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    osirisothedead 1858 2012-02-27 08:25:34.0 login to vote score 24
    At least now she can become a police officer.
    gradivus 3607 2012-02-27 08:27:50.0 login to vote score 2
    She fell and bashed her head on the pavement. Looked like the fat bastard cop didnt feel like running. Im sure whatever her "crime" was the cops actions were fully justified.
    grotfabrieken rubbishhausen 561 2012-02-27 08:33:20.0 login to vote score 12
    osirisothedead: At least now she can become a police officer.

    Or a network admin in Vegas.
    intentionally left blank 2011 2012-02-27 08:36:09.0 login to vote score 1
    grotfabrieken rubbishhausen: Or a network admin in Vegas.

    NETWORK.BAT
    

    impasse 820 2012-02-27 08:43:06.0 login to vote score 5
    grotfabrieken rubbishhausen: Or a network admin in Vegas.

    Hey now, you at least need to be able to network to potato for that kind of job.
    spongegirl circleskirt 382 2012-02-27 08:46:42.0 login to vote score 3
    Eat your vegetables!
    l.darte 554 2012-02-27 08:58:54.0 login to vote score 6
    It's not fair to ask some fat pig to run after a girl a 1/3 his size in handcuffs for more than 10ft. Get real.
    intentionally left blank 2011 2012-02-27 09:02:13.0 login to vote score 0
    spongegirl circleskirt: Eat your vegetables!

    There's plenty of room for the vegetables
    Right next to the mashed potatoes.
    fatsean 3838 2012-02-27 09:09:04.0 login to vote score 1
    The ensuing lawsuit should be fun. Officer Fatass should be put on a strict diet and exersize program.
    bake 2096 2012-02-27 09:09:21.0 login to vote score 0
    fuckin sick
    this is why i hate humanity
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-02-27 09:20:17.0 login to vote score 1
    You are not supposed to shoot people who are not a threat.

    She was running away.

    What crime was she allegedly accused of that shooting her benefitted society?
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-02-27 09:33:57.0 login to vote score 2
    A taser gun is not a harpoon that you use to reel in escaping prey.
    canu 5003 2012-02-27 09:51:40.0 login to vote score 0
    the sonic dildo: A taser gun is not a harpoon that you use to reel in escaping prey.

    The police appear to disagree. FTA:"The Florida Department of Law Enforcement conducted an independent review of the incident," FHP spokesperson Sgt. Steve Gaskins said. "Their investigation found that the trooper's actions were legal and within the scope of his duties."
    l.darte 554 2012-02-27 10:20:03.0 login to vote score 3
    canu: The police appear to disagree. FTA:"The Florida Department of Law Enforcement conducted an independent review of the incident," FHP spokesperson Sgt. Steve Gaskins said. "Their investigation found that the trooper's actions were legal and within the scope of his duties."

    In other words, "We're fucked. We're going to get our asses sued for this act of stupidity. Let's try to downplay the retardedness of his actions."
    supergrover 373 2012-02-27 10:26:47.0 login to vote score 0
    canu: The police appear to disagree. FTA:"The Florida Department of Law Enforcement conducted an independent review of the incident," FHP spokesperson Sgt. Steve Gaskins said. "Their investigation found that the trooper's actions were legal and within the scope of his duties."

    Curious how they make that opinion jibe with the video.
    osirisothedead 1858 2012-02-27 10:29:06.0 login to vote score 7
    supergrover: Curious how they make that opinion jibe with the video.

    They could ask FOX News to add an applause track.
    sloth 222 2012-02-27 10:30:25.0 login to vote score 0
    supergrover: Curious how they make that opinion jibe with the video.

    She was fleeing custody, he used an approved less-lethal response. The finding is pretty unsurprising, considering. It would have been shocking if they'd said it was illegal or outside the scope of his duties.
    bake 2096 2012-02-27 11:34:14.0 login to vote score 2
    sloth: She was fleeing custody, he used an approved less-lethal response. The finding is pretty unsurprising, considering. It would have been shocking if they'd said it was illegal or outside the scope of his duties.

    they need a lazy clause in the cops definition of duties then
    psychonaut 72 2012-02-27 11:54:56.0 login to vote score 4
    Remember when police were selling the public on tasers by telling the public that they would only be used as an alternative to lethal force in situations where lethal force (i.e. guns) would otherwise be justified?

