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    nerd by proxy 4296 2012-02-15 13:16:55.0 login to vote score 1
    bake: in a van?windows?

    Bake is a quick one
    elton jon benet 3546 2012-02-15 13:17:04.0 login to vote score 0
    nerd by proxy: Did he show you the van he has there?

    Actually, he lived next door to me. He was a county bridge engineer. I still have the pic of him welding a bridge that appeared in the local newspaper at the time.
    bake 2096 2012-02-15 13:17:15.0 login to vote score 1
    quinblake: No. I never had any ultrasound with either pregnancy. The doc felt there was no need unless she suspected from regular tests that there might be problems.

    but do you have a 14" dildo?
    bake 2096 2012-02-15 13:17:34.0 login to vote score 0
    nerd by proxy: Bake is a quick one

    bake is baked
    elton jon benet 3546 2012-02-15 13:18:26.0 login to vote score 0
    bake: in a van?
    windows?


    Actually, if you must know, he would occasionally stop the bike, and we would have sex, get back on the bike and either go have more sex, or go home. Satisfied yet?
    polydactylkatze 641 2012-02-15 13:18:57.0 login to vote score 3
    And one GOP delegate caused the House to ripple when he said most abortions come as "matters of lifestyle convenience."

    The ability to work, eat, house oneself, feed existing children. You know, convenience.
    osirisothedead 1858 2012-02-15 13:19:06.0 login to vote score 3
    elton jon benet: Actually, if you must know, he would occasionally stop the bike, and we would have sex, get back on the bike and either go have more sex, or go home. Satisfied yet?

    Sounds like you were. ;-)
    nerd by proxy 4296 2012-02-15 13:19:38.0 login to vote score 0
    quinblake: No. I never had any ultrasound with either pregnancy. The doc felt there was no need unless she suspected from regular tests that there might be problems.

    I wasn't pregnant at the time, they were trying to get a better look at some ovarian cysts. I'm just saying it's WAY more uncomfortable and invasive than your typical gyno appointment.
    bake 2096 2012-02-15 13:19:42.0 login to vote score 0
    elton jon benet: Actually, if you must know, he would occasionally stop the bike, and we would have sex, get back on the bike and either go have more sex, or go home. Satisfied yet?

    and then??????????????
    quinblake 1476 2012-02-15 13:21:02.0 login to vote score 0
    nerd by proxy: Have you had a transvaginal ultrasound? The thing is like 14 inches long - it would even make your mom blush. It felt like they were investigating my tonsils, not my ovaries.

    According to this, it's only the size of a tampon.
    bake 2096 2012-02-15 13:21:45.0 login to vote score 3
    quinblake: According to this, it's only the size of a tampon for a manatee.


    grahams 5 2012-02-15 13:21:50.0 login to vote score 7
    elton jon benet: You know who was pro-abortion? That's right Mrs C. A 93y/o woman. Seems her 4th child died at birth. She carried that child to term, and I'm sure she planned to cherish her. Yes, it was a girl. That girl baby also had spinal bifida, and a myriad of other defects. Mrs C said it was a blessing that child died. Back then, they didn't have the prenatal testing they do today. She said if she had known, she would have opted for an abortion.

    If abortion becomes banned, these pregnancies will be carried to term. It's just wrong.


    Thankfully all the potlicians who case so much about unborn babies will care just as much to ensure there's a good social system in plcae to provide the lifetime of care required.
    elton jon benet 3546 2012-02-15 13:21:54.0 login to vote score 0
    osirisothedead: Sounds like you were. ;-)

    He's a very fond memory now and not just Somebody That I Used To Know
    polydactylkatze 641 2012-02-15 13:22:02.0 login to vote score 2
    nerd by proxy: I wasn't pregnant at the time, they were trying to get a better look at some ovarian cysts. I'm just saying it's WAY more uncomfortable and invasive than your typical gyno appointment.

    I've had it for cysts, too. It wasn't so much uncomfortable physically for me, but having the all-seeing rod shoved up there wasn't exactly comfortable.

    polydactylkatze 641 2012-02-15 13:22:54.0 login to vote score 0
    quinblake: According to this, it's only the size of a tampon.

    The one I experienced was bigger than some men I've had.
    grahams 5 2012-02-15 13:22:56.0 login to vote score 1
    osirisothedead: So what happens when a woman miscarries? Will she be charged with murder?

    No, rtfa

    a measure that would permit wrongful death civil lawsuits against those who kill a fetus.

    just wrongful death
    bake 2096 2012-02-15 13:23:31.0 login to vote score 0
    polydactylkatze: I've had it for cysts, too. It wasn't so much uncomfortable physically for me, but having the all-seeing rod shoved up there wasn't exactly comfortable.



    video or it didnt happen

    quinblake 1476 2012-02-15 13:24:04.0 login to vote score 0
    polydactylkatze: The one I experienced was bigger than some men I've had.

    I'm not a proponent of this, I was just curious how it differed from a regular cervical exam.
    howie_feltersnatch 11 2012-02-15 13:24:06.0 login to vote score 4
    And one GOP delegate caused the House to ripple when he said most abortions come as "matters of lifestyle convenience."

    Well if this intrusive legislation passes, don't you dare fucking bitch about the government having to support the lifestyle of single mothers who don't have the means to conveniently care for a multiple child household.
    polydactylkatze 641 2012-02-15 13:24:35.0 login to vote score 0
    bake: video or it didnt happen

    I never understood the eroticism in watching a woman interact sexually with a piece of plastic.
    osirisothedead 1858 2012-02-15 13:25:06.0 login to vote score 1
    grahams: No, rtfa

    a measure that would permit wrongful death civil lawsuits against those who kill a fetus.

    just wrongful death


    Yes, I did rtfa thanks, and a miscarriage is a body's way of killing a fetus. The language isn't clear enough.
    selectivedisclosure 45 2012-02-15 13:26:16.0 login to vote score 4
    howie_feltersnatch: And one GOP delegate caused the House to ripple when he said most abortions come as "matters of lifestyle convenience."

