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the sonic dildo: I m not Dick Morris or Karl Rove, but they have said that this would happen. So I think they might know what they are talking about.
How many Repub women are fans of the "In YOUR vagina" project? I'd bet fewer than you'd like.
How many Repub women are fans of the "In YOUR vagina" project? I'd bet fewer than you'd like.
the sonic dildo: They don't even report bad stuff for him, much less hold him to task for his actions.
The truth is boring baron. Glad you survived your ride yesterday.
Nothing you've said yet in this thread has been true. I am honestly looking for the truth in it and I can't find it.
The truth is boring baron. Glad you survived your ride yesterday.
Nothing you've said yet in this thread has been true. I am honestly looking for the truth in it and I can't find it.
pajamas: Nothing you've said yet in this thread has been true. I am honestly looking for the truth in it and I can't find it.
O hai pajamas.
I look forward to seeing if you can let me know where I am wrong in this thread and actually defending it. Unlike yesterday.
O hai pajamas.
I look forward to seeing if you can let me know where I am wrong in this thread and actually defending it. Unlike yesterday.
baron muchhumpin: survived today's ride too.. man this weather is nice!
and of course they report bad stuff, as i pointed out, the non-stop birth certificate coverage - and hey look actual numbers:
Negative coverage for the president outweighed positive coverage in each of the 23 weeks included in the study. On average, 9 percent of the stories about Obama were positive, compared to the 34 percent of coverage over the same time period that researchers deemed as negative. That time period even included Osama bin Laden’s death.
Ducati appreciation moment
Btw, some guy took his bike off an overpass in Oakland a week or so ago. Expecting bleeding hearts and anti-biker glee, I was rather surprised at how balanced a lot of the responses were. Many of the people starting a post with "organ donor" were riders. A few comments about how low the guard rails are, which I found both illuminating and scary.
and of course they report bad stuff, as i pointed out, the non-stop birth certificate coverage - and hey look actual numbers:
Negative coverage for the president outweighed positive coverage in each of the 23 weeks included in the study. On average, 9 percent of the stories about Obama were positive, compared to the 34 percent of coverage over the same time period that researchers deemed as negative. That time period even included Osama bin Laden’s death.
Ducati appreciation moment
Btw, some guy took his bike off an overpass in Oakland a week or so ago. Expecting bleeding hearts and anti-biker glee, I was rather surprised at how balanced a lot of the responses were. Many of the people starting a post with "organ donor" were riders. A few comments about how low the guard rails are, which I found both illuminating and scary.
the sonic dildo: O hai pajamas.
I look forward to seeing if you can let me know where I am wrong in this thread and actually defending it. Unlike yesterday.
Yes, I did post back to you yesterday. Your position seems to be "I don't see a problem, therefore it doesn't exist." That's not going to fly so well in the real world. And it does make me wonder what else you don't see.
I look forward to seeing if you can let me know where I am wrong in this thread and actually defending it. Unlike yesterday.
Yes, I did post back to you yesterday. Your position seems to be "I don't see a problem, therefore it doesn't exist." That's not going to fly so well in the real world. And it does make me wonder what else you don't see.
the sonic dildo:
I want to ask you something.
I notice you like to use the phrase "Drinking the Kool-Aid".
You do know where it comes from, right?
Do you think that phrase fits liberals more than conservatives and if so, why?
Thanks in advance. Looking forward to your answer. I need a good laugh.
I want to ask you something.
I notice you like to use the phrase "Drinking the Kool-Aid".
You do know where it comes from, right?
Do you think that phrase fits liberals more than conservatives and if so, why?
Thanks in advance. Looking forward to your answer. I need a good laugh.
whitebread: Ducati appreciation moment
Btw, some guy took his bike off an overpass in Oakland a week or so ago. Expecting bleeding hearts and anti-biker glee, I was rather surprised at how balanced a lot of the responses were. Many of the people starting a post with "organ donor" were riders. A few comments about how low the guard rails are, which I found both illuminating and scary.
that sucks, always a drag when a rider bites it. I came up on a crash 2 years ago. guy on a Gixxer 1000 came into an off-ramp way to fast, blew the turn and wiped in the median. the bike crushed him
he was wearing shorts and a t-shirt.. don't know if better gear would have helped this particular guy.. i always wear boot, jeans, textile jacket and full helmet (with bluetooth for MP3s! :) )
Btw, some guy took his bike off an overpass in Oakland a week or so ago. Expecting bleeding hearts and anti-biker glee, I was rather surprised at how balanced a lot of the responses were. Many of the people starting a post with "organ donor" were riders. A few comments about how low the guard rails are, which I found both illuminating and scary.
that sucks, always a drag when a rider bites it. I came up on a crash 2 years ago. guy on a Gixxer 1000 came into an off-ramp way to fast, blew the turn and wiped in the median. the bike crushed him
he was wearing shorts and a t-shirt.. don't know if better gear would have helped this particular guy.. i always wear boot, jeans, textile jacket and full helmet (with bluetooth for MP3s! :) )
baron muchhumpin: that sucks, always a drag when a rider bites it. I came up on a crash 2 years ago. guy on a Gixxer 1000 came into an off-ramp way to fast, blew the turn and wiped in the median. the bike crushed him
he was wearing shorts and a t-shirt.. don't know if better gear would have helped this particular guy.. i always wear boot, jeans, textile jacket and full helmet (with bluetooth for MP3s! :) )
I dearly loved riding motorcycles, but I have not climbed aboard one since I got married.
I took on responsibilities, which I can only put down when I'm dead. It was my own free choice.
Besides, you can be the absolutely best rider there's ever been, and some asshole will still turn in front of you and then claim to the officer filling out the fatal accident report that they "didn't see him".
he was wearing shorts and a t-shirt.. don't know if better gear would have helped this particular guy.. i always wear boot, jeans, textile jacket and full helmet (with bluetooth for MP3s! :) )
I dearly loved riding motorcycles, but I have not climbed aboard one since I got married.
I took on responsibilities, which I can only put down when I'm dead. It was my own free choice.