    Yeah, a handcuffed girl trying to run away is totally a threat that would otherwise call for lethal force.
    cmbyrd 693 2012-02-27 12:16:02.0 login to vote score 2
    psychonaut: Yeah, a handcuffed girl trying to run away is totally a threat that would otherwise call for lethal force.

    A 'few' years ago no, but lets play make believe...

    That cop's Tazer didn't work. Is he going to 1) try (and fail) to chase her, or 2) shoot her?
    fatsean 3838 2012-02-27 12:27:48.0 login to vote score 0
    psychonaut: Remember when police were selling the public on tasers by telling the public that they would only be used as an alternative to lethal force in situations where lethal force (i.e. guns) would otherwise be justified?

    Yeah, a handcuffed girl trying to run away is totally a threat that would otherwise call for lethal force.


    Cop probably realized that his fat ass would never be able to catcher her and went directly to the taser.

    vic rattlehead 1283 2012-02-27 12:30:01.0 login to vote score 1
    I read about this and the cops story is she ran out while handcuffed and was headed toward a busy street. He says he though tasing would be less injurious than tackling her, and he thought she was endangering herself.

    Now, I don't necessarily buy his whole story, but this was an accidental, although forseeable, injury. My take is that if you are going to try to run off from the police station while handcuffed, the gene pool just got a little cleaner.
    space 649 2012-02-27 12:38:59.0 login to vote score 1
    20 year old women now braindead? how could they tell the difference?
    bluegargoyle 635 2012-02-27 12:44:45.0 login to vote score 7
    Maybe if this lazy fuck wasn't a 267 lb sack of donut batter wrapped around a skeletal frame, he would have had the energy to actually run after her instead of resorting to zapping the girl. Expecting a cop to be able to run down and safely capture a 100 lb woman who was handcuffed at the time should not be outside the physical limits of a police officer.
    flashlv 1657 2012-02-27 12:45:05.0 login to vote score 0
    gradivus: She fell and bashed her head on the pavement. Looked like the fat bastard cop didnt feel like running. Im sure whatever her "crime" was the cops actions were fully justified.

    Sure were, he was cleared.


    flashlv 1657 2012-02-27 12:48:34.0 login to vote score 0
    What did the cop do wrong here? It is a tragedy we can all agree on that, the discussion we need to have is was he justified in tasing her when she was running from the police?

    What should the cops do if someone runs from them?

    What should cops do if someone resists them?

    Should the police put themselves in harms way if someone resists?

    Should the police go to a more harmful procedure to stop people, like shooting them or bashing them with a night stick?

    Anyone have these answers?
    bluegargoyle 635 2012-02-27 12:50:59.0 login to vote score 0
    bluegargoyle: 267 lb sack of donut batter

    It does tag.
    flashlv 1657 2012-02-27 12:51:41.0 login to vote score -1
    Also, why are they saying the taser caused the problem when it was clearly her head hitting the ground?
    bluegargoyle 635 2012-02-27 12:52:36.0 login to vote score 4
    flashlv: What should the cops do if someone runs from them?

    Maybe do what they did before tasers came along. CATCH THEM. For fuck's sake, she was like 5 feet in front of him when he fired, and wearing handcuffs. Could he not have at least tried to catch her?
    bluegargoyle 635 2012-02-27 12:54:05.0 login to vote score 5
    flashlv: Also, why are they saying the taser caused the problem when it was clearly her head hitting the ground?

    Wow. Does that logic work in every scenario?

    "Why is everyone blaming the officer for shooting the guy, when clearly the cause of death was actually a huge exit wound going through his back and causing massive blood loss?"
    flashlv 1657 2012-02-27 12:55:44.0 login to vote score 0
    bluegargoyle: Maybe do what they did before tasers came along. CATCH THEM. For fuck's sake, she was like 5 feet in front of him when he fired, and wearing handcuffs. Could he not have at least tried to catch her?

    You do realize that catching her and tackling her could have caused the same thng to happen? Do you think they catch them and throw them on a fluffy pillow?
    flashlv 1657 2012-02-27 12:56:10.0 login to vote score 0
    bluegargoyle: Wow. Does that logic work in every scenario?