    Well if this intrusive legislation passes, don't you dare fucking bitch about the government having to support the lifestyle of single mothers who don't have the means to conveniently care for a multiple child household.



    I know. They should all be required to adopt a special needs child left at a Safe Place. Every single one of 'em.

    elton jon benet 3546 2012-02-15 13:27:20.0 login to vote score 5
    bake: and then??????????????

    Fine. There was this one time when we were drinking at a bar across the street from the local ABC affiliate. We left the bar. I was driving us in a '71 El Camino. He was in his usual button-fly jeans and leather jacket. I was wearing a dress and thigh hi stockings. We walked over to the car and kissed. He bent me back on the hood and proceeded to 'have his way' with me. The sky was beautiful that summer night.

    Thankfully at the time, that TV station did not have weather cams on the roof as they do now. There would have been a youtube of an 11:00pm weatherman saying, "Let's take a look at what is happening outside now,,," with me smiling while on my back on the hood of that car.
    bake 2096 2012-02-15 13:27:49.0 login to vote score 1
    elton jon benet: Fine. There was this one time when we were drinking at a bar across the street from the local ABC affiliate. We left the bar. I was driving us in a '71 El Camino. He was in his usual button-fly jeans and leather jacket. I was wearing a dress and thigh hi stockings. We walked over to the car and kissed. He bent me back on the hood and proceeded to 'have his way' with me. The sky was beautiful that summer night.

    Thankfully at the time, that TV station did not have weather cams on the roof as they do now. There would have been a youtube of an 11:00pm weatherman saying, "Let's take a look at what is happening outside now,,," with me smiling while on my back on the hood of that car.


    and then????????????????
    polydactylkatze 641 2012-02-15 13:27:52.0 login to vote score 2
    quinblake: I'm not a proponent of this, I was just curious how it differed from a regular cervical exam.

    Not counting a speculum in the expanded position, a transvaginal ultrasound wand is the biggest thing I've had up me during a medical exam. I'm pretty good at relaxing the works down there, but I could easily see it being traumatizing for some women.
    howie_feltersnatch 11 2012-02-15 13:28:14.0 login to vote score 3
    polydactylkatze: I never understood the eroticism in watching a woman interact sexually with a piece of plastic.

    I never thought there was much to it either, until I saw the now famous Kasia blue dildo porn clip.
    bake 2096 2012-02-15 13:28:35.0 login to vote score 2
    polydactylkatze: I never understood the eroticism in watching a woman interact sexually with a piece of plastic.

    for me it is more of watching a woman enjoy herself...by whatever means she chooses
    osirisothedead 1858 2012-02-15 13:29:11.0 login to vote score 3
    polydactylkatze: Not counting a speculum in the expanded position, a transvaginal ultrasound wand is the biggest thing I've had up me during a medical exam.

    I see you qualified that. Do you have his phone #?
    quick1 501 2012-02-15 13:30:07.0 login to vote score 3
    intentionally left blank: I hope some female legislator introduces a bill that requires mandatory annual prostate exams which must be done with a pneumatic hammer.

    Something like that was tried: “Prior to prescribing medication for erectile dysfunction, a physician shall perform a digital rectal examination and a cardiac stress test,”

    The amendment failed 19-21.
    intentionally left blank 2011 2012-02-15 13:30:07.0 login to vote score 2
    selectivedisclosure: I know. They should all be required to adopt a special needs child left at a Safe Place. Every single one of 'em.

    That's the next bill -- to eliminate Safe Places. The bill after that is to force marriage of pregnant but single women to protect the sanctity of marriage.
    bake 2096 2012-02-15 13:30:40.0 login to vote score 0
    howie_feltersnatch: I never thought there was much to it either, until I saw the now famous Kasia blue dildo porn clip.

    link?
    intentionally left blank 2011 2012-02-15 13:31:28.0 login to vote score 1
    quick1: Something like that was tried: “Prior to prescribing medication for erectile dysfunction, a physician shall perform a digital rectal examination and a cardiac stress test,”

    The amendment failed 19-21.


    Keep doing it.

    Amend to the next pork barrel bill that all vascectomies must be performed with a butter knife and without anesthetic.
    howie_feltersnatch 11 2012-02-15 13:33:04.0 login to vote score 2
    bake: link?

    Just Google it. The first handful of results are links to it on most of the popular porntube sites.
    willywanka 274 2012-02-15 13:33:54.0 login to vote score 3
    quinblake: One would think the women are used to having a medical instrument inserted way far up vaginally in order to be tested on a regular basis for cervical cancers.

    they do it like that because as far as I know they have no other means of doing so. There is another means of having a less obtrusive sonogram that they aren't performing.

    Imagine if someone told you that in order to take your temperature, they had to shove a thermometer up your ass, and then when you said "is that really necessary?" they replied, "no, we could just take it orally but its not as if you've never had something up your ass before so what's the diff?"

    Also, the women getting paps are voluntarily doing so...this is a government-mandated procedure that really doesn't have anything to do with what they are actually looking for. So to further our hypothetical, imagine after they pulled out the thermometer, they said "yup, 98.6...looks like you're qualified to work as a WalMart greeter...congratulations!"
    selectivedisclosure 45 2012-02-15 13:34:13.0 login to vote score 0
    intentionally left blank: That's the next bill -- to eliminate Safe Places. The bill after that is to force marriage of pregnant but single women to protect the sanctity of marriage.

    I really do feel like that's how this legislation is heading!

    I actually applauded Obama this week when he spoke out against that proposed legislation to force religious/conservative-owned pharmacies to supply birth control and plan B. Freedom of religion; not a state issue; move along.
    selectivedisclosure 45 2012-02-15 13:35:05.0 login to vote score 0
    howie_feltersnatch: I never thought there was much to it either, until I saw the now famous Kasia blue dildo porn clip.

