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The hypocrisy amuses me.
"It is inconceivable that the president did not understand the violent and murderous speech being made in his honor, and ignoring such offensive and delusional speech, makes it seem as if he approves," Dr. John Long, spokesman for the Florida Tea Party, said in a statement.
"We came unarmed to request an apology... this time."
"We came unarmed to request an apology... this time."
So because the president made a speech in the same city on the same day, the teahadis want an apology from the white house?
Perhaps when they apologise to me for farting in the same air on the same day that my nose was in it...
Perhaps when they apologise to me for farting in the same air on the same day that my nose was in it...
muninsfire: So because the president made a speech in the same city on the same day, the teahadis want an apology from the white house?
RTA. It was the same venue and his speech took place before the president took the same stage to make a speech. The president would have likely heard what was said.
RTA. It was the same venue and his speech took place before the president took the same stage to make a speech. The president would have likely heard what was said.
"President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. ... Let's take these son-of-a-bitches out and give America back to an America where we belong."
I notice ellipses.
I notice ellipses.
untrustworthy: RTA. It was the same venue and his speech took place before the president took the same stage to make a speech. The president would have likely heard what was said.
Somehow, I don't think so. V.I.P of his type requiring high security are hushed reallly fast between places and events. For all we know, he just came out his limo or wherever to do is speech before being displaced again.
Somehow, I don't think so. V.I.P of his type requiring high security are hushed reallly fast between places and events. For all we know, he just came out his limo or wherever to do is speech before being displaced again.
ambition chicken: Somehow, I don't think so. V.I.P of his type requiring high security are hushed reallly fast between places and events. For all we know, he just came out his limo or wherever to do is speech before being displaced again.
That's possible too, I suppose. I'm not sure if the president immediately took the stage or if he was not present for the speech. But it was the same venue, which is more than just the "same city on the same day," as munins represented.
That's possible too, I suppose. I'm not sure if the president immediately took the stage or if he was not present for the speech. But it was the same venue, which is more than just the "same city on the same day," as munins represented.
ambition chicken: Somehow, I don't think so. V.I.P of his type requiring high security are hushed reallly fast between places and events. For all we know, he just came out his limo or wherever to do is speech before being displaced again.
That's probably how that "Mission Accomplished" banner got up. I'm sure Bush didn't even know it was there!
That's probably how that "Mission Accomplished" banner got up. I'm sure Bush didn't even know it was there!
I still don't see what Hoffa said that requires an apology.
It's no different than the rhetoric the TP uses.
It's no different than the rhetoric the TP uses.
pass the bacon: I still don't see what Hoffa said that requires an apology.
It's no different than the rhetoric the TP uses.
Well that's the issue. There was a call for defusing the rhetoric awhile back. But whether that is still has merit is questionable.
Personally, I don't give a fuck about rhetoric.
It's no different than the rhetoric the TP uses.
Well that's the issue. There was a call for defusing the rhetoric awhile back. But whether that is still has merit is questionable.
Personally, I don't give a fuck about rhetoric.
untrustworthy: That's possible too, I suppose. I'm not sure if the president immediately took the stage or if he was not present for the speech. But it was the same venue, which is more than just the "same city on the same day," as munins represented.
How much do you want to bet that if he someone managed not to hear it then, that he has heard it since... and has refused to condemn the remark.
How much do you want to bet that if he someone managed not to hear it then, that he has heard it since... and has refused to condemn the remark.
pass the bacon: I still don't see what Hoffa said that requires an apology.
It's no different than the rhetoric the TP uses.
source?
It's no different than the rhetoric the TP uses.
source?
gahbrone: How much do you want to bet that if he someone managed not to hear it then, that he has heard it since... and has refused to condemn the remark.
I know he praised Hoffa when he took the stage, but his remarks may not have been in reflection to what was actually said. But I expect that Obama has heard the speech since then.
I know he praised Hoffa when he took the stage, but his remarks may not have been in reflection to what was actually said. But I expect that Obama has heard the speech since then.
untrustworthy: I know he praised Hoffa when he took the stage, but his remarks may not have been in reflection to what was actually said. But I expect that Obama has heard the speech since then.
Sure, but that's not what I was saying... for sake of argument I'm saying "fine, maybe he didn't hear it then"... But he has absolutely heard it since, and he refuses to condemn it.
Sure, but that's not what I was saying... for sake of argument I'm saying "fine, maybe he didn't hear it then"... But he has absolutely heard it since, and he refuses to condemn it.