    "Why is everyone blaming the officer for shooting the guy, when clearly the cause of death was actually a huge exit wound going through his back and causing massive blood loss?"


    Wow, why do you troll in every thread?
    bluegargoyle 635 2012-02-27 12:58:37.0 login to vote score 3
    flashlv: You do realize that catching her and tackling her could have caused the same thng to happen? Do you think they catch them and throw them on a fluffy pillow?

    He would have to tackle her? Again, a woman 5 feet in front of her, wearing handcuffs, unarmed- and he couldn't just grab her arm and stop her without falling on top of her like a sack of potatoes?


    flashlv: Wow, why do you troll in every thread?

    I'm not even in every thread- I'm hardly ever around these days. You must be thinking of somebody else. Hint: check a mirror.

    bake 2096 2012-02-27 12:58:38.0 login to vote score 3
    flashlv: Also, why are they saying the taser caused the problem when it was clearly her head hitting the ground?

    there is this thin in logic called cause and effect

    logic is involved, so i am sure it is a foreign concept to you
    psychonaut 72 2012-02-27 12:58:55.0 login to vote score 3
    flashlv: Sure were, he was cleared.

    Yes, he was cleared by the The Florida Department of Law Enforcement, which certainly wouldn't have any pro-cop bias, and certainly doesn't have any interest whatsoever in maintaining or expanding the criteria for using force against civilians.
    flashlv 1657 2012-02-27 13:01:03.0 login to vote score 0
    bluegargoyle: He would have to tackle her? Again, a woman 5 feet in front of her, wearing handcuffs, unarmed- and he couldn't just grab her arm and stop her without falling on top of her like a sack of potatoes?

    She started out 5 feet, but she would have been MUCH farther. He should have been gentle and not tackled her? Come on.




    bluegargoyle: I'm not even in every thread- I'm hardly ever around these days. You must be thinking of somebody else. Hint: check a mirror.

    Ask others, I haven't done that in a few days. So thanks for playing.

    psychonaut 72 2012-02-27 13:01:14.0 login to vote score 3
    flashlv: Wow, why do you troll in every thread?

    Project much?
    flashlv 1657 2012-02-27 13:01:52.0 login to vote score 0
    bake: there is this thin in logic called cause and effect

    logic is involved, so i am sure it is a foreign concept to you


    Please explain. What did I say that was wrong? Did the taser cause it or did her head hitting the ground cause it?
    flashlv 1657 2012-02-27 13:02:10.0 login to vote score 0
    psychonaut: Project much?

    Project much?
    flashlv 1657 2012-02-27 13:02:44.0 login to vote score 0
    psychonaut: Yes, he was cleared by the The Florida Department of Law Enforcement, which certainly wouldn't have any pro-cop bias, and certainly doesn't have any interest whatsoever in maintaining or expanding the criteria for using force against civilians.

    Did they do something wrong by clearing him? If so, post your source.
    supergrover 373 2012-02-27 13:03:27.0 login to vote score 2
    She was less than a foot away from his arm when he shot.
    see^
    This was used as a weapon and not as a tool.
    bake 2096 2012-02-27 13:03:48.0 login to vote score 2
    flashlv: Please explain. What did I say that was wrong? Did the taser cause it or did her head hitting the ground cause it?

    see, i told you it was foreign to you
    flashlv 1657 2012-02-27 13:05:21.0 login to vote score 0
    bake: see, i told you it was foreign to you

    *shrug* I guess you don't wan to have a discussion. I tried.
    bluegargoyle 635 2012-02-27 13:05:57.0 login to vote score 3
    flashlv: Please explain. What did I say that was wrong? Did the taser cause it or did her head hitting the ground cause it?

    Let me help. Her getting tased caused her to fall and hit her head, which in turn caused her brain death. The tasing is not some unrelated coincidental occurrence that has no relation to her death.


    supergrover 373 2012-02-27 13:07:06.0 login to vote score 4
    flashlv: *shrug* I guess you don't wan to have a discussion. I tried.

    What is there to discuss? I'm a supporter of law enforcement. You are a fealtor. You don't seem to understand that police aren't infallible.