    Is that the one where the dildo is as big as a fire hydrant? One I saw like that was blue, but I'm at work and will not be searching for it!
    polydactylkatze 641 2012-02-15 13:35:06.0 login to vote score 2
    howie_feltersnatch: I never thought there was much to it either, until I saw the now famous Kasia blue dildo porn clip.

    Nice to know someone out there is making it worthwhile.

    bake: for me it is more of watching a woman enjoy herself...by whatever means she chooses

    Oh, well I didn't enjoy it so video would be of no use to you. :)

    osirisothedead: I see you qualified that. Do you have his phone #?

    He's married. ;)
    osirisothedead 1858 2012-02-15 13:35:38.0 login to vote score 1
    selectivedisclosure: Is that the one where the dildo is as big as a fire hydrant? One I saw like that was blue, but I'm at work and will not be searching for it!

    It's blue, suctioned to a bedframe by the looks of it, and some cute young blond thing is backing in to it, doggie style.
    selectivedisclosure 45 2012-02-15 13:36:37.0 login to vote score 0
    osirisothedead: It's blue, suctioned to a bedframe by the looks of it, and some cute young blond thing is backing in to it, doggie style.

    Oh my! No, not the one I saw. The one I saw was literally at a factory. Like, she couldn't wait for it to be moved anywhere but the factory.
    quick1 501 2012-02-15 13:37:26.0 login to vote score 1
    selectivedisclosure: Oh my! No, not the one I saw. The one I saw was literally at a factory. Like, she couldn't wait for it to be moved anywhere but the factory.

    No, the Kaisa video is really fucking hot.
    osirisothedead 1858 2012-02-15 13:37:48.0 login to vote score 0
    selectivedisclosure: Oh my! No, not the one I saw. The one I saw was literally at a factory. Like, she couldn't wait for it to be moved anywhere but the factory.

    Well I just clicked the first link when I googled "Kasia blue dildo". howie may be talking about the one you saw, I dunno.
    spongegirl circleskirt 382 2012-02-15 13:51:21.0 login to vote score 3
    quinblake: According to this, it's only the size of a tampon.

    I had one the size of a dildo. I called it the cervix-o-gram.
    nerd by proxy 4296 2012-02-15 13:53:43.0 login to vote score 3
    quinblake: According to this, it's only the size of a tampon.

    OMG, that's definitely not how it was for me. This was more like the size of a long skinny cucumber. Of course, to be fair, I was already in debilitating pain because of the cysts, so that may have had something to do with my discomfort.
    pajamas 7950 2012-02-15 14:04:37.0 login to vote score 4
    polydactylkatze: Not counting a speculum in the expanded position, a transvaginal ultrasound wand is the biggest thing I've had up me during a medical exam. I'm pretty good at relaxing the works down there, but I could easily see it being traumatizing for some women.

    Rape counseling centers consider a transvaginal ultrasound to be too invasive for use. The people who authored this bill know that.
    boobookitty 2568 2012-02-15 14:05:13.0 login to vote score 7
    quinblake: I'm not a proponent of this, I was just curious how it differed from a regular cervical exam.

    I recently had one of those sucker shoved up me when they needed to ensure that my placenta was not blocking my cervix. When the technician pulled it out, I went, "Holy crap, that's kinky!" It was like a very large 14" long and thick dildo and I felt that someone should at least buy me dinner first. It was a bit awkward and uncomfortable, but it was necessary to ensure that I would be able to have a vaginal birth, so I did it.

    Now if I were a rape victim going in to get an abortion from a pregnancy that happened because of it, the whole experience would be traumatic. If I was a woman just going in to end an unintended pregnancy, it would be unnecessarily invasive. A regular over the tummy sonogram gives the doctor all the information they need to go forward with an abortion. This whole thing just serves to try to fuck with the women who opt to pursue this medical procedure, and perhaps humiliate them.


    vic rattlehead 1283 2012-02-15 14:19:16.0 login to vote score 1
    boobookitty: I recently had one of those sucker shoved up me when they needed to ensure that my placenta was not blocking my cervix. When the technician pulled it out, I went, "Holy crap, that's kinky!" It was like a very large 14" long and thick dildo and I felt that someone should at least buy me dinner first. It was a bit awkward and uncomfortable, but it was necessary to ensure that I would be able to have a vaginal birth, so I did it.

    Now if I were a rape victim going in to get an abortion from a pregnancy that happened because of it, the whole experience would be traumatic. If I was a woman just going in to end an unintended pregnancy, it would be unnecessarily invasive. A regular over the tummy sonogram gives the doctor all the information they need to go forward with an abortion. This whole thing just serves to try to fuck with the women who opt to pursue this medical procedure, and perhaps humiliate them.


    Welcome to the new America. In pursuit of POWER, your elected officials will now literally screw you. This is the sickest, most obvious attempt to literally RAPE any woman who goes for an abortion.

    Our governments are absolutely sickening in the depths they will sink to. Don't be such cowards Virginia - do what you really wanted to do: require any woman who gets an abortion to be branded with an A on her forehead, oh and just rape her while you're at it.
    polydactylkatze 641 2012-02-15 14:20:44.0 login to vote score 1
    pajamas: Rape counseling centers consider a transvaginal ultrasound to be too invasive for use. The people who authored this bill know that.

    That is so sickening it makes me want to cry.
    quinblake 1476 2012-02-15 14:22:29.0 login to vote score 0
    boobookitty: I recently had one of those sucker shoved up me when they needed to ensure that my placenta was not blocking my cervix. When the technician pulled it out, I went, "Holy crap, that's kinky!" It was like a very large 14" long and thick dildo and I felt that someone should at least buy me dinner first. It was a bit awkward and uncomfortable, but it was necessary to ensure that I would be able to have a vaginal birth, so I did it.

    Now if I were a rape victim going in to get an abortion from a pregnancy that happened because of it, the whole experience would be traumatic. If I was a woman just going in to end an unintended pregnancy, it would be unnecessarily invasive. A regular over the tummy sonogram gives the doctor all the information they need to go forward with an abortion. This whole thing just serves to try to fuck with the women who opt to pursue this medical procedure, and perhaps humiliate them.


