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    spongegirl circleskirt 382 2012-03-14 09:33:47.0 login to vote score 0
    the sonic dildo: truth serum

    LOL! You funnah!
    pajamas 7950 2012-03-14 09:34:02.0 login to vote score 3
    the sonic dildo: I've have already taken you apart on this pajamas. You are too dishonest to start again and waste my time with you however.

    Taken apart? I gave you ten instances where prophylactic care was covered. You insisted that three of them were special cases, totally unlike contraception for some vague reason that only you know.
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-03-14 09:34:07.0 login to vote score 0
    Implying? You outright said it.quote>


    She knows what I mean, so does PJ as well
    spongegirl circleskirt 382 2012-03-14 09:35:25.0 login to vote score 0
    the sonic dildo: Implying? You outright said it.quote>


    She knows what I mean, so does PJ as well


    Pffttt. You never give sources. You related to Flash?
    pajamas 7950 2012-03-14 09:35:35.0 login to vote score 3
    the sonic dildo: quin there have been numerous times I have encounterd and calle dyou out on our dishonesty. You making these bold assertions does not change what you and I both know.

    Your mistake is in thinking that if we don't just automatically accept your opinion as reality we are being dishonest. You can't just say things like "that is completely different" without reason and think that you have responded with any degree of finality. That is what 7 year olds do.
    pajamas 7950 2012-03-14 09:36:04.0 login to vote score 1
    the sonic dildo: Implying? You outright said it.quote>


    She knows what I mean, so does PJ as well


    I do. That you think everyone who doesn't accept your worldview somehow is dishonest. And that is nonsense.
    little hands of concrete 1804 2012-03-14 09:36:58.0 login to vote score 2
    pajamas: Your mistake is in thinking that if we don't just automatically accept your opinion as reality we are being dishonest. You can't just say things like "that is completely different" without reason and think that you have responded with any degree of finality. That is what 7 year olds do.

    Why are you insulting 7 year olds like that?


    quinblake 1476 2012-03-14 09:39:07.0 login to vote score 1
    whitebread: According to Hannity, the new spin is that evil Dems are painting the South as racist and uneducated.

    Something about the possibility of footwear being properly sized...


    It just seems so bizarre to me that this is an issue in this part of the world in this day and age. There's gotta be some sort of ulterior motive.
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-03-14 09:39:28.0 login to vote score 0
    pajamas: Taken apart? .


    Yes decisively.


    pajamas: I gave you ten instances where prophylactic care was covered. You insisted that three of them were special cases, totally unlike contraception for some vague reason that only you know.


    You are trying to make a case for the medical necessity of Birth control pills. Were there was medical need I said that is covered. Also the CAtholic Church make exception is these cases as well.

    BCPs for stricly contraception is where you keep tripping up.
    pajamas 7950 2012-03-14 09:40:47.0 login to vote score 3
    Birth control is prophylactic care designed to prevent the expensive and sometimes unwanted condition known as pregnancy. Other preventative care offered up in various health and insurance plans:


    • Blood pressure, diabetes, and cholesterol tests
    • Cancer screenings
    • Counseling on smoking cessation, weight loss, healthy eating, depression treatments, and reduction of alcohol use
    • Vaccines for measles, polio, meningitis, and HPV (human papilloma virus)
    • Shots for flu and pneumonia prevention
    • Screening, vaccines, and counseling for healthy pregnancies
    • Well-baby and well-child visits up to the age of 21, as well as vision and hearing, developmental assessments, and body mass index (BMI) screenings for obesity
    • Mammograms for women over age 40
    • Pap smears for cervical cancer prevention
    • Colon cancer screening tests for adults over age 50
    pajamas 7950 2012-03-14 09:41:55.0 login to vote score 1
    the sonic dildo: Yes decisively.

    In your mind. Your mistake is in thinking the world accepts your nonsense as fact.


    the sonic dildo:
    You are trying to make a case for the medical necessity of Birth control pills. Were there was medical need I said that is covered. Also the CAtholic Church make exception is these cases as well.

    BCPs for stricly contraception is where you keep tripping up.


    Nope.
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-03-14 09:41:56.0 login to vote score 0
    pajamas: Your mistake is in thinking that if we don't just automatically accept your opinion as reality we are being dishonest. .