    This girl was stupid as fuck to run, clearly. She compounded whatever situation she was already in by doing this. He, however, made zero attempt to use non-weapons related effort to stop her. He didn't even say "uh, stop?"

    flashlv 1657 2012-02-27 13:07:08.0 login to vote score 0
    bluegargoyle: Let me help. Her getting tased caused her to fall and hit her head, which in turn caused her brain death. The tasing is not some unrelated coincidental occurrence that has no relation to her death.

    No one said it was. But the tasing did NOT cause her death. Using logic we know this.

    Tasing her cause her to fall, but the shock of the taser did not cause her brain damage.
    bake 2096 2012-02-27 13:07:56.0 login to vote score 4
    flashlv: Did they do something wrong by clearing him? If so, post your source.

    flash, i know you love to stir shit, and at times it is really funny.

    but seriously dude, do you think this is right and proper?

    i am asking you in all seriousness. I have learned to accept your shinnanigans AND HAVE A GOOD LAUGH, BUT IF YOU REALLY SEE NOTHING WRONG WITH HOW THE COP HANDLED THIS SITUATION, I AM GOI(OOPS CAPS LOCK)ng out and getting the addon that will allow me to block you.

    it is a travesty that we have allowed ourselves as a society to accept this kind of laziness and dereliction of duty from those who are supposed to serve our interests
    flashlv 1657 2012-02-27 13:08:27.0 login to vote score 0
    supergrover: What is there to discuss? I'm a supporter of law enforcement. You are a fealtor. You don't seem to understand that police aren't infallible.

    This girl was stupid as fuck to run, clearly. She compounded whatever situation she was already in by doing this. He, however, made zero attempt to use non-weapons related effort to stop her. He didn't even say "uh, stop?"


    How the hell do you know that? You saw the very last part of the altercation. Do you have another video?

    Also STFU, I have said cops were wrong MANY times asshole.
    abt12monk 10796 2012-02-27 13:09:50.0 login to vote score 1
    flashlv: No one said it was. But the tasing did NOT cause her death. Using logic we know this.

    Tasing her cause her to fall, but the shock of the taser did not cause her brain damage.


    And it wasn't the fall that killed her, it was the sudden stop at the end, amirite?
    psychonaut 72 2012-02-27 13:10:34.0 login to vote score 1
    flashlv: Project much?

    Yes, that is what I asked you. You don't need to repeat the question, you can just answer it.
    flashlv 1657 2012-02-27 13:10:37.0 login to vote score 0
    bake: flash, i know you love to stir shit, and at times it is really funny.

    but seriously dude, do you think this is right and proper?

    i am asking you in all seriousness. I have learned to accept your shinnanigans AND HAVE A GOOD LAUGH, BUT IF YOU REALLY SEE NOTHING WRONG WITH HOW THE COP HANDLED THIS SITUATION, I AM GOI(OOPS CAPS LOCK)ng out and getting the addon that will allow me to block you.

    it is a travesty that we have allowed ourselves as a society to accept this kind of laziness and dereliction of duty from those who are supposed to serve our interests


    The only one stirring is you guys. I don't agree with your view, I know that is tough for you I guess.

    The cop could have handled it better, a better outcome could have come from this if he let her run away. I know this, but I'm saying the cop had options, chose the wrong one and cause her to hit her head.

    The question here is did the cop do something WRONG?

    No, he did nothing wrong.
    flashlv 1657 2012-02-27 13:11:06.0 login to vote score 0
    psychonaut: Yes, that is what I asked you. You don't need to repeat the question, you can just answer it.

    I was asking you the same question.
    quinblake 1476 2012-02-27 13:11:58.0 login to vote score 1
    Seriously? flash probably submitted this thread.
    flashlv 1657 2012-02-27 13:12:06.0 login to vote score 0
    abt12monk: And it wasn't the fall that killed her, it was the sudden stop at the end, amirite?

    Nope, it was the fall. But the taser did not cause it, it was her head hitting the ground.

    If it was the taser, she could have fallen differently, never hit her head and still been brain damaged.


    psychonaut 72 2012-02-27 13:12:16.0 login to vote score 1
    flashlv: Did they do something wrong by clearing him? If so, post your source.

    The source is the linked article, explaining how the girl is now brain dead because the cop thought tasering a handcuffed girl was easier than catching her, and the video in the linked article showing the cop tasering her when he easily should have been able to catch her in he's in any physical shape to be a cop.
    flashlv 1657 2012-02-27 13:12:22.0 login to vote score 0
    quinblake: Seriously? flash probably submitted this thread.