    I don't understand, the vaginal canal is not 14" long. Does it pass through the cervical opening?
    pajamas 7950 2012-02-15 14:30:11.0 login to vote score 1
    polydactylkatze: That is so sickening it makes me want to cry.

    It's the most offensive part of this entire travesty.
    phil_herup 8976 2012-02-15 14:34:05.0 login to vote score -1
    polydactylkatze: That is so sickening it makes me want to cry.


    pajamas: It's the most offensive part of this entire travesty.



    Rape and abortion are different.
    little hands of concrete 1804 2012-02-15 14:35:46.0 login to vote score 0
    STATES' RIGHTS!!!!
    boobookitty 2568 2012-02-15 14:35:55.0 login to vote score 2
    quinblake: I don't understand, the vaginal canal is not 14" long. Does it pass through the cervical opening?

    Um, seriously? They don't shove the whole thing up there...the technician does have to hold onto the handle. It is too thick to pass through the cervical opening. What happens in these exams is the vaginal probe is inserted all the way up to the cervix and then probed around up there like a flashlight to get views from different angles. I have to say it was very uncomfortable and awkward, and I'm not a shy person. I needed this done because they were looking to make sure my cervix wasn't being blocked by my placenta, which would mean that I would definitely have to have a c-section as the baby's passage would be completely blocked, so this was the best angle for them to go about doing that. (Happily, the placenta had moved up in my uterus so my cervix was completely clear!) In the case of having an abortion, it is a completely unnecessary procedure.


    phil_herup 8976 2012-02-15 14:38:12.0 login to vote score -1
    vic rattlehead: Welcome to the new America. In pursuit of POWER, your elected officials will now literally screw you.


    You have not noticed what happened in our Federal Government in the last two years? Are you serious?



    vic rattlehead: Our governments are absolutely sickening in the depths they will sink to. .

    LOL....


    vic rattlehead: This is the sickest, most obvious attempt to literally RAPE any woman who goes for an abortion.


    OMG.... you really do not get it Captain Hyperbole do you?

    quinblake 1476 2012-02-15 14:38:15.0 login to vote score 0
    boobookitty: Um, seriously? They don't shove the whole thing up there...the technician does have to hold onto the handle. It is too thick to pass through the cervical opening. What happens in these exams is the vaginal probe is inserted all the way up to the cervix and then probed around up there like a flashlight to get views from different angles. I have to say it was very uncomfortable and awkward, and I'm not a shy person. I needed this done because they were looking to make sure my cervix wasn't being blocked by my placenta, which would mean that I would definitely have to have a c-section as the baby's passage would be completely blocked, so this was the best angle for them to go about doing that. (Happily, the placenta had moved up in my uterus so my cervix was completely clear!) In the case of having an abortion, it is a completely unnecessary procedure.

    OK, there's a handle included in the 14". I was confused by the description of the length.
    polydactylkatze 641 2012-02-15 14:38:56.0 login to vote score 6
    phil_herup: Rape and abortion are different.

    Your head and your ass are the same.
    phil_herup 8976 2012-02-15 14:39:33.0 login to vote score -1
    boobookitty: In the case of having an abortion, it is a completely unnecessary procedure.


    Are you a gynecologist?
    boobookitty 2568 2012-02-15 14:40:08.0 login to vote score 2
    pajamas: It's the most offensive part of this entire travesty.

    The whole thing is offensive!


    willywanka 274 2012-02-15 14:44:34.0 login to vote score 0
    keerbip:

    why do you think the fonz had such a soft spot for her...she helped get him out of a number of sticky situations involving his ever-adoring fans!
    phil_herup 8976 2012-02-15 14:47:25.0 login to vote score -2
    polydactylkatze: Your head and your ass are the same.


    Yet I see endless logical failures in so many of the arguments against it.

    I don't expect you to be able to see them however, considering you have a medical condition and all.
    quinblake 1476 2012-02-15 14:47:54.0 login to vote score 1
    How common is this? According to this, transvaginal ultrasounds are performed at this Pennsylvania clinic as a standard practice.
    elton jon benet 3546 2012-02-15 14:48:13.0 login to vote score 1
    phil_herup: Are you a gynecologist?

    Are you? Just saying. Women should have more input as to design of instruments used on them.
    spongegirl circleskirt 382 2012-02-15 14:48:43.0 login to vote score 9
    phil_herup: Are you a gynecologist?


    quinblake 1476 2012-02-15 14:49:08.0 login to vote score 0
    quinblake: How common is this? According to this, transvaginal ultrasounds are performed at this Pennsylvania clinic as a standard practice.

    And apparently there's a followup transvaginal ultrasound performed 4-14 days after the abortion!
    phil_herup 8976 2012-02-15 14:49:46.0 login to vote score -1
    quinblake: transvaginal ultrasounds are performed at this Pennsylvania clinic



    An abortion clinic in Bethlehem.... classic
    quinblake 1476 2012-02-15 14:51:09.0 login to vote score 2
    phil_herup: An abortion clinic in Bethlehem.... classic

    lol. It was just on the first page of google search results. I swear, I'm probably going to start getting abortion ads in my gmail account window now.
    polydactylkatze 641 2012-02-15 14:51:31.0 login to vote score 2
    phil_herup: Yet I see endless logical failures in so many of the arguments against it.

    I don't expect you to be able to see them however, considering you have a medical condition and all.


    Ugh. You're such a failtroll you're not even fun.
    pajamas 7950 2012-02-15 14:52:51.0 login to vote score 2
    quinblake: How common is this? According to this, transvaginal ultrasounds are performed at this Pennsylvania clinic as a standard practice.