    No it is when you flat out ignore everything said and don't counter it... that is why.

    If you don't agree at least come up with a reason why. I came up with a reason for why I disagreed with you... you, in the interst of being honest need to counter my points

    That is the issue
    pajamas 7950 2012-03-14 09:43:07.0 login to vote score 0
    quinblake: It just seems so bizarre to me that this is an issue in this part of the world in this day and age. There's gotta be some sort of ulterior motive.

    I keep thinking that s well. This is part of the culture war that the right insists on fighting. Where does it end and how does it work? Is it just a race to the right?
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-03-14 09:43:35.0 login to vote score 0
    In your mind. Your mistake is in thinking the world accepts your nonsense as fact. quote>


    No, the fact that you can't counter my arguments is why I have decisively taken you apart. You want to play, then play.

    You disagree with my points, fine. Show why then.
    quinblake 1476 2012-03-14 09:44:17.0 login to vote score 2
    pajamas: Birth control is prophylactic care designed to prevent the expensive and sometimes unwanted condition known as pregnancy. Other preventative care offered up in various health and insurance plans:


    • Blood pressure, diabetes, and cholesterol tests
    • Cancer screenings
    • Counseling on smoking cessation, weight loss, healthy eating, depression treatments, and reduction of alcohol use
    • Vaccines for measles, polio, meningitis, and HPV (human papilloma virus)
    • Shots for flu and pneumonia prevention
    • Screening, vaccines, and counseling for healthy pregnancies
    • Well-baby and well-child visits up to the age of 21, as well as vision and hearing, developmental assessments, and body mass index (BMI) screenings for obesity
    • Mammograms for women over age 40
    • Pap smears for cervical cancer prevention
    • Colon cancer screening tests for adults over age 50


    I don't see the burning need to convince phil of any of this. He's not the one making the bill or has any affect on these laws. He's arguing on a message board by calling people dishonest, he's basically the epitome of pathetic.
    pajamas 7950 2012-03-14 09:44:33.0 login to vote score 1
    the sonic dildo: No it is when you flat out ignore everything said and don't counter it... that is why.

    If you don't agree at least come up with a reason why. I came up with a reason for why I disagreed with you... you, in the interst of being honest need to counter my points

    That is the issue


    Your reason is that all of these things I present are just DIFFERENT than birth control in ways you can't articulate. I disagree with you. And I think you are falling victim to this same sort of "culture war" thinking that is driving the rest of the right wing in this country. Misplaced judgmentalism over people who live their lives differently than you.
    pajamas 7950 2012-03-14 09:45:39.0 login to vote score 2
    the sonic dildo: In your mind. Your mistake is in thinking the world accepts your nonsense as fact. quote>


    No, the fact that you can't counter my arguments is why I have decisively taken you apart. You want to play, then play.

    You disagree with my points, fine. Show why then.


    Her is why, then.

    Birth control is prophylactic care designed to prevent the expensive and sometimes unwanted condition known as pregnancy. Other preventative care offered up in various health and insurance plans:


    • Blood pressure, diabetes, and cholesterol tests
    • Cancer screenings
    • Counseling on smoking cessation, weight loss, healthy eating, depression treatments, and reduction of alcohol use
    • Vaccines for measles, polio, meningitis, and HPV (human papilloma virus)
    • Shots for flu and pneumonia prevention
    • Screening, vaccines, and counseling for healthy pregnancies
    • Well-baby and well-child visits up to the age of 21, as well as vision and hearing, developmental assessments, and body mass index (BMI) screenings for obesity
    • Mammograms for women over age 40
    • Pap smears for cervical cancer prevention
    • Colon cancer screening tests for adults over age 50

    I know this is the first time I've ever posted this so I can't expect you to read it completely.
    pajamas 7950 2012-03-14 09:47:43.0 login to vote score 7
    Also. Are you fucking insane? Does anybody with a working frontal lobe think that our society gets BETTER somehow when we put giant roadblocks in between people making more effective family planning decisions? The ability to plan families has arguably been the biggest boon to human culture than nearly any other invention on this planet over the last 200 years. Just because half your party wants to revisit the dark ages you are not required to go with them.
    pajamas 7950 2012-03-14 09:48:29.0 login to vote score 0
    that sentence didn't come out quite as fluidly as I had hoped. It sort of broke down at the end.
    spongegirl circleskirt 382 2012-03-14 09:48:32.0 login to vote score 0
    the sonic dildo: Yes decisively.





