel the frustration and I hear you, I do, but sometimes the job of the Pres is not to piss anyone off. When the photos are released there will be a shitstorm of "that's not him" and "I don't believe that's a gunshot wound, having seen many pixels in my time". I think the Admiin has other priorities rather than dealing with that fallout and if they can schlub it off on CNN or Reuters or Al-Jazeera by waiting 72 hours, that's a fair tradeoff from their POV.
I totally get that from your POV you want the pics published by the Admin. I'm just saying their priorities and yours may not be congruent at this time.
BTW, I was under no impression that the public would be provided documentary evidence within a timeframe of less than 10 years.
Fuck, we're still waiting for declassification of Kennedy-era documentation.
Fuck, we're still waiting for declassification of Kennedy-era documentation.
farkmeblind: I totally get that from your POV you want the pics published by the Admin. I'm just saying their priorities and yours may not be congruent at this time.
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Yep, yep, yep...
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It's easier to get forgiveness than permission.
cranky bastard: Yep, yep, yep...
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I drink gunpowder tea. It's not AS RELAXING AS I EXPECTED!!!
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I drink gunpowder tea. It's not AS RELAXING AS I EXPECTED!!!
Transparency.
untrustworthy: Just release the fuckin' photo. People aren't going to stop asking for them. And don't start up the fucking conspiracy theories.
Yup.
Yup.
Personally, I'm already tired of the story and am ready to move on. Don't need to see the pics. Don't care if he was armed.
Amazing that they apparently had contingencies for everything but this. Their wishy-washiness about it only makes them look feckless.
Amazing that they apparently had contingencies for everything but this. Their wishy-washiness about it only makes them look feckless.
"We train young men to drop fire on people. But their commanders won't allow them to write 'fuck' on their airplanes because it's obscene."
- Ted Kennedy
- Ted Kennedy
untrustworthy: It'll feed them.
So just release them already. They aren't going to reveal any national secrets. I think we have a right to the evidence.
So you think they might be lying? Isn't there better proof somehow?
So just release them already. They aren't going to reveal any national secrets. I think we have a right to the evidence.
So you think they might be lying? Isn't there better proof somehow?
quinblake: So you think they might be lying? Isn't there better proof somehow?
I'm kind of enjoying the ballsiness of "We did it, you have no proof to the contrary, STFU and deal, crybabies."
It won't last long, sadly.
I'm kind of enjoying the ballsiness of "We did it, you have no proof to the contrary, STFU and deal, crybabies."
It won't last long, sadly.
well if anyone can keep a mooselimb seekrit, it's our seekrit mooselimb!!
I didn't know we had so many Andrew Brietbarts posting on bN.
If OBL is alive he can just release another tape and make Obama look like a fool.
bucket of truth: If OBL is alive he can just release another tape and make Obama look like a fool.
I heard it is going to be released tomorrow.
I heard it is going to be released tomorrow.
bucket of truth: If OBL is alive he can just release another tape and make Obama look like a fool.
I started wondering almost immediately when the next tape would come out. You know Al Queso has a few in teh queue for just that reason.
I started wondering almost immediately when the next tape would come out. You know Al Queso has a few in teh queue for just that reason.
He'll release them eventually, probably before election time. He's probably giving the crazies something new to distract themselves with since the birth certificate thing is all passe now.
Good. I hate the collective ugliness this country expresses whenever we release photos of Saddam's dead sons or his hanging video or whatever.
Sorry, you can't have your gay murder fantasy erection. Not yours.
Sorry, you can't have your gay murder fantasy erection. Not yours.
bucket of truth: If OBL is alive he can just release another tape and make Obama look like a fool.
That sound you hear is the crushing weight of the obvious squeezing the wind out of a thousand myopic hack pundits.
That sound you hear is the crushing weight of the obvious squeezing the wind out of a thousand myopic hack pundits.
vushtrriboy: That sound you hear is the crushing weight of the obvious squeezing the wind out of a thousand myopic hack pundits.