Besides, you can be the absolutely best rider there's ever been, and some asshole will still turn in front of you and then claim to the officer filling out the fatal accident report that they "didn't see him".
baron muchhumpin: that sucks, always a drag when a rider bites it. I came up on a crash 2 years ago. guy on a Gixxer 1000 came into an off-ramp way to fast, blew the turn and wiped in the median. the bike crushed him
he was wearing shorts and a t-shirt.. don't know if better gear would have helped this particular guy.. i always wear boot, jeans, textile jacket and full helmet (with bluetooth for MP3s! :) )
I tend to wear leathers and require a helmet. My friends laugh b/c they're old Harley people and are rabidly anti-helmet. I wear it anyway.
he was wearing shorts and a t-shirt.. don't know if better gear would have helped this particular guy.. i always wear boot, jeans, textile jacket and full helmet (with bluetooth for MP3s! :) )
I tend to wear leathers and require a helmet. My friends laugh b/c they're old Harley people and are rabidly anti-helmet. I wear it anyway.
pajamas: Yes, I did post back to you yesterday. Your position seems to be "I don't see a problem, therefore it doesn't exist." That's not going to fly so well in the real world. And it does make me wonder what else you don't see.
His own dick when he sits down at the computer?
\dont worry, Phil , I have frists and cankles.
His own dick when he sits down at the computer?
\dont worry, Phil , I have frists and cankles.
spongegirl circleskirt: His own dick when he sits down at the computer?
dont worry, Phil , I have frists and cankles.
Ooooh, you go girl!!
dont worry, Phil , I have frists and cankles.
Ooooh, you go girl!!
gradivus: I will still bet anyone any amount of money that Obama is president this time next year.
Is anyone taking? I doubt it.
Is anyone taking? I doubt it.
whitebread: I tend to wear leathers and require a helmet. My friends laugh b/c they're old Harley people and are rabidly anti-helmet. I wear it anyway.
Don't they remember who else was anti-helmet?
There's always the chance it won't kill you outright.
Don't they remember who else was anti-helmet?
There's always the chance it won't kill you outright.
vet_curm: Don't they remember who else was anti-helmet?
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There's always the chance it won't kill you outright.
*sigh* they didn't care. However, now my friend has gotten rid of her bf, lost her father and gained 1.8 grandchildren (1 due next month or so) and perhaps her relation to danger has been altered.
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There's always the chance it won't kill you outright.
*sigh* they didn't care. However, now my friend has gotten rid of her bf, lost her father and gained 1.8 grandchildren (1 due next month or so) and perhaps her relation to danger has been altered.
gradivus: I will still bet anyone any amount of money that Obama is president this time next year.
I'll betcha a dollar you're correct ;*D
I'll betcha a dollar you're correct ;*D
baron muchhumpin: Are we good with the "corrupt media" talking point now?
Good.
I'm still waiting for this one;
roddikinsathome: How many Repub women are fans of the "In YOUR vagina" project? I'd bet fewer than you'd like.
Not holding my breath.
Good.
I'm still waiting for this one;
roddikinsathome: How many Repub women are fans of the "In YOUR vagina" project? I'd bet fewer than you'd like.
Not holding my breath.
roddikinsathome: I'm still waiting for this one;
Not holding my breath.
Quite a few, but not nearly as many as think the "let's shrink government small enough that it can fit in your vagina" plank is ridiculous.
Not holding my breath.
Quite a few, but not nearly as many as think the "let's shrink government small enough that it can fit in your vagina" plank is ridiculous.
the sonic dildo: Romney polls very well with independents. Using the GOP primary as your barometer of doubt is a mistake. The independents will decide the election. Just look at how good Romney does in the liberal states. He crushes the conservative GOP candidates.
You are a partisan moron anyway, so take it that for whatever you want.
Mitt Romney is a man of pure intentions, who has never broken and law and never lifted a finger to hurt anyone. He is a friend to animals. He makes children smile and adults laugh with his warm, inviting demeanor. Mitt Romney is kindhearted and gentle. Mitt Romney is a gifted pianist and well spoken. Mitt Romney attends church regularly, gives to the poor and offers much of his time to charitable events.
Mitt Romney once saved a baby from a burning building; true story. He has fought for our country in no less than 7 major wars, including World War II and recently in Afghanistan. Mitt Romney has saved 1,578 of his fellow soldiers from certain death with his selfless heroism. Mitt Romney was been instrumental in forging most current NATO alliances. Mitt Romney regularly has lunch with the Queen of England. Mitt Romney is the secret president of MENSA, and build warp drive propulsion systems in his spare time.
Mitt Romney can fly, like Superman.
You are a partisan moron anyway, so take it that for whatever you want.
Mitt Romney is a man of pure intentions, who has never broken and law and never lifted a finger to hurt anyone. He is a friend to animals. He makes children smile and adults laugh with his warm, inviting demeanor. Mitt Romney is kindhearted and gentle. Mitt Romney is a gifted pianist and well spoken. Mitt Romney attends church regularly, gives to the poor and offers much of his time to charitable events.
Mitt Romney once saved a baby from a burning building; true story. He has fought for our country in no less than 7 major wars, including World War II and recently in Afghanistan. Mitt Romney has saved 1,578 of his fellow soldiers from certain death with his selfless heroism. Mitt Romney was been instrumental in forging most current NATO alliances. Mitt Romney regularly has lunch with the Queen of England. Mitt Romney is the secret president of MENSA, and build warp drive propulsion systems in his spare time.
Mitt Romney can fly, like Superman.
pajamas: Yes, I did post back to you yesterday. Your position seems to be "I don't see a problem, therefore it doesn't exist." That's not going to fly so well in the real world. And it does make me wonder what else you don't see.
That is not fair at all. I explained each of your points, and showed that the points were not as valid as you claimed with examples as to why. You then left the thread
For you to come out like this today and claim that you did is typical left wing dishonesty.
That is not fair at all. I explained each of your points, and showed that the points were not as valid as you claimed with examples as to why. You then left the thread
For you to come out like this today and claim that you did is typical left wing dishonesty.
whitebread: I tend to wear leathers and require a helmet. My friends laugh b/c they're old Harley people and are rabidly anti-helmet. I wear it anyway.