    Very very few clinics do this and usually only because they've been sued dramatically. A transvaginal unltrasound is the only way to hear the heartbeat of an early first trimester fetus, which is the reason, on the surface, why they want it done. Most abortions are early ones so women would not be able to hear a heartbeat otherwise.
    phil_herup 8976 2012-02-15 14:52:53.0 login to vote score -1
    elton jon benet: Are you? Just saying. Women should have more input as to design of instruments used on them.


    I am not.

    She was referring to it being a completely unnecessary procedure prior to an abortion, not the design of the instruments.

    Do you often tell your physician that his or instruments could be better designed for use on you?
    vic rattlehead 1283 2012-02-15 14:53:06.0 login to vote score 1
    phil_herup: You have not noticed what happened in our Federal Government in the last two years? Are you serious?
    LOL....
    OMG.... you really do not get it Captain Hyperbole do you?


    The saddest part of your post is that you think it's hyperbole. You sound like you're still holding onto the image of government you were taught about in the 5th grade.

    And I fully believe that the people who proposed and championed this bill got sexually aroused thinking about it, and are getting sexual gratification from the thought of these women being forced to submit to this procedure before the abortion.

    burntman 1528 2012-02-15 14:53:20.0 login to vote score 0
    phil_herup: considering you have a medical condition and all.

    no dude, there's trolling and then there's just being nasty. -1
    boobookitty 2568 2012-02-15 14:53:37.0 login to vote score 4
    quinblake: OK, there's a handle included in the 14". I was confused by the description of the length.

    That's OK! The best description I can come up with is that it looks like a huge dildo. When she pulled it out I was like holy crap you gotta be kidding me! I got really inappropriate with her and joked around to help me relax enough so the procedure wouldn't be too painful. I told her I like her well enough, just not in THAT way...asked her if she was going to buy me dinner first....and on and on.

    The point is, regardless the size of the instrument, it is unnecessary to do a vaginal sonogram prior to an abortion. They were never needed before. I could see the screen of all of my exams and I have to say I was able to see my baby much more clearly on the regular over the belly sonogram then on the vaginal probe sonogram. The technician actually did an over the belly sonogram to see how my little bean was doing after the vaginal probe to get a better look at her. So really, the only reason for these vaginal probes is to fuck with women who are looking to get an abortion. And I don't like the idea of politicians telling doctors how to do their jobs. How dare they claim to have more expertise then them. Politicians need to stay out of our bedrooms and away from private medical decisions that are between me, my doctor, and my own conscience.

    elton jon benet 3546 2012-02-15 14:54:29.0 login to vote score 1
    phil_herup: I am not.

    She was referring to it being a completely unnecessary procedure prior to an abortion, not the design of the instruments.

    Do you often tell your physician that his or instruments could be better designed for use on you?


    Yes I have. I hate the speculum. Not fond of needles either.
    code_7 6865 2012-02-15 14:57:11.0 login to vote score 0
    nerd by proxy: EJB on the cob

    mmmmmmmmmmmmm


    heh
    phil_herup 8976 2012-02-15 14:58:14.0 login to vote score -1
    elton jon benet: Yes I have. I hate the speculum. Not fond of needles either.


    You should go see the Mantle Brothers perhaps. They design their own instruments.
    code_7 6865 2012-02-15 14:58:44.0 login to vote score 1
    elton jon benet: Yes I have. I hate the speculum. Not fond of needles either.

    Do not even bother, he is a "dentist" who thinks he knows what is necessary for you and all women.
    quinblake 1476 2012-02-15 14:59:41.0 login to vote score 0
    pajamas: Very very few clinics do this and usually only because they've been sued dramatically. A transvaginal unltrasound is the only way to hear the heartbeat of an early first trimester fetus, which is the reason, on the surface, why they want it done. Most abortions are early ones so women would not be able to hear a heartbeat otherwise.

    So I guess the reason that clinic I referenced does the follow up transvaginal ultrasound is for confirmation on procedure being successful.
    code_7 6865 2012-02-15 15:00:26.0 login to vote score 2
    spongegirl circleskirt:

    Yes, he knows more about your vagina than you do.
    elton jon benet 3546 2012-02-15 15:01:21.0 login to vote score 1
    phil_herup: You should go see the Mantle Brothers perhaps. They design their own instruments.

    Progress is being made. Drugs that used to be syringe injected can be administered sub-lingually.

    Let's put it this way. How would you like a yearly medical exam that required a catheter type device inserted into the opening in your penis and threaded to your testes for the detection of cancer? Would you like that?
    phil_herup 8976 2012-02-15 15:02:07.0 login to vote score -1
    boobookitty: it is unnecessary to do a vaginal sonogram prior to an abortion.

    They were never needed before.



    They did surgery prior to the invention of radiography. Then as better imaging techniques and technology evolved, they were able to do a better and safer job. So why would more information ever be seen as unnecessary?
    phil_herup 8976 2012-02-15 15:03:02.0 login to vote score -1
    code_7: Yes, he knows more about your vagina than you do.


    I've probably been inside quite a few more than she has.
    phil_herup 8976 2012-02-15 15:04:10.0 login to vote score -1
    elton jon benet: How would you like a yearly medical exam that required a catheter type device inserted into the opening in your penis and threaded to your testes for the detection of cancer? Would you like that?


    I find this style of rebuttal to be quite common amongst females.
    elton jon benet 3546 2012-02-15 15:06:17.0 login to vote score 0
    phil_herup: I find this style of rebuttal to be quite common amongst females.

    That's also what 'they' said when exploratory surgeries were popular.
    phil_herup 8976 2012-02-15 15:06:26.0 login to vote score -1
    pajamas: Most abortions are early ones so women would not be able to hear a heartbeat otherwise.



    Those tiny little fetal hearts are too tiny to hear... I wonder if they speed up when that curette comes for them?
    pajamas 7950 2012-02-15 15:07:08.0 login to vote score 0
    quinblake: So I guess the reason that clinic I referenced does the follow up transvaginal ultrasound is for confirmation on procedure being successful.

