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    so vote republican 6688 2011-09-06 15:27:42.0 login to vote score 1
    The hypocrisy amuses me.
    keerbip 4358 2011-09-06 15:29:03.0 login to vote score 3
    "It is inconceivable that the president did not understand the violent and murderous speech being made in his honor, and ignoring such offensive and delusional speech, makes it seem as if he approves," Dr. John Long, spokesman for the Florida Tea Party, said in a statement.

    "We came unarmed to request an apology... this time."


    muninsfire 189 2011-09-06 15:30:15.0 login to vote score 4
    So because the president made a speech in the same city on the same day, the teahadis want an apology from the white house?

    Perhaps when they apologise to me for farting in the same air on the same day that my nose was in it...
    untrustworthy 1 2011-09-06 15:34:48.0 login to vote score 1
    muninsfire: So because the president made a speech in the same city on the same day, the teahadis want an apology from the white house?

    RTA. It was the same venue and his speech took place before the president took the same stage to make a speech. The president would have likely heard what was said.
    the number 6534 2011-09-06 15:35:31.0 login to vote score 5
    "President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. ... Let's take these son-of-a-bitches out and give America back to an America where we belong."

    I notice ellipses.
    ambition chicken 290 2011-09-06 15:37:51.0 login to vote score 0
    untrustworthy: RTA. It was the same venue and his speech took place before the president took the same stage to make a speech. The president would have likely heard what was said.

    Somehow, I don't think so. V.I.P of his type requiring high security are hushed reallly fast between places and events. For all we know, he just came out his limo or wherever to do is speech before being displaced again.
    untrustworthy 1 2011-09-06 15:39:48.0 login to vote score 0
    ambition chicken: Somehow, I don't think so. V.I.P of his type requiring high security are hushed reallly fast between places and events. For all we know, he just came out his limo or wherever to do is speech before being displaced again.

    That's possible too, I suppose. I'm not sure if the president immediately took the stage or if he was not present for the speech. But it was the same venue, which is more than just the "same city on the same day," as munins represented.
    so vote republican 6688 2011-09-06 15:42:48.0 login to vote score 2
    ambition chicken: Somehow, I don't think so. V.I.P of his type requiring high security are hushed reallly fast between places and events. For all we know, he just came out his limo or wherever to do is speech before being displaced again.

    That's probably how that "Mission Accomplished" banner got up. I'm sure Bush didn't even know it was there!
    pass the bacon 3512 2011-09-06 15:46:17.0 login to vote score 0
    I still don't see what Hoffa said that requires an apology.

    It's no different than the rhetoric the TP uses.
    untrustworthy 1 2011-09-06 15:48:19.0 login to vote score 0
    pass the bacon: I still don't see what Hoffa said that requires an apology.

    It's no different than the rhetoric the TP uses.


    Well that's the issue. There was a call for defusing the rhetoric awhile back. But whether that is still has merit is questionable.

    Personally, I don't give a fuck about rhetoric.
    gahbrone 481 2011-09-06 15:48:45.0 login to vote score 0
    untrustworthy: That's possible too, I suppose. I'm not sure if the president immediately took the stage or if he was not present for the speech. But it was the same venue, which is more than just the "same city on the same day," as munins represented.

    How much do you want to bet that if he someone managed not to hear it then, that he has heard it since... and has refused to condemn the remark.
    gahbrone 481 2011-09-06 15:49:14.0 login to vote score 0
    pass the bacon: I still don't see what Hoffa said that requires an apology.

    It's no different than the rhetoric the TP uses.


    source?
    untrustworthy 1 2011-09-06 15:51:55.0 login to vote score 0
    gahbrone: How much do you want to bet that if he someone managed not to hear it then, that he has heard it since... and has refused to condemn the remark.

    I know he praised Hoffa when he took the stage, but his remarks may not have been in reflection to what was actually said. But I expect that Obama has heard the speech since then.
    gahbrone 481 2011-09-06 15:53:24.0 login to vote score 0
    untrustworthy: I know he praised Hoffa when he took the stage, but his remarks may not have been in reflection to what was actually said. But I expect that Obama has heard the speech since then.