Harley people are morons. They spend so much money on pieces of shit.
Harley people are morons. They spend so much money on pieces of shit.
swingingjohnson: I want to ask you something.
I notice you like to use the phrase "Drinking the Kool-Aid".
You do know where it comes from, right?
Do you think that phrase fits liberals more than conservatives and if so, why?
Thanks in advance. Looking forward to your answer. I need a good laugh.
"Drinking the Kool Aid" is used for anyone who blindly follows. Since our currrent ruling class is Democrats, it fits libs now very well.
I notice you like to use the phrase "Drinking the Kool-Aid".
You do know where it comes from, right?
Do you think that phrase fits liberals more than conservatives and if so, why?
Thanks in advance. Looking forward to your answer. I need a good laugh.
"Drinking the Kool Aid" is used for anyone who blindly follows. Since our currrent ruling class is Democrats, it fits libs now very well.
spongegirl circleskirt: His own dick when he sits down at the computer?
dont worry, Phil , I have frists and cankles.
You are still beautiful to me. WTF is a "frist"?
dont worry, Phil , I have frists and cankles.
You are still beautiful to me. WTF is a "frist"?
the sonic dildo: You are still beautiful to me. WTF is a "frist"?
I was told this morning I had no wrists because I'm fat by somebody on this site. Fist +wrist.
To be fair, I called him a fatass first.
I was told this morning I had no wrists because I'm fat by somebody on this site. Fist +wrist.
To be fair, I called him a fatass first.
the sonic dildo: That is not fair at all. I explained each of your points, and showed that the points were not as valid as you claimed with examples as to why. You then left the thread
For you to come out like this today and claim that you did is typical left wing dishonesty.
You seem to think that disagreeing is explaining. It isn't. For example, you responded "There really are no reproductive right interferences anywhere in the USA" after years of the far right fighting to restrict access to reproductive health services, trigger laws, campaigns to restrict liberties, insane regulations and waiting periods, invasive procedures and "expert testimony" that includes not one woman, you still have the gall to insist that.
For you to come out like this today and claim that you did is typical left wing dishonesty.
You seem to think that disagreeing is explaining. It isn't. For example, you responded "There really are no reproductive right interferences anywhere in the USA" after years of the far right fighting to restrict access to reproductive health services, trigger laws, campaigns to restrict liberties, insane regulations and waiting periods, invasive procedures and "expert testimony" that includes not one woman, you still have the gall to insist that.
pajamas: You seem to think that disagreeing is explaining. It isn't. For example, you responded "There really are no reproductive right interferences anywhere in the USA" after years of the far right fighting to restrict access to reproductive health services, trigger laws, campaigns to restrict liberties, insane regulations and waiting periods, invasive procedures and "expert testimony" that includes not one woman, you still have the gall to insist that.
Abortion is legal. Can't get much more freedom than that in reproductive rights can you? There is more than adequate access to reproductive care and contraception, Title X is quite clear on this.
As far as your endless rants on the hearing that did not include even "one woman", none were necessary. Do you know why? Because it was not about women. The debate was about the government forcing a religious institution to fund a procedure that was against its morals. Just because you and the White House and the rest of the left is trying real hard to make this a women's health issue, it is not. And, I have explained that plenty with you and I have shown why in your numerous attempts to make it a health issue, it was not.
Abortion is legal. Can't get much more freedom than that in reproductive rights can you? There is more than adequate access to reproductive care and contraception, Title X is quite clear on this.
As far as your endless rants on the hearing that did not include even "one woman", none were necessary. Do you know why? Because it was not about women. The debate was about the government forcing a religious institution to fund a procedure that was against its morals. Just because you and the White House and the rest of the left is trying real hard to make this a women's health issue, it is not. And, I have explained that plenty with you and I have shown why in your numerous attempts to make it a health issue, it was not.
the sonic dildo: Abortion is legal. Can't get much more freedom than that in reproductive rights can you?
Prostitution is legal too, but you try to enjoy it you'll find that there's interference all over the place.
Prostitution is legal too, but you try to enjoy it you'll find that there's interference all over the place.
spongegirl circleskirt: I was told this morning I had no wrists because I'm fat by somebody on this site. Fist +wrist.
To be fair, I called him a fatass first.
You funny.
To be fair, I called him a fatass first.
You funny.
ricardo shadowban: Prostitution is legal too, but you try to enjoy it you'll find that there's interference all over the place.
Is prostitution legal outside of Nevada? I think that it should be legal, no government should interfere with adults and their bodies.
Is prostitution legal outside of Nevada? I think that it should be legal, no government should interfere with adults and their bodies.
the sonic dildo: Abortion is legal. Can't get much more freedom than that in reproductive rights can you? There is more than adequate access to reproductive care and contraception, Title X is quite clear on this.
Only 13% of counties in the US have abortion providers. The Economics of Abortion Access in the US covers lots of other issues.
Only 13% of counties in the US have abortion providers. The Economics of Abortion Access in the US covers lots of other issues.
the sonic dildo: Abortion is legal. Can't get much more freedom than that in reproductive rights can you?
Yes, you can. You can not have trigger laws that are prepared to make it illegal once Roe V. Wade is overturned, something the major republican candidates have vowed to do. You can stop passing laws that force women to go through insane procedures to gain access to reproductive care. You can stop passing legislation that strips reproductive care facilities of funding and forces insane restrictions on them. You can stop demonizing providers of reproductive care and woman who access those services. You can stop letting employers make reproductive health choices for women. you can include women in the conversation about women's reproductive health. In short, you can not be a republican.
The republican party is the part of "fuck you" to women. The fact that you don't see it is just part of the problem.
Yes, you can. You can not have trigger laws that are prepared to make it illegal once Roe V. Wade is overturned, something the major republican candidates have vowed to do. You can stop passing laws that force women to go through insane procedures to gain access to reproductive care. You can stop passing legislation that strips reproductive care facilities of funding and forces insane restrictions on them. You can stop demonizing providers of reproductive care and woman who access those services. You can stop letting employers make reproductive health choices for women. you can include women in the conversation about women's reproductive health. In short, you can not be a republican.