    You are trying to make a case for the medical necessity of Birth control pills. Were there was medical need I said that is covered. Also the CAtholic Church make exception is these cases as well.

    BCPs for stricly contraception is where you keep tripping up.


    You are wrong. I take them to regulate my periods. The Bonus is not worrying about getting pregnant.
    little hands of concrete 1804 2012-03-14 09:50:42.0 login to vote score 1
    pajamas: that sentence didn't come out quite as fluidly as I had hoped. It sort of broke down at the end.

    ... sort of like your mom did last night.


    osirisothedead 1858 2012-03-14 09:52:01.0 login to vote score 2
    pajamas: that sentence didn't come out quite as fluidly as I had hoped. It sort of broke down at the end.

    I thought it was a bit long-winded. All you really needed was the first 5 words, anyway.
    quinblake 1476 2012-03-14 09:53:59.0 login to vote score 4
    pajamas: Also. Are you fucking insane? Does anybody with a working frontal lobe think that our society gets BETTER somehow when we put giant roadblocks in between people making more effective family planning decisions? The ability to plan families has arguably been the biggest boon to human culture than nearly any other invention on this planet over the last 200 years. Just because half your party wants to revisit the dark ages you are not required to go with them.

    It's all about their liberty, freedom and the fight against socialism and wealth redistribution. They had to work hard for their stuff and we're just eager losers wanting hard working tax-payers to fund our whoring and slutting around.
    pajamas 7950 2012-03-14 09:54:31.0 login to vote score 0
    spongegirl circleskirt: You are wrong. I take them to regulate my periods. The Bonus is not worrying about getting pregnant.

    I have to take the mini-pill. I tend toward anemia and I get anemic quickly on the pill. The downside is that the mini-pill I use is way more expensive and I have to take it at exactly the same time every ay, unlike the regular pill, which has some leeway. And I have to take them at all times, even during that time.
    vushtrriboy 3085 2012-03-14 09:55:44.0 login to vote score 2
    I enjoy watching phildo getting slapped around the room as much as anyone, but ya'll do realize the words you write are actually irrelevant to him, right?
    pajamas 7950 2012-03-14 09:55:46.0 login to vote score 0
    quinblake: It's all about their liberty, freedom and the fight against socialism and wealth redistribution. They had to work hard for their stuff and we're just eager losers wanting hard working tax-payers to fund our whoring and slutting around.

    And poor people with more kids will make everyone's life better? It's crazy. Cut off your nose to spite your face.

    Which is an idiom I just learned.
    quinblake 1476 2012-03-14 09:57:10.0 login to vote score 1
    pajamas: And poor people with more kids will make everyone's life better? It's crazy. Cut off your nose to spite your face.

    Which is an idiom I just learned.


    "Spending tax-payers money to save money in the future is a liberal lie."
    "They had the kids, they should suffer".
    fatsean 3838 2012-03-14 09:58:07.0 login to vote score 0
    pajamas: And poor people with more kids will make everyone's life better? It's crazy. Cut off your nose to spite your face.

    Which is an idiom I just learned.


    Grist for the war machine. Iran isn't going to occupy itself!
    quinblake 1476 2012-03-14 09:58:57.0 login to vote score 0
    pajamas: And poor people with more kids will make everyone's life better? It's crazy. Cut off your nose to spite your face.

    Which is an idiom I just learned.


    "altruism is evil"
    "people must work for their own rational self-interest"
    "tax is enslavement"
    whitebread 3463 2012-03-14 09:59:01.0 login to vote score 4
    It just seems so bizarre to me that this is an issue in this part of the world in this day and age. There's gotta be some sort of ulterior motive.</quoter

    Yes, getting Obama out of the White House, but it can also be seen as the last great dying yawp of old, racist, white men. They are finally losing the stranglehold they've had on power since jump and they are PETRIFIED that they are going to get treated the way they've treated everyone else for so long.
    whitebread 3463 2012-03-14 10:00:34.0 login to vote score 1
    BTW, there's a great article in NYT called "Capitalism 2012" about the grand bargains needing to be made in the near future. Far more nuanced conversation than the one yyou get here.
    quinblake 1476 2012-03-14 10:00:48.0 login to vote score 0
    whitebread: It just seems so bizarre to me that this is an issue in this part of the world in this day and age. There's gotta be some sort of ulterior motive.</quoter

    Yes, getting Obama out of the White House, but it can also be seen as the last great dying yawp of old, racist, white men. They are finally losing the stranglehold they've had on power since jump and they are PETRIFIED that they are going to get treated the way they've treated everyone else for so long.