    Sure, but that's not what I was saying... for sake of argument I'm saying "fine, maybe he didn't hear it then"... But he has absolutely heard it since, and he refuses to condemn it.
    gahbrone 481 2011-09-06 15:54:29.0 login to vote score 0
    And for the record, there is no equivalence to any tea party group as powerful as Hoffa is to the left. I dare say there is no equivalence at all. And I challenge you to prove me wrong.
    surfnazi 932 2011-09-06 15:55:46.0 login to vote score 2
    gahbrone: How much do you want to bet that if he someone managed not to hear it then, that he has heard it since... and has refused to condemn the remark.

    Refused to condemn... that sort of "anger bait" has produced some fine results.
    willywanka 274 2011-09-06 15:56:11.0 login to vote score 1
    Bobby for prez...




    strayling 20 2011-09-06 15:57:04.0 login to vote score 2
    gahbrone: source?

    Will these do?

    "I want people in Minnesota armed and dangerous"

    "Shoot with accuracy; aim high and remember it takes blood, sweat and tears to win"

    "No matter how tough it gets, never retreat, instead RELOAD!"
    fatsean 3838 2011-09-06 15:57:20.0 login to vote score 0
    surfnazi: Refused to condemn... that sort of "anger bait" has produced some fine results.

    Where is the Moderate White House outrage?!

    /vintage

    fatsean 3838 2011-09-06 15:58:02.0 login to vote score 2
    gahbrone: And for the record, there is no equivalence to any tea party group as powerful as Hoffa is to the left. I dare say there is no equivalence at all. And I challenge you to prove me wrong.

    You made the claim, you back it up. Until then, you're the same ol' liar.
    gahbrone 481 2011-09-06 15:59:33.0 login to vote score 0
    strayling: Will these do?

    "I want people in Minnesota armed and dangerous"


    Odd how you didn't source those... it's almost as if you were trying to hide the actual quote.

    "I want people in Minnesota armed and dangerous on this issue of the energy tax because we need to fight back. "
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/23/michele-bachmann-i-want-p_n_178156.html
    gahbrone 481 2011-09-06 15:59:57.0 login to vote score 0
    fatsean: You made the claim, you back it up. Until then, you're the same ol' liar.

    One can't prove a negative.
    gahbrone 481 2011-09-06 16:00:16.0 login to vote score 0
    fatsean: You made the claim, you back it up. Until then, you're the same ol' liar.

    That's like me trying to prove you have a brain.
    strayling 20 2011-09-06 16:00:45.0 login to vote score 2
    gahbrone: Odd how you didn't source those... it's almost as if you were trying to hide the actual quote.

    "I want people in Minnesota armed and dangerous on this issue of the energy tax because we need to fight back. "
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/23/michele-bachmann-i-want-p_n_178156.html


    Well if the TP can ignore the bit about "jobs, jobs, jobs" I can ignore that. Turn about is fair play.
    gahbrone 481 2011-09-06 16:04:15.0 login to vote score 0
    strayling: Well if the TP can ignore the bit about "jobs, jobs, jobs" I can ignore that. Turn about is fair play.

    there's nothing to ignore in his quote.

    The entire quote: "President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. Let's take these son of bitches out and give America back to an America where we belong,"
    strayling 20 2011-09-06 16:08:22.0 login to vote score 1
    gahbrone: there's nothing to ignore in his quote.

    The entire quote: "President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. Let's take these son of bitches out and give America back to an America where we belong,"


    Apart from the context, which you managed to do quite admirably.

    Do explain how "armed and dangerous" doesn't mean armed and dangerous. I could use a laugh.
    ambition chicken 290 2011-09-06 16:08:22.0 login to vote score 2
    gahbrone: there's nothing to ignore in his quote.

    The entire quote: "President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. Let's take these son of bitches out and give America back to an America where we belong,"


    "WH is not you personal army"

    ~ Ted Kennedy
    zolividor 642 2011-09-06 16:09:14.0 login to vote score 3

    deathbycable 1914 2011-09-06 16:13:30.0 login to vote score 3
    gahbrone: there's nothing to ignore in his quote.