The republican party is the part of "fuck you" to women. The fact that you don't see it is just part of the problem.
pajamas: The republican party is the party of "fuck you" to women. The fact that you don't see it is just part of the problem.
Here comes the part where he mansplains about fiscal conservatism and social libertarianism.
Here comes the part where he mansplains about fiscal conservatism and social libertarianism.
the sonic dildo: Abortion is legal. Can't get much more freedom than that in reproductive rights can you? There is more than adequate access to reproductive care and contraception, Title X is quite clear on this.
As far as your endless rants on the hearing that did not include even "one woman", none were necessary. Do you know why? Because it was not about women. The debate was about the government forcing a religious institution to fund a procedure that was against its morals. Just because you and the White House and the rest of the left is trying real hard to make this a women's health issue, it is not. And, I have explained that plenty with you and I have shown why in your numerous attempts to make it a health issue, it was not.
And you haven't 'explained" or "shown" anything. You have presented your opinion. And it's been silly every time. You are not everyone's dad. We don't have to just take your word for it.
As far as your endless rants on the hearing that did not include even "one woman", none were necessary. Do you know why? Because it was not about women. The debate was about the government forcing a religious institution to fund a procedure that was against its morals. Just because you and the White House and the rest of the left is trying real hard to make this a women's health issue, it is not. And, I have explained that plenty with you and I have shown why in your numerous attempts to make it a health issue, it was not.
And you haven't 'explained" or "shown" anything. You have presented your opinion. And it's been silly every time. You are not everyone's dad. We don't have to just take your word for it.
sabine: Here comes the part where he mansplains about fiscal conservatism and social libertarianism.
As if the Republicans were fiscal conservatives...
As if the Republicans were fiscal conservatives...
pajamas: Yes, you can. You can not have trigger laws that are prepared to make it illegal once Roe V. Wade is overturned
Oh stop. That will never... ever.. happen. That boogeyman has sailed.
Oh stop. That will never... ever.. happen. That boogeyman has sailed.
pajamas: You can stop passing legislation that strips reproductive care facilities of funding and forces insane restrictions on them.
Funding for what exactly? That is always the question. There are going to be hearings about the funding and what exactly it has funded.
pajamas: You can stop demonizing providers of reproductive care and woman who access those services.
Demonizing? When you say "reproductive care" you must be talking about ABORTIONS. So why cloak it?
Funding for what exactly? That is always the question. There are going to be hearings about the funding and what exactly it has funded.
pajamas: You can stop demonizing providers of reproductive care and woman who access those services.
Demonizing? When you say "reproductive care" you must be talking about ABORTIONS. So why cloak it?
the sonic dildo: When you say "reproductive care" you must be talking about ABORTIONS. So why cloak it?
We call grocery stores "grocery stores" or "supermarkets" even though they sell BACON.
We call grocery stores "grocery stores" or "supermarkets" even though they sell BACON.
pajamas: You can stop letting employers make reproductive health choices for women. you can include women in the conversation about women's reproductive health. In short, you can not be a republican.
Holy shit. You are just never going to stop are you? You claim I have not answered or replied to your points (when I clearly have) Then you sit back and continue the lie that this is a a matter of "reproductive health choices for women" and that employers are interfering with their choices WHEN THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY NOT INTERFERING WITH ANY CHOICE AT ALL.
They just don't want to pay for contraceptives as they have moral problems with it.
With every issue on this you simply rephrase the nonsense. as if I or any sane person is not going to be see right through it.
Holy shit. You are just never going to stop are you? You claim I have not answered or replied to your points (when I clearly have) Then you sit back and continue the lie that this is a a matter of "reproductive health choices for women" and that employers are interfering with their choices WHEN THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY NOT INTERFERING WITH ANY CHOICE AT ALL.
They just don't want to pay for contraceptives as they have moral problems with it.
With every issue on this you simply rephrase the nonsense. as if I or any sane person is not going to be see right through it.
sabine: We call grocery stores "grocery stores" or "supermarkets" even though they sell BACON.
bad analogy bro/sis
bad analogy bro/sis
the sonic dildo: Oh stop. That will never... ever.. happen. That boogeyman has sailed.
Have you not heard of a little state named Virginia, and thier brand new shiny "Shove things IN YOUR VAGINA!" law, all signed into law & stuff? No?
Have you not heard of a little state named Virginia, and thier brand new shiny "Shove things IN YOUR VAGINA!" law, all signed into law & stuff? No?
roddikinsathome: Have you not heard of a little state named Virginia, and thier brand new shiny "Shove things IN YOUR VAGINA!" law, all signed into law & stuff? No?
Did you ever here the difference between state and federal laws. We are discussing Federal stuff.
Also, that law is just not going to happen.
Did you ever here the difference between state and federal laws. We are discussing Federal stuff.
Also, that law is just not going to happen.
sabine: What Planned Parenthood actually does, in one chart.
You are missing the point. I was referring to pajamas choice of words. What type of women's health care is demonized?
You are missing the point. I was referring to pajamas choice of words. What type of women's health care is demonized?
sabine: We call grocery stores "grocery stores" or "supermarkets" even though they sell BACON.
And many NOT edible things, cleaning products, lamps, books, socks, and other mono-sylable non-food stuff.
And many NOT edible things, cleaning products, lamps, books, socks, and other mono-sylable non-food stuff.
the sonic dildo: You are missing the point. I was referring to pajamas choice of words. What type of women's health care is demonized?
She said "demonizing providers of reproductive care". Given the recent spate of attempts to ACORNinate Planned Parenthood, I assumed that was probably the example she had foremost in mind.
She said "demonizing providers of reproductive care". Given the recent spate of attempts to ACORNinate Planned Parenthood, I assumed that was probably the example she had foremost in mind.
the sonic dildo: Did you ever here the difference between state and federal laws. We are discussing Federal stuff.
Planned Parenthood v. Casey significantly weakened Roe at the federal level, resulting in states having considerably greater latitude in drafting restrictions on abortion.
Planned Parenthood v. Casey significantly weakened Roe at the federal level, resulting in states having considerably greater latitude in drafting restrictions on abortion.
the sonic dildo: Did you ever here the difference between state and federal laws. We are discussing Federal stuff.