    Nope. Keep the conspiracy shit going though.
    psychonaut 72 2012-02-27 13:12:51.0 login to vote score 0
    *if* he's in any physical shape to be a cop.
    flashlv 1657 2012-02-27 13:13:24.0 login to vote score 0
    psychonaut: The source is the linked article, explaining how the girl is now brain dead because the cop thought tasering a handcuffed girl was easier than catching her, and the video in the linked article showing the cop tasering her when he easily should have been able to catch her in he's in any physical shape to be a cop.

    You have no idea what he is capable of though. But again, why do you make your conclusions from the unknown?
    abt12monk 10796 2012-02-27 13:14:40.0 login to vote score 1
    flashlv: The only one stirring is you guys. I don't agree with your view, I know that is tough for you I guess.

    The cop could have handled it better, a better outcome could have come from this if he let her run away. I know this, but I'm saying the cop had options, chose the wrong one and cause her to hit her head.

    The question here is did the cop do something WRONG?

    No, he did nothing wrong.


    If you mean he didn't break any rules, no, he did nothing wrong.

    "Just following orders," as they say.
    flashlv 1657 2012-02-27 13:15:43.0 login to vote score 0
    abt12monk: If you mean he didn't break any rules, no, he did nothing wrong.

    "Just following orders," as they say.


    Exactly, he didn't break ny rules or laws. He made a bad choice.
    bake 2096 2012-02-27 13:16:26.0 login to vote score 0
    you are dead to me flash.

    just when i thought you were becoming a bit amusing
    quinblake 1476 2012-02-27 13:16:38.0 login to vote score 1
    flashlv: Nope. Keep the conspiracy shit going though.

    It's just the same old conversation though. It's like they were waiting for you to come and defend the cops.
    flashlv 1657 2012-02-27 13:18:57.0 login to vote score 0
    quinblake: It's just the same old conversation though. It's like they were waiting for you to come and defend the cops.

    oh no doubt. But I am not defending anyone.
    flashlv 1657 2012-02-27 13:19:30.0 login to vote score 0
    bake: you are dead to me flash.

    just when i thought you were becoming a bit amusing


    This tragedy is not amusing though. Should not have happened but did.
    valaru 4404 2012-02-27 13:22:09.0 login to vote score 0
    Not watching the video, don't need to see someone's life be over.

    so the cop tased without warning on a handcuffed subject who was making an escape?

    there should have at least been a warning, and maybe a little foot race.


    psychonaut 72 2012-02-27 13:22:20.0 login to vote score 0
    flashlv: oh no doubt. But I am not defending anyone.

    The fuck you're not.
    flashlv 1657 2012-02-27 13:23:39.0 login to vote score 0
    valaru: Not watching the video, don't need to see someone's life be over.

    so the cop tased without warning on a handcuffed subject who was making an escape?

    there should have at least been a warning, and maybe a little foot race.


    Looks like there was a foot race or an altercation right before she ran.
    flashlv 1657 2012-02-27 13:24:21.0 login to vote score 0
    psychonaut: The fuck you're not.

    Who am I defending?


    flashlv: This tragedy is not amusing though. Should not have happened but did.


    flashlv: The only one stirring is you guys. I don't agree with your view, I know that is tough for you I guess.

    The cop could have handled it better, a better outcome could have come from this if he let her run away. I know this, but I'm saying the cop had options, chose the wrong one and cause her to hit her head.

    The question here is did the cop do something WRONG?

    No, he did nothing wrong.




    Too bad you think he did something wrong.
    valaru 4404 2012-02-27 13:25:42.0 login to vote score 1
    flashlv: Looks like there was a foot race or an altercation right before she ran.

    You be quiet, he could have made her kneel down, an executed her, and you would be defending him.
    flashlv 1657 2012-02-27 13:26:20.0 login to vote score 0
    valaru: You be quiet, he could have made her kneel down, an executed her, and you would be defending him.

    Troll all you want. But that's okay.
    flashlv 1657 2012-02-27 13:26:49.0 login to vote score 0
    valaru: You be quiet, he could have made her kneel down, an executed her, and you would be defending him.