    The entire quote: "President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. Let's take these son of bitches out and give America back to an America where we belong,"


    And now, the rest of the story:

    "As Media Matters for America points out, the clip being used by Fox is very obviously cut, removing the remarks right before the “sons of bitches” sentence. Fox News reporters themselves are on record as admitting the full quote was “Everybody here’s got to vote. If we go back and keep the eye on the prize, let’s take these son of a bitches out and give America back to America where we belong! Thank you very much!” Rather than the call to violence Fox News anchors and spokespeople are claiming, it was actually a call to vote. But that’s not stopping the propaganda machine from saying otherwise."

    Read more: http://www.care2.com/causes/fox-news-edits-union-speech-to-sound-like-it-incites-violence.html#ixzz1XDVgxEND

    gahbrone 481 2011-09-06 16:16:14.0 login to vote score 0
    deathbycable: And now, the rest of the story:

    "As Media Matters for America points out, the clip being used by Fox is very obviously cut, removing the remarks right before the “sons of bitches” sentence. Fox News reporters themselves are on record as admitting the full quote was “Everybody here’s got to vote. If we go back and keep the eye on the prize, let’s take these son of a bitches out and give America back to America where we belong! Thank you very much!” Rather than the call to violence Fox News anchors and spokespeople are claiming, it was actually a call to vote. But that’s not stopping the propaganda machine from saying otherwise."

    Read more: http://www.care2.com/causes/fox-news-edits-union-speech-to-sound-like-it-incites-violence.html#ixzz1XDVgxEND


    He meant, take these sons of bitches out for dinner and a BJ. I guess.
    surfnazi 932 2011-09-06 16:17:45.0 login to vote score 2
    gahbrone: He meant, take these sons of bitches out for dinner and a BJ. I guess.

    You and I both know he meant to vote them to death with their ballot rifles.
    gahbrone 481 2011-09-06 16:27:29.0 login to vote score 0
    surfnazi: You and I both know he meant to vote them to death with their ballot rifles.

    lipstick on a pig, it is.
    so vote republican 6688 2011-09-06 16:34:22.0 login to vote score 0
    gahbrone: lipstick on a pig, it is.

    I don't think you want to get stuck to *that* tar baby.
    so vote republican 6688 2011-09-06 16:35:01.0 login to vote score 0

    gahbrone 481 2011-09-06 16:36:31.0 login to vote score 0
    so vote republican: I don't think you want to get stuck to *that* tar baby.

    As long as it doesn't get stuck into a 20year olds vagina like a cheap cigar, we're good.
    quinblake 1476 2011-09-06 16:45:25.0 login to vote score 1
    in remarks that preceeeded President Obama's speech

    Philly.com is not big on the spellcheck apparently.
    quinblake 1476 2011-09-06 16:47:47.0 login to vote score 0
    the number: "President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. ... Let's take these son-of-a-bitches out and give America back to an America where we belong."

    I notice ellipses.


    I fucking hate ellipses.
    quinblake 1476 2011-09-06 16:49:26.0 login to vote score 0
    gahbrone: And for the record, there is no equivalence to any tea party group as powerful as Hoffa is to the left. I dare say there is no equivalence at all. And I challenge you to prove me wrong.

    What do I win?
    paranoyd 6555 2011-09-06 16:52:15.0 login to vote score 1
    pass the bacon: I still don't see what Hoffa said that requires an apology.

    It's no different than the rhetoric the TP uses.


    Actually, it is different - he referred to voting people out, the Tea Party tends to mentioning using more violent means.
    cannonhawk 849 2011-09-06 16:53:24.0 login to vote score 1
    gahbrone > phil
    cannonhawk 849 2011-09-06 16:54:23.0 login to vote score 1
    quinblake: What do I win?

    All he'd give you is his brone.
    muninsfire 189 2011-09-06 17:00:04.0 login to vote score 2
    untrustworthy: RTA. It was the same venue and his speech took place before the president took the same stage to make a speech. The president would have likely heard what was said.

    So? Is the president responsible for the content of others' speeches?