And for the record, there is no equivalence to any tea party group as powerful as Hoffa is to the left. I dare say there is no equivalence at all. And I challenge you to prove me wrong.
gahbrone: How much do you want to bet that if he someone managed not to hear it then, that he has heard it since... and has refused to condemn the remark.
Refused to condemn... that sort of "anger bait" has produced some fine results.
Refused to condemn... that sort of "anger bait" has produced some fine results.
gahbrone: source?
Will these do?
"I want people in Minnesota armed and dangerous"
"Shoot with accuracy; aim high and remember it takes blood, sweat and tears to win"
"No matter how tough it gets, never retreat, instead RELOAD!"
Will these do?
"I want people in Minnesota armed and dangerous"
"Shoot with accuracy; aim high and remember it takes blood, sweat and tears to win"
"No matter how tough it gets, never retreat, instead RELOAD!"
surfnazi: Refused to condemn... that sort of "anger bait" has produced some fine results.
Where is the Moderate White House outrage?!
/vintage
Where is the Moderate White House outrage?!
/vintage
gahbrone: And for the record, there is no equivalence to any tea party group as powerful as Hoffa is to the left. I dare say there is no equivalence at all. And I challenge you to prove me wrong.
You made the claim, you back it up. Until then, you're the same ol' liar.
You made the claim, you back it up. Until then, you're the same ol' liar.
strayling: Will these do?
"I want people in Minnesota armed and dangerous"
Odd how you didn't source those... it's almost as if you were trying to hide the actual quote.
"I want people in Minnesota armed and dangerous on this issue of the energy tax because we need to fight back. "
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/23/michele-bachmann-i-want-p_n_178156.html
"I want people in Minnesota armed and dangerous"
Odd how you didn't source those... it's almost as if you were trying to hide the actual quote.
"I want people in Minnesota armed and dangerous on this issue of the energy tax because we need to fight back. "
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/23/michele-bachmann-i-want-p_n_178156.html
fatsean: You made the claim, you back it up. Until then, you're the same ol' liar.
One can't prove a negative.
One can't prove a negative.
fatsean: You made the claim, you back it up. Until then, you're the same ol' liar.
That's like me trying to prove you have a brain.
That's like me trying to prove you have a brain.
gahbrone: Odd how you didn't source those... it's almost as if you were trying to hide the actual quote.
"I want people in Minnesota armed and dangerous on this issue of the energy tax because we need to fight back. "
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/23/michele-bachmann-i-want-p_n_178156.html
Well if the TP can ignore the bit about "jobs, jobs, jobs" I can ignore that. Turn about is fair play.
"I want people in Minnesota armed and dangerous on this issue of the energy tax because we need to fight back. "
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/23/michele-bachmann-i-want-p_n_178156.html
Well if the TP can ignore the bit about "jobs, jobs, jobs" I can ignore that. Turn about is fair play.
strayling: Well if the TP can ignore the bit about "jobs, jobs, jobs" I can ignore that. Turn about is fair play.
there's nothing to ignore in his quote.
The entire quote: "President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. Let's take these son of bitches out and give America back to an America where we belong,"
there's nothing to ignore in his quote.
The entire quote: "President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. Let's take these son of bitches out and give America back to an America where we belong,"
gahbrone: there's nothing to ignore in his quote.
The entire quote: "President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. Let's take these son of bitches out and give America back to an America where we belong,"
Apart from the context, which you managed to do quite admirably.
Do explain how "armed and dangerous" doesn't mean armed and dangerous. I could use a laugh.
The entire quote: "President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. Let's take these son of bitches out and give America back to an America where we belong,"
Apart from the context, which you managed to do quite admirably.
Do explain how "armed and dangerous" doesn't mean armed and dangerous. I could use a laugh.
gahbrone: there's nothing to ignore in his quote.
The entire quote: "President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. Let's take these son of bitches out and give America back to an America where we belong,"
"WH is not you personal army"
~ Ted Kennedy
The entire quote: "President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. Let's take these son of bitches out and give America back to an America where we belong,"
"WH is not you personal army"
~ Ted Kennedy
gahbrone: there's nothing to ignore in his quote.
The entire quote: "President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. Let's take these son of bitches out and give America back to an America where we belong,"
And now, the rest of the story:
"As Media Matters for America points out, the clip being used by Fox is very obviously cut, removing the remarks right before the “sons of bitches” sentence. Fox News reporters themselves are on record as admitting the full quote was “Everybody here’s got to vote. If we go back and keep the eye on the prize, let’s take these son of a bitches out and give America back to America where we belong! Thank you very much!” Rather than the call to violence Fox News anchors and spokespeople are claiming, it was actually a call to vote. But that’s not stopping the propaganda machine from saying otherwise."