Also, that law is just not going to happen.
It was signed into law and everything. Perhaps you are unaware that it happened (past tense).
Also, that law is just not going to happen.
It was signed into law and everything. Perhaps you are unaware that it happened (past tense).
roddikinsathome: It was signed into law and everything. Perhaps you are unaware that it happened (past tense).
I am.
Our new national nightmare has begun.
I am.
Our new national nightmare has begun.
the sonic dildo: Funding for what exactly? [snip] Demonizing? When you say "reproductive care" you must be talking about ABORTIONS. So why cloak it?
Pap smears, mamo-grams and pelvic exams are not abortions, perhaps you are unaware that it is not the same.
Pap smears, mamo-grams and pelvic exams are not abortions, perhaps you are unaware that it is not the same.
sabine: She said "demonizing providers of reproductive care". Given the recent spate of attempts to ACORNinate Planned Parenthood, I assumed that was probably the example she had foremost in mind.
There is only one type of providers of reproductive health care that are demonized.
There is only one type of providers of reproductive health care that are demonized.
roddikinsathome: Pap smears, mamo-grams and pelvic exams are not abortions, perhaps you are unaware that it is not the same.
Do they demonize pap smears and mammograms?
Do they demonize pap smears and mammograms?
the sonic dildo: There is only one type of providers of reproductive health care that are demonized.
That's why I thought comparing your position to a mullah standing outside the local Kroger frothing about the Infidel Baconmart made sense.
That's why I thought comparing your position to a mullah standing outside the local Kroger frothing about the Infidel Baconmart made sense.
the sonic dildo:
Demonizing? When you say "reproductive care" you must be talking about ABORTIONS. So why cloak it?
No one is cloaking it. This is the reality. Places like Planned parenthood do an awful lot. And all of it is important. In their fervor to tear down access to ABORTION, the right has managed to mangle and attack reproductive care in general.
ABORTION
Demonizing? When you say "reproductive care" you must be talking about ABORTIONS. So why cloak it?
No one is cloaking it. This is the reality. Places like Planned parenthood do an awful lot. And all of it is important. In their fervor to tear down access to ABORTION, the right has managed to mangle and attack reproductive care in general.
ABORTION
the sonic dildo: I am.
Our new national nightmare has begun.
As you cheer on the politics making these things happen. Perhaps you are unaware of Mitt Romneys position on "person-hood". It is difficult keeping up with his rather 'fluid' positions.
Our new national nightmare has begun.
As you cheer on the politics making these things happen. Perhaps you are unaware of Mitt Romneys position on "person-hood". It is difficult keeping up with his rather 'fluid' positions.
the sonic dildo: Did you ever here the difference between state and federal laws. We are discussing Federal stuff.
Also, that law is just not going to happen.
It's not comforting when the Republican party proposes INSANE things and the average republican goes along with it because "it's just not going to happen".
Also, that law is just not going to happen.
It's not comforting when the Republican party proposes INSANE things and the average republican goes along with it because "it's just not going to happen".
pajamas: No one is cloaking it. This is the reality. Places like Planned parenthood do an awful lot. And all of it is important. In their fervor to tear down access to ABORTION, the right has managed to mangle and attack reproductive care in general.
ABORTION
Some people think that abortion is murder. Organizations that perform them will feel the wrath.
pajamas: It's not comforting when the Republican party proposes INSANE things and the average republican goes along with it because "it's just not going to happen".
There are plenty of thing that happen on both sides that are insane. You are not immune.
ABORTION
Some people think that abortion is murder. Organizations that perform them will feel the wrath.
pajamas: It's not comforting when the Republican party proposes INSANE things and the average republican goes along with it because "it's just not going to happen".
There are plenty of thing that happen on both sides that are insane. You are not immune.
the sonic dildo: Do they demonize pap smears and mammograms?
These services have been demonized when they are provided by PLanned Parenthood.
These services have been demonized when they are provided by PLanned Parenthood.
sabine: That's why I thought comparing your position to a mullah standing outside the local Kroger frothing about the Infidel Baconmart made sense.
Well OK... but you were a little too obscure for my pea brain there.
Well OK... but you were a little too obscure for my pea brain there.
the sonic dildo: Some people think that abortion is murder. Organizations that perform them will feel the wrath.
And some people feel that bacon is taboo. If they work their asses off to make sure supermarkets shut down, they will be hurting a lot of people.
Why can't religious people, once they decide that something is against their religion, just stop doing that thing? Why do they have to lie, coerce and force other people to not do it as well?
And some people feel that bacon is taboo. If they work their asses off to make sure supermarkets shut down, they will be hurting a lot of people.
Why can't religious people, once they decide that something is against their religion, just stop doing that thing? Why do they have to lie, coerce and force other people to not do it as well?
roddikinsathome: These services have been demonized when they are provided by PLanned Parenthood.
And defunded (Komen) until the community outcry grew too great.
And defunded (Komen) until the community outcry grew too great.
the sonic dildo: Do they demonize pap smears and mammograms?
no they don't. but when the party you 100% blindly side with talks about cutting funding to PP they don't make a distinction either, so ALL SERVICES THEY PROVIDE ARE AFFECTED - for you to claim this isn't the case shows you'll go to any length to twist and distort the true plans of your party
no they don't. but when the party you 100% blindly side with talks about cutting funding to PP they don't make a distinction either, so ALL SERVICES THEY PROVIDE ARE AFFECTED - for you to claim this isn't the case shows you'll go to any length to twist and distort the true plans of your party
pajamas: Why can't religious people, once they decide that something is against their religion, just stop doing that thing? Why do they have to lie, coerce and force other people to not do it as well?
Excuse me. What are the religious people forcing anyone to do now?
Excuse me. What are the religious people forcing anyone to do now?
the sonic dildo: Excuse me. What are the religious people forcing anyone to do now?
oh please, if you're going to post as flash please change your login
oh please, if you're going to post as flash please change your login
the sonic dildo: Excuse me. What are the religious people forcing anyone to do now?
It's clear you don't see it. Good luck in the election.