    I don't recall anyone apologizing for W's speeches, back in the day.
    tunk87 1067 2011-09-06 17:04:02.0 login to vote score 0
    It's a good thing this wasn't a Republican or Tea Party rally because certain people in this thread would be screaming about hateful dangerous rhetoric........instead of defending it.


    I guess two wrongs do make a right in some peoples minds.
    farkmeblind 482 2011-09-06 17:05:45.0 login to vote score 2
    tunk87: It's a good thing this wasn't a Republican or Tea Party rally because certain people in this thread would be screaming about hateful dangerous rhetoric........instead of defending it.


    I guess two wrongs do make a right in some peoples minds.


    "Vote them out" is more dangerous rhetoric than "don't retreat, reload"?

    There's no shill like a shrill shill.
    sabine 745 2011-09-06 17:11:34.0 login to vote score 2
    gahbrone: I challenge you to prove me wrong.

    Senator Tom Coburn of Oklahoma was a guest on Meet The Press on August 16, 2009. Here's the transcript.

    Q: There have been death threats against members of Congress [...] there was this image this week outside of Portsmouth, New Hampshire, a town hall event that the president had, this man with a gun strapped to his leg held that sign, "It is time to water the tree of liberty." [...] Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber, had that very quote on his shirt the day of the bombing of the Murrah building when 168 people were killed.

    Senator Coburn, you are from Oklahoma. When this element comes out in larger numbers because of this debate, what, what troubles you about that?

    A: Well, I'm, I'm troubled anytime when we, we stop having confidence in, in our government. But we've earned it. [...]

    Q: [...] I am talking about violence against the government. That's what this is synonymous with.

    A: [T]he tone is based on fear of loss of control of their own government.

    Wouldn't you expect a Senator to manage to find something more troubling about death threats against politicians than that?
    gahbrone 481 2011-09-06 17:13:27.0 login to vote score 0
    sabine:

    Obama never gave a speech about "changing the tone in of our politics"
    sabine 745 2011-09-06 17:17:06.0 login to vote score 1
    gahbrone: Obama never gave a speech about "changing the tone in of our politics"

    "As I’ve said before, no person, no party, has a monopoly on wisdom. And that’s why I’m eager to hear good ideas wherever they come from, whoever proposes them. And that’s why I believe it’s important to have an honest and civil debate about the choices that we face. That’s why I want to engage both Democrats and Republicans in serious conversations about where we’re going as a nation."

    - press conference, 2010.11.03
    fatsean 3838 2011-09-06 17:17:21.0 login to vote score 0
    muninsfire: So? Is the president responsible for the content of others' speeches?

    I don't recall anyone apologizing for W's speeches, back in the day.


    Where is the moderate Presidential outrage?!


    farkmeblind: "Vote them out" is more dangerous rhetoric than "don't retreat, reload"?

    There's no shill like a shrill shill.


    Barry "Saddam" Hussein Obamao is not amused by their shenanigans :)
    gahbrone 481 2011-09-06 17:19:54.0 login to vote score 0
    sabine: "As I’ve said before, no person, no party, has a monopoly on wisdom. And that’s why I’m eager to hear good ideas wherever they come from, whoever proposes them. And that’s why I believe it’s important to have an honest and civil debate about the choices that we face. That’s why I want to engage both Democrats and Republicans in serious conversations about where we’re going as a nation."

    - press conference, 2010.11.03


    And he's so clearly done that in this circumstance or with his vice president

    http://www.hapblog.com/2011/09/biden-at-afl-cio-rally-you-are-only.html




    farkmeblind 482 2011-09-06 17:20:35.0 login to vote score 2
    fatsean: Where is the moderate Presidential outrage?!

    Barry "Saddam" Hussein Obamao is not amused by their shenanigans :)


    Well, he would be if he was an American.
    so vote republican 6688 2011-09-06 17:24:27.0 login to vote score 2
    You know, it seems like America still has one manufacturing industry cornered: outrage.

    Are we really coming down to comparing rhetoric? Is that all we've got left?
    brazil 316 2011-09-06 17:30:08.0 login to vote score 0
    so vote republican: You know, it seems like America still has one manufacturing industry cornered: outrage.