Read more: http://www.care2.com/causes/fox-news-edits-union-speech-to-sound-like-it-incites-violence.html#ixzz1XDVgxEND
The entire quote: "President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. Let's take these son of bitches out and give America back to an America where we belong,"
And now, the rest of the story:
"As Media Matters for America points out, the clip being used by Fox is very obviously cut, removing the remarks right before the “sons of bitches” sentence. Fox News reporters themselves are on record as admitting the full quote was “Everybody here’s got to vote. If we go back and keep the eye on the prize, let’s take these son of a bitches out and give America back to America where we belong! Thank you very much!” Rather than the call to violence Fox News anchors and spokespeople are claiming, it was actually a call to vote. But that’s not stopping the propaganda machine from saying otherwise."
Read more: http://www.care2.com/causes/fox-news-edits-union-speech-to-sound-like-it-incites-violence.html#ixzz1XDVgxEND
deathbycable: And now, the rest of the story:
"As Media Matters for America points out, the clip being used by Fox is very obviously cut, removing the remarks right before the “sons of bitches” sentence. Fox News reporters themselves are on record as admitting the full quote was “Everybody here’s got to vote. If we go back and keep the eye on the prize, let’s take these son of a bitches out and give America back to America where we belong! Thank you very much!” Rather than the call to violence Fox News anchors and spokespeople are claiming, it was actually a call to vote. But that’s not stopping the propaganda machine from saying otherwise."
Read more: http://www.care2.com/causes/fox-news-edits-union-speech-to-sound-like-it-incites-violence.html#ixzz1XDVgxEND
He meant, take these sons of bitches out for dinner and a BJ. I guess.
"As Media Matters for America points out, the clip being used by Fox is very obviously cut, removing the remarks right before the “sons of bitches” sentence. Fox News reporters themselves are on record as admitting the full quote was “Everybody here’s got to vote. If we go back and keep the eye on the prize, let’s take these son of a bitches out and give America back to America where we belong! Thank you very much!” Rather than the call to violence Fox News anchors and spokespeople are claiming, it was actually a call to vote. But that’s not stopping the propaganda machine from saying otherwise."
Read more: http://www.care2.com/causes/fox-news-edits-union-speech-to-sound-like-it-incites-violence.html#ixzz1XDVgxEND
He meant, take these sons of bitches out for dinner and a BJ. I guess.
gahbrone: He meant, take these sons of bitches out for dinner and a BJ. I guess.
You and I both know he meant to vote them to death with their ballot rifles.
You and I both know he meant to vote them to death with their ballot rifles.
surfnazi: You and I both know he meant to vote them to death with their ballot rifles.
lipstick on a pig, it is.
lipstick on a pig, it is.
so vote republican: I don't think you want to get stuck to *that* tar baby.
As long as it doesn't get stuck into a 20year olds vagina like a cheap cigar, we're good.
As long as it doesn't get stuck into a 20year olds vagina like a cheap cigar, we're good.
in remarks that preceeeded President Obama's speech
Philly.com is not big on the spellcheck apparently.
Philly.com is not big on the spellcheck apparently.
the number: "President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. ... Let's take these son-of-a-bitches out and give America back to an America where we belong."
I notice ellipses.
I fucking hate ellipses.
I notice ellipses.
I fucking hate ellipses.
gahbrone: And for the record, there is no equivalence to any tea party group as powerful as Hoffa is to the left. I dare say there is no equivalence at all. And I challenge you to prove me wrong.
What do I win?
What do I win?
pass the bacon: I still don't see what Hoffa said that requires an apology.
It's no different than the rhetoric the TP uses.
Actually, it is different - he referred to voting people out, the Tea Party tends to mentioning using more violent means.
It's no different than the rhetoric the TP uses.
Actually, it is different - he referred to voting people out, the Tea Party tends to mentioning using more violent means.
gahbrone > phil
untrustworthy: RTA. It was the same venue and his speech took place before the president took the same stage to make a speech. The president would have likely heard what was said.
So? Is the president responsible for the content of others' speeches?
I don't recall anyone apologizing for W's speeches, back in the day.
So? Is the president responsible for the content of others' speeches?
I don't recall anyone apologizing for W's speeches, back in the day.
It's a good thing this wasn't a Republican or Tea Party rally because certain people in this thread would be screaming about hateful dangerous rhetoric........instead of defending it.
I guess two wrongs do make a right in some peoples minds.