It's clear you don't see it. Good luck in the election.
pajamas: It's clear you don't see it.
Can you indulge me then? Your post did not specify what religious people are forcing people to do or not to do. I don't think it is too much to ask.
pajamas: Good luck in the election.
I see you are hoping, as are most Democrats, that this election will be primarily on social issues. It won't be.
This whole move by the Obama campaign to start this is exactly why they brought this up in the first. They are literally using this regulation to steer attention away form the horrible way they have managed the debt and the economy.
Can you indulge me then? Your post did not specify what religious people are forcing people to do or not to do. I don't think it is too much to ask.
pajamas: Good luck in the election.
I see you are hoping, as are most Democrats, that this election will be primarily on social issues. It won't be.
This whole move by the Obama campaign to start this is exactly why they brought this up in the first. They are literally using this regulation to steer attention away form the horrible way they have managed the debt and the economy.
baron muchhumpin: no they don't. but when the party you 100% blindly side with talks about cutting funding to PP they don't make a distinction either, so ALL SERVICES THEY PROVIDE ARE AFFECTED - for you to claim this isn't the case shows you'll go to any length to twist and distort the true plans of your party
Well then , hopefully the upcoming hearing on where the money does go will clear everything up. I think Daryl Issa might be chairing it. Do you like him?
Well then , hopefully the upcoming hearing on where the money does go will clear everything up. I think Daryl Issa might be chairing it. Do you like him?
the sonic dildo:
This whole move by the Obama campaign to start this is exactly why they brought this up in the first. They are literally using this regulation to steer attention away form the horrible way they have managed the debt and the economy.
i see you are still towing this horse shit line.
so which is it? The DEMs are super smart for forcing the REPUBs to actually say what their positions are on social issues, thus forcing their hand
OR
The REPUBs are just assholes and REALLY want to control people's personal lives and DO pander to right-wing crowds for votes, thus nullifying your entire premise
This whole move by the Obama campaign to start this is exactly why they brought this up in the first. They are literally using this regulation to steer attention away form the horrible way they have managed the debt and the economy.
i see you are still towing this horse shit line.
so which is it? The DEMs are super smart for forcing the REPUBs to actually say what their positions are on social issues, thus forcing their hand
OR
The REPUBs are just assholes and REALLY want to control people's personal lives and DO pander to right-wing crowds for votes, thus nullifying your entire premise
the sonic dildo: Well then , hopefully the upcoming hearing on where the money does go will clear everything up. I think Daryl Issa might be chairing it. Do you like him?
I think he's dreamy.
I think he's dreamy.
the sonic dildo: Well then , hopefully the upcoming hearing on where the money does go will clear everything up. I think Daryl Issa might be chairing it. Do you like him?
if this holds true i can't see how i would
Issa has voted with the majority of House Republicans 94.7% of the time during the 111th Congress.[27] He has generally conservative political views.
if this holds true i can't see how i would
Issa has voted with the majority of House Republicans 94.7% of the time during the 111th Congress.[27] He has generally conservative political views.
baron muchhumpin: if this holds true i can't see how i would
Issa has voted with the majority of House Republicans 94.7% of the time during the 111th Congress.[27] He has generally conservative political views.
Why? Don't you want to know the truth? He is trying to uncover Fast and Furious now.
Issa has voted with the majority of House Republicans 94.7% of the time during the 111th Congress.[27] He has generally conservative political views.
Why? Don't you want to know the truth? He is trying to uncover Fast and Furious now.
the sonic dildo: Your post did not specify what religious people are forcing people to do or not to do.
Carry unintended pregnancies to term.
Carry unintended pregnancies to term.
the sonic dildo: Why? Don't you want to know the truth? He is trying to uncover Fast and Furious now.
clearly F&F is exactly what we're discussing here
are you going to equate misappropriated funds for an illegal gun running operation with what PP provides for women?
clearly F&F is exactly what we're discussing here
are you going to equate misappropriated funds for an illegal gun running operation with what PP provides for women?
the sonic dildo: Can you indulge me then? Your post did not specify what religious people are forcing people to do or not to do. I don't think it is too much to ask.
So what I'm not going to is backtrack across this entire conversation. You don't think that the Republicans are driven right now by the religious right who are determined to fight equality for homosexuals, access to reproductive services for women and key liberal social issues. I don't believe you don't see it. I don't believe that you don't see what Rick Santorum is doing. I don't believe you haven't watched these debates. And I don't believe you are this dense.
the sonic dildo:
I see you are hoping, as are most Democrats, that this election will be primarily on social issues. It won't be.
This whole move by the Obama campaign to start this is exactly why they brought this up in the first. They are literally using this regulation to steer attention away form the horrible way they have managed the debt and the economy.
So Obama somehow made this election about Social issues? You have a hyperinflated view of the competency of your own party. The republicans chose this battlefield. I hope they enjoy it.
So what I'm not going to is backtrack across this entire conversation. You don't think that the Republicans are driven right now by the religious right who are determined to fight equality for homosexuals, access to reproductive services for women and key liberal social issues. I don't believe you don't see it. I don't believe that you don't see what Rick Santorum is doing. I don't believe you haven't watched these debates. And I don't believe you are this dense.
the sonic dildo:
I see you are hoping, as are most Democrats, that this election will be primarily on social issues. It won't be.
This whole move by the Obama campaign to start this is exactly why they brought this up in the first. They are literally using this regulation to steer attention away form the horrible way they have managed the debt and the economy.
So Obama somehow made this election about Social issues? You have a hyperinflated view of the competency of your own party. The republicans chose this battlefield. I hope they enjoy it.
sabine: Carry unintended pregnancies to term.
ya know it's really interesting the belief in America that your opinion on what someone else does with their body is any of your business.
my mother-in-law grew up in Japan. she remembers her mother telling her that the lady next door had an abortion. My MiL's mother just mentioned it in passing and that was the end of it, no stigma, no judging, nothing.
But in America why do a certain, yet small, group think what other people do with their DRs, spouses, kids is any of their business?
ya know it's really interesting the belief in America that your opinion on what someone else does with their body is any of your business.
my mother-in-law grew up in Japan. she remembers her mother telling her that the lady next door had an abortion. My MiL's mother just mentioned it in passing and that was the end of it, no stigma, no judging, nothing.