    It is likely because they have been sued in the past for incomplete procedures. Avoid any place that requires transvaginal ultrasounds for Abortion procedures. They only do it because they fucked up.
    phil_herup 8976 2012-02-15 15:08:25.0 login to vote score -1
    quinblake: So I guess the reason that clinic I referenced does the follow up transvaginal ultrasound is for confirmation on procedure being successful.


    Sometimes I take follow up radiographs to make sure I extracted the entire tooth. You don't want to leave any pieces or remnants behind.
    elton jon benet 3546 2012-02-15 15:12:53.0 login to vote score 0
    phil_herup: Those tiny little fetal hearts are too tiny to hear... I wonder if they speed up when that curette comes for them?

    Why would the heart speed up? The fetus has no cognitive ability to discern anything that is going on.
    phil_herup 8976 2012-02-15 15:14:51.0 login to vote score -1
    elton jon benet: Why would the heart speed up? The fetus has no cognitive ability to discern anything that is going on.


    Even worms try to get away from a fish hook.
    elton jon benet 3546 2012-02-15 15:19:55.0 login to vote score 0
    phil_herup: Even worms try to get away from a fish hook.

    When I complemented my veterinarian on how he took good care of my chinchillas, he responded, "I like knowing how to take care of different animals. I'd be bored to tears looking in people's mouths every day".
    swingingjohnson 175 2012-02-15 15:25:24.0 login to vote score 3
    Holy shit, those Virginia Republicans are out of their fucking minds.


    phil_herup 8976 2012-02-15 15:26:08.0 login to vote score 0
    elton jon benet: When I complemented my veterinarian on how he took good care of my chinchillas, he responded, "I like knowing how to take care of different animals. I'd be bored to tears looking in people's mouths every day".


    I have a lot of respect for Veterans
    swingingjohnson 175 2012-02-15 15:26:12.0 login to vote score 2
    phil_herup: Are you a gynecologist?

    I'm not, but I play one on bN.
    quick1 501 2012-02-15 15:28:02.0 login to vote score 0
    phil_herup: Sometimes I take follow up radiographs to make sure I extracted the entire tooth. You don't want to leave any pieces or remnants behind.

    And the government mandates that you do that?
    spongegirl circleskirt 382 2012-02-15 15:34:58.0 login to vote score 4
    I need to reiterate:

    cannonhawk 849 2012-02-15 15:38:27.0 login to vote score 2
    quinblake: One would think the women are used to having a medical instrument inserted way far up vaginally in order to be tested on a regular basis for cervical cancers.

    How far up we talking?


    /not for fap reasons.










































    /that's a lie.
    phil_herup 8976 2012-02-15 15:40:12.0 login to vote score -1
    quick1: And the government mandates that you do that?


    You love mandates. You love government. Why all of the sudden do you now have a problem with this mandate?

    You cheered for the mandate that women get free birth control I bet.
    phil_herup 8976 2012-02-15 15:41:00.0 login to vote score 0
    cannonhawk: How far up we talking?



    All

    THE

    WAY
    quick1 501 2012-02-15 15:43:02.0 login to vote score 4
    phil_herup: You love mandates. You love government. Why all of the sudden do you now have a problem with this mandate?

    You hate mandates. You hate government. Why all of a sudden do you now have no problem with this mandate?


    phil_herup: You cheered for the mandate that women get free birth control I bet.

    The chasm between giving out free birth control and the government jamming a sonogram dildo inside of you is so vast, that even you should be able to see it.
    elton jon benet 3546 2012-02-15 15:44:56.0 login to vote score 0
    phil_herup: I have a lot of respect for Veterans

    Tagged: frothy phil
    phil_herup 8976 2012-02-15 15:45:42.0 login to vote score -1
    quick1: You hate mandates. You hate government. Why all of a sudden do you now have no problem with this mandate?

    It is at the state level, not federal. Huge difference.


    quick1: The chasm between giving out free birth control and the government jamming a sonogram dildo inside of you is so vast, that even you should be able to see it.


    Actually the FREE part is going to be VERY expensive and that is the real problem. There is no right to free BC... again this is a state issue in VA, not federal.

    quick1 501 2012-02-15 15:50:44.0 login to vote score 2
    phil_herup: It is at the state level, not federal. Huge difference.

    Not in this case there isn't. It's still the government legislating medical prodcedures.


    phil_herup: Actually the FREE part is going to be VERY expensive and that is the real problem. There is no right to free BC... again this is a state issue in VA, not federal.

    The FREE part ends up saving money in the end, as then your taxpayers don't have to support all the extra welfare babies that are born. You should be happy about that. (Of course here is where you give your standard ridiculous response that there is no such thing as prevention)

    Not to mention that the government is not forcing birth control on anyone. It's simply there if you need it. Besides, when did the federal government start giving away free birth control?
    abbynormal 1917 2012-02-15 15:54:18.0 login to vote score 1
    phil_herup: It is at the state level, not federal. Huge difference.





    Actually the FREE part is going to be VERY expensive and that is the real problem. There is no right to free BC... again this is a state issue in VA, not federal.


    Actually it's not. Or at least not as much as it will cost to support all the unwanted children.

    Although I don't really see why it needs to be free. The copay on the pill is pretty low with most insurance companies.

    Some are pretty unreasonable though. I was used to a $5 or $10 copay for birth control, but one insurance company I had for a while wanted a $60 copay for depo. Which you can buy OTC in Mexico for around $20 or less.
    phil_herup 8976 2012-02-15 15:55:01.0 login to vote score -1
    quick1: The FREE part ends up saving money in the end, as then your taxpayers don't have to support all the extra welfare babies that are born.


    ahhhh the classic logical fail left wing argument.



    quick1: Not in this case there isn't. It's still the government legislating medical prodcedures.


    States have that right.
    quick1 501 2012-02-15 15:57:08.0 login to vote score 3
    phil_herup: ahhhh the classic logical fail left wing argument.