I guess two wrongs do make a right in some peoples minds.
tunk87: It's a good thing this wasn't a Republican or Tea Party rally because certain people in this thread would be screaming about hateful dangerous rhetoric........instead of defending it.
I guess two wrongs do make a right in some peoples minds.
"Vote them out" is more dangerous rhetoric than "don't retreat, reload"?
There's no shill like a shrill shill.
I guess two wrongs do make a right in some peoples minds.
"Vote them out" is more dangerous rhetoric than "don't retreat, reload"?
There's no shill like a shrill shill.
gahbrone: I challenge you to prove me wrong.
Senator Tom Coburn of Oklahoma was a guest on Meet The Press on August 16, 2009. Here's the transcript.
Q: There have been death threats against members of Congress [...] there was this image this week outside of Portsmouth, New Hampshire, a town hall event that the president had, this man with a gun strapped to his leg held that sign, "It is time to water the tree of liberty." [...] Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber, had that very quote on his shirt the day of the bombing of the Murrah building when 168 people were killed.
Senator Coburn, you are from Oklahoma. When this element comes out in larger numbers because of this debate, what, what troubles you about that?
A: Well, I'm, I'm troubled anytime when we, we stop having confidence in, in our government. But we've earned it. [...]
Q: [...] I am talking about violence against the government. That's what this is synonymous with.
A: [T]he tone is based on fear of loss of control of their own government.
Wouldn't you expect a Senator to manage to find something more troubling about death threats against politicians than that?
Senator Tom Coburn of Oklahoma was a guest on Meet The Press on August 16, 2009. Here's the transcript.
Q: There have been death threats against members of Congress [...] there was this image this week outside of Portsmouth, New Hampshire, a town hall event that the president had, this man with a gun strapped to his leg held that sign, "It is time to water the tree of liberty." [...] Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber, had that very quote on his shirt the day of the bombing of the Murrah building when 168 people were killed.
Senator Coburn, you are from Oklahoma. When this element comes out in larger numbers because of this debate, what, what troubles you about that?
A: Well, I'm, I'm troubled anytime when we, we stop having confidence in, in our government. But we've earned it. [...]
Q: [...] I am talking about violence against the government. That's what this is synonymous with.
A: [T]he tone is based on fear of loss of control of their own government.
Wouldn't you expect a Senator to manage to find something more troubling about death threats against politicians than that?
gahbrone: Obama never gave a speech about "changing the tone in of our politics"
"As I’ve said before, no person, no party, has a monopoly on wisdom. And that’s why I’m eager to hear good ideas wherever they come from, whoever proposes them. And that’s why I believe it’s important to have an honest and civil debate about the choices that we face. That’s why I want to engage both Democrats and Republicans in serious conversations about where we’re going as a nation."
- press conference, 2010.11.03
"As I’ve said before, no person, no party, has a monopoly on wisdom. And that’s why I’m eager to hear good ideas wherever they come from, whoever proposes them. And that’s why I believe it’s important to have an honest and civil debate about the choices that we face. That’s why I want to engage both Democrats and Republicans in serious conversations about where we’re going as a nation."
- press conference, 2010.11.03
muninsfire: So? Is the president responsible for the content of others' speeches?
I don't recall anyone apologizing for W's speeches, back in the day.
Where is the moderate Presidential outrage?!
farkmeblind: "Vote them out" is more dangerous rhetoric than "don't retreat, reload"?
There's no shill like a shrill shill.
Barry "Saddam" Hussein Obamao is not amused by their shenanigans :)
I don't recall anyone apologizing for W's speeches, back in the day.
Where is the moderate Presidential outrage?!
farkmeblind: "Vote them out" is more dangerous rhetoric than "don't retreat, reload"?
There's no shill like a shrill shill.
Barry "Saddam" Hussein Obamao is not amused by their shenanigans :)
sabine: "As I’ve said before, no person, no party, has a monopoly on wisdom. And that’s why I’m eager to hear good ideas wherever they come from, whoever proposes them. And that’s why I believe it’s important to have an honest and civil debate about the choices that we face. That’s why I want to engage both Democrats and Republicans in serious conversations about where we’re going as a nation."
- press conference, 2010.11.03
And he's so clearly done that in this circumstance or with his vice president
http://www.hapblog.com/2011/09/biden-at-afl-cio-rally-you-are-only.html
- press conference, 2010.11.03
And he's so clearly done that in this circumstance or with his vice president
http://www.hapblog.com/2011/09/biden-at-afl-cio-rally-you-are-only.html
fatsean: Where is the moderate Presidential outrage?!
Barry "Saddam" Hussein Obamao is not amused by their shenanigans :)
Well, he would be if he was an American.