Made me think of this
Made me think of this
libs keep banning me: Good. I hate the collective ugliness this country expresses whenever we release photos of Saddam's dead sons or his hanging video or whatever.
Sorry, you can't have your gay murder fantasy erection. Not yours.
The universe is hostile. So impersonal. Devour to survive.
So it is. So it's always been.
Sorry, you can't have your gay murder fantasy erection. Not yours.
The universe is hostile. So impersonal. Devour to survive.
So it is. So it's always been.
quinblake: The universe is hostile. So impersonal. Devour to survive.
So it is. So it's always been.
You rang, Clarice?
So it is. So it's always been.
You rang, Clarice?
What of releasing the graphic video of JFK getting shot? No one wanted "proof," it was just a historical day for our country. Release the damn photos.
farkmeblind: That's about as sexy as a shaved marmot in a ball pit.
Sexy is definitely in the eye of the beholder.
Sexy is definitely in the eye of the beholder.
He's afraid of the muslims
quinblake: Sexy is definitely in the eye of the beholder.
Yup, there's a marmot somewhere thinking "Gotta get me a piece of THAT*."
/*probably while still bloody and warm
Yup, there's a marmot somewhere thinking "Gotta get me a piece of THAT*."
/*probably while still bloody and warm
selectivedisclosure: What of releasing the graphic video of JFK getting shot? No one wanted "proof," it was just a historical day for our country. Release the damn photos.
It was released years later after all kinds of gyrations. Suspect these will be too. Someday.
It was released years later after all kinds of gyrations. Suspect these will be too. Someday.
finnley wren: It was released years later after all kinds of gyrations. Suspect these will be too. Someday.
Good point. I'm sure we won't have to wait years for these, but even if they are released I'll probably be scared to open the link. Those damn turrists are trolling us with viruses already!
Good point. I'm sure we won't have to wait years for these, but even if they are released I'll probably be scared to open the link. Those damn turrists are trolling us with viruses already!
Did someone already Link to the pictures of the others who died in the raid ? Yikes...pretty gross.
selectivedisclosure: Good point. I'm sure we won't have to wait years for these, but even if they are released I'll probably be scared to open the link. Those damn turrists are trolling us with viruses already!
This could be added to that list of "first world problems"?
This could be added to that list of "first world problems"?
CBS says they got their hands on some of the photos, but none of Bin Laden.
Warning: Graphic NSFW
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Photos apparently obtained by Reuters from a Pakistani guard who entered the compound in the early morning hours of Monday
Warning: Graphic NSFW
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Photos apparently obtained by Reuters from a Pakistani guard who entered the compound in the early morning hours of Monday
selectivedisclosure: Good point. I'm sure we won't have to wait years for these, but even if they are released I'll probably be scared to open the link. Those damn turrists are trolling us with viruses already!
What a diabolical idear.
What a diabolical idear.
selectivedisclosure: Did someone already Link to the pictures of the others who died in the raid ? Yikes...pretty gross.
mtbhucker: Damn. Beat me by a minute.
Oops, meant to reply to selectivedisclosure
mtbhucker: Damn. Beat me by a minute.
Oops, meant to reply to selectivedisclosure
Love what the news services are doing releasing these other photos. Basically they're saying, "Mr. President. We can take it."
finnley wren: Love what the news services are doing releasing these other photos. Basically they're saying, "Mr. President. We can take it."
I think that's great. Mouthbreathers are more likely to believe CNN than however they're misspelling "Obama" today, anyway.
I think that's great. Mouthbreathers are more likely to believe CNN than however they're misspelling "Obama" today, anyway.
strikitrich: Good. At first I wanted proof myself, but after thinking about it I realized that the pictures would only inflame the Muslims. Why bury Osama at sea to prevent creating a shrine only to further martyr him with the release of the pics?
You pathetic, scared little child.
You think THAT would make little muslim wuslims unhappy? As if, the extremists didn't already hate us enough?
You pathetic, scared little child.
You think THAT would make little muslim wuslims unhappy? As if, the extremists didn't already hate us enough?
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