    How can I defend someone that did nothing wrong or illegal?
    psychonaut 72 2012-02-27 13:27:11.0 login to vote score 2
    flashlv: You have no idea what he is capable of though. But again, why do you make your conclusions from the unknown?

    We *KNOW* there are minimum physical requirements that a cop is supposed to be able to meet.

    We *KNOW* that the public was sold on tasers as being a weapon that would used as a less-lethal (or, as they told the public, "non-lethal") alternative to firearms in a situation where lethal force may be used.

    We *KNOW* that this cop fired a tazer at a handcuffed girl that was running away. What part of that constitutes a threat to the officer or to other that would otherwise require the use of lethal force? If the cop hadn't had the taser, would he be pulling his gun and shooting this girl in the back with his sidearm? NO.

    What's unknown, here?
    brazil 316 2012-02-27 13:28:00.0 login to vote score 1
    We need more people manning the OWS barricades and tossing piss!

    Les Misérables!

    Yes, they certainly are.
    valaru 4404 2012-02-27 13:29:27.0 login to vote score 2
    flashlv: How can I defend someone that did nothing wrong or illegal?

    so daylight executions are now legal!?!

    (now, that is trolling, the other post was saying you are a such a cop lover, they probably have to get a restraining order to stop you from humping their squad cars)
    psychonaut 72 2012-02-27 13:30:38.0 login to vote score 3
    flashlv: How can I defend someone that did nothing wrong or illegal?

    If there were no question whether someone did something wrong or illegal, there would be no need for a defense.
    psychonaut 72 2012-02-27 13:34:19.0 login to vote score 0
    flashlv: Who am I defending?

    The idea of cops carrying tasers was sold to the public as a weapon that would be used as an alternative to lethal force in situations where lethal force would otherwise be justified and used. If you were a cop, and you had a firearm, but not a taser, would you be shooting a firearm at this girl to keep her from running into traffic?






    Too bad you think he did something wrong.



    psychonaut 72 2012-02-27 13:34:46.0 login to vote score 0
    Doh, some tag got messed up or something.
    psychonaut 72 2012-02-27 13:35:45.0 login to vote score 0
    Let's try this again:

    flashlv: Who am I defending?

    Too bad you think he did something wrong.


    The idea of cops carrying tasers was sold to the public as a weapon that would be used as an alternative to lethal force in situations where lethal force would otherwise be justified and used. If you were a cop, and you had a firearm, but not a taser, would you be shooting a firearm at this girl to keep her from running into traffic?
    valaru 4404 2012-02-27 13:37:30.0 login to vote score 2
    The taser has resulted in some very sloppy police work, it's supposed to be a less than lethal replacement for a firearm, but has become used as the goto tool for a lot of situations.

    It's not a crowd control tool, it's a weapon.
    psychonaut 72 2012-02-27 13:39:41.0 login to vote score 1
    valaru: The taser has resulted in some very sloppy police work, it's supposed to be a less than lethal replacement for a firearm, but has become used as the goto tool for a lot of situations.

    It's not a crowd control tool, it's a weapon.


    It's also not a compliance device for situations that are far from requiring lethal force, such as the case of tasering a person handcuffed to a hospital bed for refusing to give a blood sample.

    valaru 4404 2012-02-27 13:40:13.0 login to vote score 1
    And if this cop did do nothing against the rules (which would take a coroners inquest to determine, a nice 3rd party investigation, not other police playing circle the wagons)

    Then the rules and laws are obviously flawed.
    valaru 4404 2012-02-27 13:40:40.0 login to vote score 1
    psychonaut: It's also not a compliance device for situations that are far from requiring lethal force, such as the case of tasering a person handcuffed to a hospital bed for refusing to give a blood sample.

    agreed.
    bluegargoyle 635 2012-02-27 13:41:46.0 login to vote score 3
    quinblake 1476 2012-02-27 13:43:09.0 login to vote score 2
    valaru: And if this cop did do nothing against the rules (which would take a coroners inquest to determine, a nice 3rd party investigation, not other police playing circle the wagons)

    Then the rules and laws are obviously flawed.