    Yes, it's a failure in logic to say that paying a little now can save you a lot in the long term. Which is why I never take my car to a mechanic, and I never get a physical.


    phil_herup: States have that right.

    States don't have the right to do whatever the fuck they want. The people have a right to not have a sonogram dildo shoved inside of them if they do not want it.
    phil_herup 8976 2012-02-15 16:00:46.0 login to vote score -1
    quick1: Yes, it's a failure in logic to say that paying a little now can save you a lot in the long term. Which is why I never take my car to a mechanic, and I never get a physical.


    I would support your "logic" if you stood by it. By like a typical myopic liberal, you fail to see that those babies get born anyway and then cost the taxpayers a shitload with no repercussions on the parents.


    phil_herup 8976 2012-02-15 16:02:16.0 login to vote score -1
    quick1: States don't have the right to do whatever the fuck they want.


    Ha... if only you were that way all the time. But then you would not be a lib.

    You love the state flexing its muscles quite a bit in many other areas.
    pajamas 7950 2012-02-15 16:14:23.0 login to vote score 3
    Conservatives recognize the tiny and odd divergence between oppression at the federal level and that at the state level but refuse ro recognize the difference between a mandate telling the government they have to help you and one giving the government control over the most intimate parts of your life
    swingingjohnson 175 2012-02-15 16:23:44.0 login to vote score 10


    spongegirl circleskirt 382 2012-02-15 16:24:38.0 login to vote score 2
    swingingjohnson:

    Ah. The Republican Fisting Machine! Oh joy!
    phil_herup 8976 2012-02-15 16:39:25.0 login to vote score 0
    swingingjohnson:


    I see two inputs and a squirter.


    phil_herup 8976 2012-02-15 16:44:14.0 login to vote score 0
    pajamas: Conservatives recognize the tiny and odd divergence between oppression at the federal level and that at the state level but refuse ro recognize the difference between a mandate telling the government they have to help you and one giving the government control over the most intimate parts of your life



    Liberals have no trouble going after your wallet, a pretty damn intimate part of most of our lives. They also think they deserve to know all your medical records, which are pretty intimate as well.

    As long as minors can get an abortion without parental consent, unlike say.... getting your ears pierced.

    elton jon benet 3546 2012-02-15 16:52:37.0 login to vote score 2
    phil_herup: Liberals have no trouble going after your wallet, a pretty damn intimate part of most of our lives. They also think they deserve to know all your medical records, which are pretty intimate as well.

    As long as minors can get an abortion without parental consent, unlike say.... getting your ears pierced.


    I had one at 16. Long story short, none of it is any more of your business than it would have been of either of my parents.

    Don't like my answer? Then fuck you!
    sabine 745 2012-02-15 16:53:15.0 login to vote score 1
    phil_herup: Liberals [...] also think they deserve to know all your medical records

    All the stuff Ted Kennedy gets quoted saying on this site, and no love for the things that he actually did do, like sponsor bills protecting medical information privacy?
    pajamas 7950 2012-02-15 16:53:36.0 login to vote score 1
    phil_herup: Liberals have no trouble going after your wallet, a pretty damn intimate part of most of our lives. They also think they deserve to know all your medical records, which are pretty intimate as well.

    As long as minors can get an abortion without parental consent, unlike say.... getting your ears pierced.


    Actually, liberals mostly want fair taxation and medical privacy. And there is a very good REASON why an abortion may sometimes be necessary for an underaged girl without her parents' consent. Three very good reasons, actually.
    brazil 316 2012-02-15 16:55:25.0 login to vote score 1
    pajamas: Actually, liberals mostly want fair taxation and medical privacy. And there is a very good REASON why an abortion may sometimes be necessary for an underaged girl without her parents' consent. Three very good reasons, actually.

    Liberals want fair taxation is like conservatives wanting unborn babies to have a fair chance at life.
    pajamas 7950 2012-02-15 16:59:55.0 login to vote score 1
    brazil: Liberals want fair taxation is like conservatives wanting unborn babies to have a fair chance at life.

    People of means tend to seem to think that's is the poor that benefit the most from community. The benefits they themselves receive are often invisible to them. It sometimes keeps them from wanting to pay their fair share and that is a shame.
    cannonhawk 849 2012-02-15 17:03:04.0 login to vote score 1
    Fuckers need to stay out of joy holes and little boys back doors.
    phil_herup 8976 2012-02-15 17:04:41.0 login to vote score -1
    pajamas: People of means tend to seem to think that's is the poor that benefit the most from community. The benefits they themselves receive are often invisible to them. It sometimes keeps them from wanting to pay their fair share and that is a shame.



    Whenever you are ready to discuss fairness and fair shares with me, I'd be glad to.

    The facts are on my side and the rhetoric and lies are on yours.
    zolividor 642 2012-02-15 17:05:41.0 login to vote score 2
    "unborn baby" is an oxymoron
    brazil 316 2012-02-15 17:05:44.0 login to vote score 0
    pajamas: People of means tend to seem to think that's is the poor that benefit the most from community. The benefits they themselves receive are often invisible to them. It sometimes keeps them from wanting to pay their fair share and that is a shame.

    What's that got to do with those poor unborn children that have not advocates in Liberal circles. :(

    phil_herup 8976 2012-02-15 17:06:48.0 login to vote score -2
    elton jon benet: I had one at 16. Long story short, none of it is any more of your business than it would have been of either of my parents.

    Don't like my answer? Then fuck you!



    [sigh]

    Since you have on logic to go with, I see you have taken the fuck you argument.

    Supposed you had died from complications from your surgery that your parents knew nothing about?

    Do you have kids?
    elton jon benet 3546 2012-02-15 17:08:08.0 login to vote score 1
    phil_herup: [sigh]

    Since you have on logic to go with, I see you have taken the fuck you argument.

    Supposed you had died from complications from your surgery that your parents knew nothing about?

    Do you have kids?


    Just because someone breeds does not mean they have parenting skills.