Barry "Saddam" Hussein Obamao is not amused by their shenanigans :)
Well, he would be if he was an American.
You know, it seems like America still has one manufacturing industry cornered: outrage.
Are we really coming down to comparing rhetoric? Is that all we've got left?
Are we really coming down to comparing rhetoric? Is that all we've got left?
so vote republican: You know, it seems like America still has one manufacturing industry cornered: outrage.
Are we really coming down to comparing rhetoric? Is that all we've got left?
Do we really want to export more of this?
Are we really coming down to comparing rhetoric? Is that all we've got left?
Do we really want to export more of this?
farkmeblind: "Vote them out" is more dangerous rhetoric than "don't retreat, reload"?
There's no shill like a shrill shill.
That's not what I said.
If you're going to respond to something, it's usually nice if you at least address what they wrote.
There's no shill like a shrill shill.
That's not what I said.
If you're going to respond to something, it's usually nice if you at least address what they wrote.
so vote republican: You know, it seems like America still has one manufacturing industry cornered: outrage.
Are we really coming down to comparing rhetoric? Is that all we've got left?
Sure looks like it - when politics arise at work, I GTFO.
Are we really coming down to comparing rhetoric? Is that all we've got left?
Sure looks like it - when politics arise at work, I GTFO.
tunk87: That's not what I said.
If you're going to respond to something, it's usually nice if you at least address what they wrote.
Better people than you have tried that dodge, cupcake. Try again.
If you're going to respond to something, it's usually nice if you at least address what they wrote.
Better people than you have tried that dodge, cupcake. Try again.
so vote republican: You know, it seems like America still has one manufacturing industry cornered: outrage.
Are we really coming down to comparing rhetoric? Is that all we've got left?
And people say America doesn't manufacture anything anymore...
Are we really coming down to comparing rhetoric? Is that all we've got left?
And people say America doesn't manufacture anything anymore...
farkmeblind: Better people than you have tried that dodge, cupcake. Try again.
and yet you still don't address what I wrote. Nice dodge.
Typical.
and yet you still don't address what I wrote. Nice dodge.
Typical.
fatsean: And people say America doesn't manufacture anything anymore...
What are you saying; that you hate America? Why you hate America, fatsean? Why?
What are you saying; that you hate America? Why you hate America, fatsean? Why?
tunk87: and yet you still don't address what I wrote. Nice dodge.
Typical.
Since you are parroting what I wrote to you, I shall take it as the sincerest form of flattery that the unoriginal can produce. Thank you for acknowledging exactly how correct I am, was, and forever will be. There's hope for you yet. Maybe.
Typical.
Since you are parroting what I wrote to you, I shall take it as the sincerest form of flattery that the unoriginal can produce. Thank you for acknowledging exactly how correct I am, was, and forever will be. There's hope for you yet. Maybe.
paranoyd: What are you saying; that you hate America? Why you hate America, fatsean? Why?
America hated me first! They started it!
America hated me first! They started it!
farkmeblind: Since you are parroting what I wrote to you, I shall take it as the sincerest form of flattery that the unoriginal can produce. Thank you for acknowledging exactly how correct I am, was, and forever will be. There's hope for you yet. Maybe.
It's bullshit comments like this why I usually don't engage you in these types of threads.
You also have yet to ever address the original comment I made in this thread. Instead you tried to turn it into a claim I did not make. When that is pointed out to you, you post smarmy shit like this.
Either actually address the clear statement I made or ignore me.
It's bullshit comments like this why I usually don't engage you in these types of threads.
You also have yet to ever address the original comment I made in this thread. Instead you tried to turn it into a claim I did not make. When that is pointed out to you, you post smarmy shit like this.
Either actually address the clear statement I made or ignore me.
tunk87: It's bullshit comments like this why I usually don't engage you in these types of threads.
You also have yet to ever address the original comment I made in this thread. Instead you tried to turn it into a claim I did not make. When that is pointed out to you, you post smarmy shit like this.
Either actually address the clear statement I made or ignore me.
Make me.
You also have yet to ever address the original comment I made in this thread. Instead you tried to turn it into a claim I did not make. When that is pointed out to you, you post smarmy shit like this.
Either actually address the clear statement I made or ignore me.
Make me.
Hehehehe, you know, the "I'm going to force you to do X" doesn't work so well on the internet.
farkmeblind: Hehehehe, you know, the "I'm going to force you to do X" doesn't work so well on the internet.
Forced, FORCED to X!
Forced, FORCED to X!
If you logged in, you could post here.