But in America why do a certain, yet small, group think what other people do with their DRs, spouses, kids is any of their business?
baron muchhumpin: i see you are still towing this horse shit line.
so which is it? The DEMs are super smart for forcing the REPUBs to actually say what their positions are on social issues, thus forcing their hand
OR
The REPUBs are just assholes and REALLY want to control people's personal lives and DO pander to right-wing crowds for votes, thus nullifying your entire premise
It is exactly what I said. I won't say it is super smart, but it is working. What the Obama administration is is calculating and scheming. Maximizing the political gain from any and all issue.
Do you really think the announcement of this regulation was anything but?
Also trolling priests and bishops with contraception is not clever, it actually borders on desperation. The Democrats are desperate. Their record is just awful.
so which is it? The DEMs are super smart for forcing the REPUBs to actually say what their positions are on social issues, thus forcing their hand
OR
The REPUBs are just assholes and REALLY want to control people's personal lives and DO pander to right-wing crowds for votes, thus nullifying your entire premise
It is exactly what I said. I won't say it is super smart, but it is working. What the Obama administration is is calculating and scheming. Maximizing the political gain from any and all issue.
Do you really think the announcement of this regulation was anything but?
Also trolling priests and bishops with contraception is not clever, it actually borders on desperation. The Democrats are desperate. Their record is just awful.
the sonic dildo: It is exactly what I said. I won't say it is super smart, but it is working. What the Obama administration is is calculating and scheming. Maximizing the political gain from any and all issue.
Do you really think the announcement of this regulation was anything but?
Also trolling priests and bishops with contraception is not clever, it actually borders on desperation. The Democrats are desperate. Their record is just awful.
it's becoming more and more comical watching you rationalize your own personal beliefs, struggling to blame the "other side" for what your side is really doing.
The only person coming off as pathetically desperate is you, every day with the same regurgitated lines
Do you really think the announcement of this regulation was anything but?
Also trolling priests and bishops with contraception is not clever, it actually borders on desperation. The Democrats are desperate. Their record is just awful.
it's becoming more and more comical watching you rationalize your own personal beliefs, struggling to blame the "other side" for what your side is really doing.
The only person coming off as pathetically desperate is you, every day with the same regurgitated lines
pajamas: So what I'm not going to is backtrack across this entire conversation.
Well, of course you won't. That is your style. You ignore key points, pretend they were addressed, and then act like I am the one who is wrong for asking for them.
I have seen this style many times from the left.
Well, of course you won't. That is your style. You ignore key points, pretend they were addressed, and then act like I am the one who is wrong for asking for them.
I have seen this style many times from the left.
baron muchhumpin: in America why do a certain, yet small, group think what other people do with their DRs, spouses, kids is any of their business?
This is the crux of my problem with religious faith: it creates a class of beliefs that are beyond reasonable discussion or accommodation.
This is the crux of my problem with religious faith: it creates a class of beliefs that are beyond reasonable discussion or accommodation.
baron muchhumpin: it's becoming more and more comical watching you rationalize your own personal beliefs, struggling to blame the "other side" for what your side is really doing.
The only person coming off as pathetically desperate is you, every day with the same regurgitated lines
The truth does not change baron.
The only person coming off as pathetically desperate is you, every day with the same regurgitated lines
The truth does not change baron.
the sonic dildo: They just don't want to pay for contraceptives as they have moral problems with it.
I don't want to pay for the military. But guess what, sometimes you end up paying for things you find morally suspect. It's called being part of society.
I don't want to pay for the military. But guess what, sometimes you end up paying for things you find morally suspect. It's called being part of society.
the sonic dildo: Well, of course you won't. That is your style. You ignore key points, pretend they were addressed, and then act like I am the one who is wrong for asking for them.
I have seen this style many times from the left.
The irony here is epic. You seem to think you've proven something by just expressing your opinion, even when your opinion is insane. And then ignore anything that doesn't coincide with that world view.
Many women want to have control over their reproductive choices. This includes being able to get a safe, inexpensive abortion somewhere accessible to them in the event of a mistake, rape, etc. It also includes getting access to contraception in a way that is safe, healthy, responsible and inexpensive. The republican religious right is making that harder nearly every day in this country, through trigger laws, added regulations, stripping of funding, demonization of caregivers and about 20 other tactics. These tactics are making it harder for women to gain access to other reproductive health services as well. This is one reason, out of a number, why so many women have come to the conclusion, as I have at the beginning of this argument, that the Republican party is very much not right for them.
During the General election we will see if this is trivial.
I have seen this style many times from the left.
The irony here is epic. You seem to think you've proven something by just expressing your opinion, even when your opinion is insane. And then ignore anything that doesn't coincide with that world view.
Many women want to have control over their reproductive choices. This includes being able to get a safe, inexpensive abortion somewhere accessible to them in the event of a mistake, rape, etc. It also includes getting access to contraception in a way that is safe, healthy, responsible and inexpensive. The republican religious right is making that harder nearly every day in this country, through trigger laws, added regulations, stripping of funding, demonization of caregivers and about 20 other tactics. These tactics are making it harder for women to gain access to other reproductive health services as well. This is one reason, out of a number, why so many women have come to the conclusion, as I have at the beginning of this argument, that the Republican party is very much not right for them.
During the General election we will see if this is trivial.
pajamas: During the General election we will see if this is trivial.
Many of the restrictions are economic, so higher-income Republican women aren't as affected.
Many of the restrictions are economic, so higher-income Republican women aren't as affected.
sabine: Many of the restrictions are economic, so higher-income Republican women aren't as affected.
That is true, but I have a feeling that the misogynist rhetoric that the "vanguards" of the right have chosen to shift the argument with will translate across classes.
That is true, but I have a feeling that the misogynist rhetoric that the "vanguards" of the right have chosen to shift the argument with will translate across classes.
pajamas: The irony here is epic.
There is no irony here at all. I do see significant obfuscation on your part however.
pajamas: You seem to think you've proven something by just expressing your opinion, even when your opinion is insane. And then ignore anything that doesn't coincide with that world view.