    Oh, and Fuck you!
    phil_herup 8976 2012-02-15 17:09:22.0 login to vote score -1
    pajamas: Actually, liberals mostly want fair taxation and medical privacy.


    That is just pure nonsense.

    The liberals want completely unfair taxation and absolutely want a database of everyone's medical records.

    It is a well known fact that liberals and the left have a completely delusional definition of the word "fair".
    phil_herup 8976 2012-02-15 17:12:18.0 login to vote score -1
    elton jon benet: Just because someone breeds does not mean they have parenting skills.

    Oh, and Fuck you!




    LOL... with me, you're dealing with someone beyond your pay grade. Pointing your failures in logic in this has been fun.
    phil_herup 8976 2012-02-15 17:14:35.0 login to vote score -1
    sabine: All the stuff Ted Kennedy gets quoted saying on this site, and no love for the things that he actually did do, like sponsor bills protecting medical information privacy?


    Well... what do you think EMR is all about?
    elton jon benet 3546 2012-02-15 17:16:10.0 login to vote score 2
    phil_herup: LOL... with me, you're dealing with someone beyond your pay grade. Pointing your failures in logic in this has been fun.

    I'm not dealing with you at all. You are nothing more than computer coding gone wrong, as far as I care.
    someone who may or may not be religious right 2012-02-15 17:52:45.0 login to vote score 0
    cannonhawk: Fuckers need to stay out of joy holes and little boys back doors.

    You said "joy holes" twice.
    polydactylkatze 641 2012-02-15 17:53:25.0 login to vote score 0
    Know what? I'm retarded. Ignore last transmission.
    galileo 3288 2012-02-15 21:28:20.0 login to vote score 0
    There should be electronic medical records.

    -Ted Kennedy
    boobookitty 2568 2012-02-16 00:33:19.0 login to vote score 4
    phil_herup: They did surgery prior to the invention of radiography. Then as better imaging techniques and technology evolved, they were able to do a better and safer job. So why would more information ever be seen as unnecessary?

    If doctors felt that doing a transvaginal ultrasound was necessary for every abortion, the AMA would make it protocol. Politicians do not have the expertise in medicine required to determine what medical protocols doctors should follow. Should politicians tell doctors how to do open heart surgery as well? Should politicians be allowed to decree that every birth should be done by C-section? Should the state tell you how to extract a tooth?

    As I said before, I've had both the regular over the tummy sonogram and the transvaginal ultrasound done on me very recently...I'm due in three weeks. In every case I was allowed to see what was going on on the screen. I was able to see my baby much more clearly and from a wider varity of angles with the over the tummy scan than the vaginal scan. Anyhoo, until the AMA comes around saying that the vaginal probe is a necessary tool for safe/successful abortions, I'm going to stand firmly against a practice that seems to be motivated only by politics and nosy busy-bodies who have no business getting involved in the doctor/patient relationship.
    cannonhawk 849 2012-02-16 00:44:29.0 login to vote score 0
    boobookitty: If doctors felt that doing a transvaginal ultrasound was necessary for every abortion, the AMA would make it protocol. Politicians do not have the expertise in medicine required to determine what medical protocols doctors should follow. Should politicians tell doctors how to do open heart surgery as well? Should politicians be allowed to decree that every birth should be done by C-section? Should the state tell you how to extract a tooth?

    As I said before, I've had both the regular over the tummy sonogram and the transvaginal ultrasound done on me very recently...I'm due in three weeks. In every case I was allowed to see what was going on on the screen. I was able to see my baby much more clearly and from a wider varity of angles with the over the tummy scan than the vaginal scan. Anyhoo, until the AMA comes around saying that the vaginal probe is a necessary tool for safe/successful abortions, I'm going to stand firmly against a practice that seems to be motivated only by politics and nosy busy-bodies who have no business getting involved in the doctor/patient relationship.


    grats on the kid.
    pope sixtus ix 11309 2012-02-16 03:21:40.0 login to vote score 0
    polydactylkatze: The one I experienced was bigger than some men I've had.

    If it's hundreds/thousands, I can see how that can happen.
    phil_herup 8976 2012-02-16 04:55:17.0 login to vote score 0
    boobookitty: If doctors felt that doing a transvaginal ultrasound was necessary for every abortion, the AMA would make it protocol. Politicians do not have the expertise in medicine required to determine what medical protocols doctors should follow. Should politicians tell doctors how to do open heart surgery as well? Should politicians be allowed to decree that every birth should be done by C-section? Should the state tell you how to extract a tooth?

    As I said before, I've had both the regular over the tummy sonogram and the transvaginal ultrasound done on me very recently...I'm due in three weeks. In every case I was allowed to see what was going on on the screen. I was able to see my baby much more clearly and from a wider varity of angles with the over the tummy scan than the vaginal scan. Anyhoo, until the AMA comes around saying that the vaginal probe is a necessary tool for safe/successful abortions, I'm going to stand firmly against a practice that seems to be motivated only by politics and nosy busy-bodies who have no business getting involved in the doctor/patient relationship.




    The AMA does not "make protocol".

    I was referring to your claim it was "completely unnecessary ". You said it twice. I was asking about your expertise to make such a claim.
    polydactylkatze 641 2012-02-16 05:03:00.0 login to vote score 2
    pope sixtus ix: If it's hundreds/thousands, I can see how that can happen.

    It's not 1945. Women don't get so much insulted anymore when you insinuate they've had a lot of sex.
    ricardo shadowban 8391 2012-02-16 05:41:30.0 login to vote score 0
    polydactylkatze: It's not 1945. Women don't get so much insulted anymore when you insinuate they've had a lot of sex.

    Slut-shaming is a myth, film at 11.
    farkmeblind 482 2012-02-16 08:28:23.0 login to vote score 0
    quick1: Maybe you just have a small vagina?

    Then I do too. It's not "minimally" invasive, it's pretty damned invasive.
    boobookitty 2568 2012-02-16 11:20:14.0 login to vote score 0
    cannonhawk: grats on the kid.

    Thanks!


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