    Are we really coming down to comparing rhetoric? Is that all we've got left?


    Do we really want to export more of this?

    tunk87 1067 2011-09-06 17:30:59.0 login to vote score 0
    farkmeblind: "Vote them out" is more dangerous rhetoric than "don't retreat, reload"?

    There's no shill like a shrill shill.


    That's not what I said.

    If you're going to respond to something, it's usually nice if you at least address what they wrote.
    chaos 446 2011-09-06 17:33:03.0 login to vote score 1
    so vote republican: You know, it seems like America still has one manufacturing industry cornered: outrage.

    Are we really coming down to comparing rhetoric? Is that all we've got left?


    Sure looks like it - when politics arise at work, I GTFO.
    farkmeblind 482 2011-09-06 17:33:27.0 login to vote score 0
    tunk87: That's not what I said.

    If you're going to respond to something, it's usually nice if you at least address what they wrote.


    Better people than you have tried that dodge, cupcake. Try again.
    fatsean 3838 2011-09-06 17:45:11.0 login to vote score 0
    so vote republican: You know, it seems like America still has one manufacturing industry cornered: outrage.

    Are we really coming down to comparing rhetoric? Is that all we've got left?


    And people say America doesn't manufacture anything anymore...

    tunk87 1067 2011-09-06 17:46:11.0 login to vote score 0
    farkmeblind: Better people than you have tried that dodge, cupcake. Try again.

    and yet you still don't address what I wrote. Nice dodge.

    Typical.
    paranoyd 6555 2011-09-06 17:52:38.0 login to vote score 0
    fatsean: And people say America doesn't manufacture anything anymore...

    What are you saying; that you hate America? Why you hate America, fatsean? Why?
    farkmeblind 482 2011-09-06 17:55:17.0 login to vote score 0
    tunk87: and yet you still don't address what I wrote. Nice dodge.

    Typical.


    Since you are parroting what I wrote to you, I shall take it as the sincerest form of flattery that the unoriginal can produce. Thank you for acknowledging exactly how correct I am, was, and forever will be. There's hope for you yet. Maybe.
    jimmythehutt 2751 2011-09-06 17:57:45.0 login to vote score 0
    brazil: Do we really want to export more of this?

    It seems profitable.
    fatsean 3838 2011-09-06 18:02:34.0 login to vote score 1
    paranoyd: What are you saying; that you hate America? Why you hate America, fatsean? Why?

    America hated me first! They started it!
    tunk87 1067 2011-09-06 18:03:23.0 login to vote score 1
    farkmeblind: Since you are parroting what I wrote to you, I shall take it as the sincerest form of flattery that the unoriginal can produce. Thank you for acknowledging exactly how correct I am, was, and forever will be. There's hope for you yet. Maybe.

    It's bullshit comments like this why I usually don't engage you in these types of threads.

    You also have yet to ever address the original comment I made in this thread. Instead you tried to turn it into a claim I did not make. When that is pointed out to you, you post smarmy shit like this.

    Either actually address the clear statement I made or ignore me.
    farkmeblind 482 2011-09-06 18:14:00.0 login to vote score 0
    tunk87: It's bullshit comments like this why I usually don't engage you in these types of threads.

    You also have yet to ever address the original comment I made in this thread. Instead you tried to turn it into a claim I did not make. When that is pointed out to you, you post smarmy shit like this.

    Either actually address the clear statement I made or ignore me.


    Make me.
    farkmeblind 482 2011-09-06 18:24:50.0 login to vote score 0
    Hehehehe, you know, the "I'm going to force you to do X" doesn't work so well on the internet.
    antialias 3250 2011-09-06 18:30:21.0 login to vote score 2
    farkmeblind: Hehehehe, you know, the "I'm going to force you to do X" doesn't work so well on the internet.

    Forced, FORCED to X!
    farkmeblind 482 2011-09-06 18:45:12.0 login to vote score 0
    antialias: Forced, FORCED to X!

    I'm in ur Y Xin' ur Z
    If you logged in, you could post here.