    Could be worse, could be some liberal college professor trying to indoctrinate her or re-make her in Obama's image.
    psychonaut 72 2012-02-27 13:44:58.0 login to vote score 2
    bluegargoyle:

    I like how flash argues like a Tron light cycle contestant that traps themselves in an inward spiral: he keeps going round and round until there's nowhere left to go but headfirst into his own wall at full speed.
    valaru 4404 2012-02-27 13:44:59.0 login to vote score 0
    quinblake: Could be worse, could be some liberal college professor trying to indoctrinate her or re-make her in Obama's image.

    zoom, that one went over my head.
    quinblake 1476 2012-02-27 13:47:32.0 login to vote score 0
    valaru: zoom, that one went over my head.

    Oh, just another thread on the front page at the moment If you want to send kids to college, Santorum thinks you're a snob.

    code_7 6865 2012-02-27 14:02:18.0 login to vote score 1
    flashlv: Also STFU, I have said cops were wrong MANY times asshole.


    Source.

    flashlv 1657 2012-02-27 14:18:47.0 login to vote score 0
    psychonaut: We *KNOW* there are minimum physical requirements that a cop is supposed to be able to meet.

    We *KNOW* that the public was sold on tasers as being a weapon that would used as a less-lethal (or, as they told the public, "non-lethal") alternative to firearms in a situation where lethal force may be used.

    We *KNOW* that this cop fired a tazer at a handcuffed girl that was running away. What part of that constitutes a threat to the officer or to other that would otherwise require the use of lethal force? If the cop hadn't had the taser, would he be pulling his gun and shooting this girl in the back with his sidearm? NO.

    What's unknown, here?


    A taser is not used as lethal force, so I don't understand your question.
    flashlv 1657 2012-02-27 14:20:08.0 login to vote score 0
    psychonaut: If there were no question whether someone did something wrong or illegal, there would be no need for a defense.

    That's why I am not defending anyone.
    flashlv 1657 2012-02-27 14:21:04.0 login to vote score 0
    psychonaut: Let's try this again:



    The idea of cops carrying tasers was sold to the public as a weapon that would be used as an alternative to lethal force in situations where lethal force would otherwise be justified and used. If you were a cop, and you had a firearm, but not a taser, would you be shooting a firearm at this girl to keep her from running into traffic?


    Can you source that, thanks.

    flashlv 1657 2012-02-27 14:21:42.0 login to vote score 0
    valaru: The taser has resulted in some very sloppy police work, it's supposed to be a less than lethal replacement for a firearm, but has become used as the goto tool for a lot of situations.

    It's not a crowd control tool, it's a weapon.


    It is a weapon, a non-lethal weapon.
    psychonaut 72 2012-02-27 14:22:58.0 login to vote score 0
    flashlv: A taser is not used as lethal force, so I don't understand your question.

    The use of tasers by police officer was sold to the public by saying that tasers would only be used as a "non-lethal" (actually a reduced-lethality weapon) in situations where officers would normally have to resort to using lethal force.

    Do you consider a handcuffed person possibly running into traffic to be a situation where an officer without a taser would need to use lethal force against that person?
    flashlv 1657 2012-02-27 14:23:04.0 login to vote score 0
    psychonaut: I like how flash argues like a Tron light cycle contestant that traps themselves in an inward spiral: he keeps going round and round until there's nowhere left to go but headfirst into his own wall at full speed.

    Better than your way of arguing which is making shit up.
    flashlv 1657 2012-02-27 14:25:05.0 login to vote score 0
    psychonaut: The use of tasers by police officer was sold to the public by saying that tasers would only be used as a "non-lethal" (actually a reduced-lethality weapon) in situations where officers would normally have to resort to using lethal force.

    Do you consider a handcuffed person possibly running into traffic to be a situation where an officer without a taser would need to use lethal force against that person?


    Source your claim first and I will answer that.

    Normally he would have tackled her to stop her which could have lead to the same thing, right?

    flashlv 1657 2012-02-27 14:25:53.0 login to vote score 0
    psychonaut: It's also not a compliance device for situations that are far from requiring lethal force, such as the case of tasering a person handcuffed to a hospital bed for refusing to give a blood sample.

    Agree and that would be the cop doing something wrong.
    flashlv 1657 2012-02-27 14:26:07.0 login to vote score 0
    code_7: Source.


    flashlv: Agree and that would be the cop doing something wrong.


    If you logged in, you could post here.