This is completely incorrect. I done more than express my opinion with you, I have back then up the whys and why nots several times. I have countered nearly everyone of your attempts to rephrase and steer the argument. I have countered your claim on several levels on the differences between contraception and valid medical conditions.
You just sit there and pretend you have not been taken to school.
Also don't try to play is as some type of "world view" thing as you know I am pro nearly everything when it comes to social liberties, and I make no attempt to ever interfere with a woman's right to her medical care.
I do have issues as to who pays for it though.
pajamas: TThis includes being able to get a safe, inexpensive abortion somewhere accessible to them in the event of a mistake, rape, etc. It also includes getting access to contraception in a way that is safe, healthy, responsible and inexpensive.
OK... you mentioned "inexpensive" twice. How do you get an inexpensive abortion?
There is no irony here at all. I do see significant obfuscation on your part however.
pajamas: You seem to think you've proven something by just expressing your opinion, even when your opinion is insane. And then ignore anything that doesn't coincide with that world view.
This is completely incorrect. I done more than express my opinion with you, I have back then up the whys and why nots several times. I have countered nearly everyone of your attempts to rephrase and steer the argument. I have countered your claim on several levels on the differences between contraception and valid medical conditions.
You just sit there and pretend you have not been taken to school.
Also don't try to play is as some type of "world view" thing as you know I am pro nearly everything when it comes to social liberties, and I make no attempt to ever interfere with a woman's right to her medical care.
I do have issues as to who pays for it though.
pajamas: TThis includes being able to get a safe, inexpensive abortion somewhere accessible to them in the event of a mistake, rape, etc. It also includes getting access to contraception in a way that is safe, healthy, responsible and inexpensive.
OK... you mentioned "inexpensive" twice. How do you get an inexpensive abortion?
pajamas: It's clear you don't see it. Good luck in the election.
it's difficult to see through blinders that thick and with rush and hannity screaming the 'truth' into his ears, it's got to be just about damn near impossible for him to understand what's happening around him...
it's difficult to see through blinders that thick and with rush and hannity screaming the 'truth' into his ears, it's got to be just about damn near impossible for him to understand what's happening around him...
pajamas: During the General election we will see if this is trivial.
If Romney is the candidate, he will avoid it. If it is brought up you are going to see it from the Dems.
They are one's behind this whole thing.
If Romney is the candidate, he will avoid it. If it is brought up you are going to see it from the Dems.
They are one's behind this whole thing.
code_7: it's difficult to see through blinders that thick and with rush and hannity screaming the 'truth' into his ears, it's got to be just about damn near impossible for him to understand what's happening around him...
No blinders here. Rush and Hannity are hacks.
Pajamas has no interest in countering me. She just keeps pushing the same stuff and making appeals to emotion.
Every time I single out a point she avoids it.
No blinders here. Rush and Hannity are hacks.
Pajamas has no interest in countering me. She just keeps pushing the same stuff and making appeals to emotion.
Every time I single out a point she avoids it.
the sonic dildo:
You just sit there and pretend you have not been taken to school.
This method of argumentation is probably the most annoying. You are up there with EJB. Yes, sure, take me to school, I guess.
There are places in this country where you can get a relatively inexpensive procedure. California, for example. Most places there you can.
I think that this has probably been posted for you a few times and you've ignored it.
You just sit there and pretend you have not been taken to school.
This method of argumentation is probably the most annoying. You are up there with EJB. Yes, sure, take me to school, I guess.
There are places in this country where you can get a relatively inexpensive procedure. California, for example. Most places there you can.
I think that this has probably been posted for you a few times and you've ignored it.
the sonic dildo:
You are not immune.
I believe the point is that you are stapling blinders to your face and expect us to ignore that as aggressively as you ignore any and all meatspace counter examples to your near Utopian 'status quo', i.e.
the sonic dildo: Oh stop. That will never... ever.. happen. That boogeyman has sailed.
it happened, you're ignoring that it happened.
You are not immune.
I believe the point is that you are stapling blinders to your face and expect us to ignore that as aggressively as you ignore any and all meatspace counter examples to your near Utopian 'status quo', i.e.
the sonic dildo: Oh stop. That will never... ever.. happen. That boogeyman has sailed.
it happened, you're ignoring that it happened.
the sonic dildo: No blinders here. Rush and Hannity are hacks.
Pajamas has no interest in countering me. She just keeps pushing the same stuff and making appeals to emotion.
Every time I single out a point she avoids it.
It's impossible talking to you. I respond to you and you then declare victory. It's nonsensical.
Pajamas has no interest in countering me. She just keeps pushing the same stuff and making appeals to emotion.
Every time I single out a point she avoids it.
It's impossible talking to you. I respond to you and you then declare victory. It's nonsensical.
sabine: Many of the restrictions are economic, so higher-income Republican women aren't as affected.
There are economic restrictions in life all the time.
There are economic restrictions in life all the time.
pajamas: It's impossible talking to you. I respond to you and you then declare victory. It's nonsensical.
Actually I have not declared victory at all. You have avoided all my points. You did it yesterday too.
So I have not declared victory, and anyone reading this can see that you are the one playing cat and mouse here.
Actually I have not declared victory at all. You have avoided all my points. You did it yesterday too.
So I have not declared victory, and anyone reading this can see that you are the one playing cat and mouse here.
the sonic dildo: There are economic restrictions in life all the time.
Yes. I find it a bit disconcerting when legislators go out of their way to create more of them.
Yes. I find it a bit disconcerting when legislators go out of their way to create more of them.
the sonic dildo: Actually I have not declared victory at all. You have avoided all my points. You did it yesterday too.
So I have not declared victory, and anyone reading this can see that you are the one playing cat and mouse here.
I responded to you yesterday and you never responded back. Based on the comments you are receiving it looks pretty clear that the people here think that you are the one arguing irresponsibly.
So I have not declared victory, and anyone reading this can see that you are the one playing cat and mouse here.
I responded to you yesterday and you never responded back. Based on the comments you are receiving it looks pretty clear that the people here think that you are the one arguing irresponsibly.
If you logged in, you could post here.