    I'd agree a lot of this is based on fear. The rules are changing and sometimes ageing people fear change.
    sloth 222 2012-03-14 10:02:56.0 login to vote score 0
    jimmythehutt: How exactly would that work? Individual rates are prohibitively expensive for a great many people.

    There are several ways to address that. First, we could move all the tax incentives that currently accrue to employers on buying health insurance and shift them to individuals. Secondly, we could allow formation of voluntary "groups" for people to join and jointly negotiate insurance rates with like-minded people of their choosing, not their employer's choosing. Alternatively, we could tell the insurance companies to take a hike and move to a direct subsidy system like France. Finally, there's the little issue that most of the reason individual accounts are so expensive right now is that there's not enough of a market in them to spur competition - most of the market is in group coverage.
    code_7 6865 2012-03-14 10:07:30.0 login to vote score 0
    so vote republican: Single-payer by the individual state is always something I've said would work, and have the advantage of being, you know, Constitutional.


    Works pretty well with the VA, if all the people who are currently uninsured had access to the VA or a VA-like system, they'd be a hell of a lot better off than they are now...

    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-03-14 10:09:02.0 login to vote score 0
    pajamas: Your reason is that all of these things I present are just DIFFERENT than birth control in ways you can't articulate. I disagree with you. And I think you are falling victim to this same sort of "culture war" thinking that is driving the rest of the right wing in this country. Misplaced judgmentalism over people who live their lives differently than you.


    You have tried many times to put me into the Judgemental Jesus /Right Wing camp, and each time I have told you that am pro-choice, pro contraception and an atheist... yet you keep going there. Is that because "I" have to fit into your world view? I think so.

    The idea that everyone who is not on board with free BCPs has to be a Christian fundi.

    I have articulated the counter to every one of your attempts to justify the medical necessity of contraception. I have also pointed that even the Catholic Church and Georgetown both make exceptions to BCPS in the caser of medcial issues.

    So, again ... the ball is your court for you to begin obfuscating.

    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-03-14 10:11:10.0 login to vote score 0
    spongegirl circleskirt: You are wrong. I take them to regulate my periods. The Bonus is not worrying about getting pregnant.

    Well spongie I was not talking to yuou now was I?

    I have already said that BCPs used for medical reasons are exceptions and they are covered, even at Georgetown U.


    whitebread 3463 2012-03-14 10:12:47.0 login to vote score 0
    quinblake: I'd agree a lot of this is based on fear. The rules are changing and sometimes ageing people fear change.

    They got used to thinking that they could use "X was a long time ago, STFU unless you're saying what we want to hear" forever. They were wrong.
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-03-14 10:12:57.0 login to vote score 0
    pajamas: Also. Are you fucking insane? Does anybody with a working frontal lobe think that our society gets BETTER somehow when we put giant roadblocks in between people making more effective family planning decisions? The ability to plan families has arguably been the biggest boon to human culture than nearly any other invention on this planet over the last 200 years. Just because half your party wants to revisit the dark ages you are not required to go with them.



    Birth Control is legal pajamas. There are no "roadblocks" to obtaining it.

    Or, are you refering to finacial roadblocks?
    There is no free lunch.
    sloth 222 2012-03-14 10:13:25.0 login to vote score 0
    nately's whore: What very good reason?

    To bypass the wage freezes which were also instituted for a very good reason.
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-03-14 10:15:12.0 login to vote score 0
    pajamas: Birth control is prophylactic care designed to prevent the expensive and sometimes unwanted condition known as pregnancy. .


    Such pure rationalized crap right there.

    If you want prophylactic care, use a pophylactic.
    quinblake 1476 2012-03-14 10:18:55.0 login to vote score 0
    whitebread: They got used to thinking that they could use "X was a long time ago, STFU unless you're saying what we want to hear" forever. They were wrong.

    Kinda like insisting the music and pop culture from their generation was THE BEST.
    pajamas 7950 2012-03-14 10:19:22.0 login to vote score 0
    the sonic dildo: You have tried many times to put me into the Judgemental Jesus /Right Wing camp, and each time I have told you that am pro-choice, pro contraception and an atheist... yet you keep going there. Is that because "I" have to fit into your world view? I think so.

    The idea that everyone who is not on board with free BCPs has to be a Christian fundi.

    I have articulated the counter to every one of your attempts to justify the medical necessity of contraception. I have also pointed that even the Catholic Church and Georgetown both make exceptions to BCPS in the caser of medcial issues.

    So, again ... the ball is your court for you to begin obfuscating.


    Birth control is prophylactic care designed to prevent the expensive and sometimes unwanted condition known as pregnancy. Other preventative care offered up in various health and insurance plans:


    • Blood pressure, diabetes, and cholesterol tests
    • Cancer screenings
    • Counseling on smoking cessation, weight loss, healthy eating, depression treatments, and reduction of alcohol use
    • Vaccines for measles, polio, meningitis, and HPV (human papilloma virus)
    • Shots for flu and pneumonia prevention
    • Screening, vaccines, and counseling for healthy pregnancies
    • Well-baby and well-child visits up to the age of 21, as well as vision and hearing, developmental assessments, and body mass index (BMI) screenings for obesity
    • Mammograms for women over age 40
    • Pap smears for cervical cancer prevention
    • Colon cancer screening tests for adults over age 50
    sloth 222 2012-03-14 10:19:31.0 login to vote score 0
    Dammit, why did baNdit suddenly stop working?
    pajamas 7950 2012-03-14 10:19:44.0 login to vote score 0
    the sonic dildo: Such pure rationalized crap right there.

    If you want prophylactic care, use a pophylactic.


    why?
    jimmythehutt 2751 2012-03-14 10:20:43.0 login to vote score 0
    sloth: Dammit, why did baNdit suddenly stop working?

    Did you delete cookies?
    osirisothedead 1858 2012-03-14 10:21:16.0 login to vote score 0
    sloth: Dammit, why did baNdit suddenly stop working?

    Have you tried turning it off and turning it on again?
    little hands of concrete 1804 2012-03-14 10:22:06.0 login to vote score 0
    sloth: Dammit, why did baNdit suddenly stop working?

    grahams, the owner of the site, decided he was morally against baNdit and decided to quit supporting it. If you don't like it, go to a site that allows it or get over it.


    quinblake 1476 2012-03-14 10:22:14.0 login to vote score 3
    sloth: Dammit, why did baNdit suddenly stop working?

    Probably fired for taking birth control pills.
    sloth 222 2012-03-14 10:23:08.0 login to vote score 0
    the sonic dildo: Such pure rationalized crap right there.

    If you want prophylactic care, use a pophylactic.


    I don't know what's sadder - the inability to spell prophylactic the same way twice in the same sentence, or the mistaken idea that birth control pills are not prophylactics.
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-03-14 10:23:58.0 login to vote score 0
    pajamas: Birth control is prophylactic care designed to prevent the expensive and sometimes unwanted condition known as pregnancy. Other preventative care offered up in various health and insurance plans:• Blood pressure, diabetes, and cholesterol tests• Cancer screenings• Counseling on smoking cessation, weight loss, healthy eating, depression treatments, and reduction of alcohol use• Vaccines for measles, polio, meningitis, and HPV (human papilloma virus)• Shots for flu and pneumonia prevention• Screening, vaccines, and counseling for healthy pregnancies• Well-baby and well-child visits up to the age of 21, as well as vision and hearing, developmental assessments, and body mass index (BMI) screenings for obesity• Mammograms for women over age 40• Pap smears for cervical cancer prevention• Colon cancer screening tests for adults over age 50


    The dishonesty is you trying to sell Birth Control as health care... it is not.

    You can list thousands of actual screaning and legitimate prevetnive care measures throughout health care and none of that will change that birth control is not health care.
    sloth 222 2012-03-14 10:29:41.0 login to vote score 0
    osirisothedead: Have you tried turning it off and turning it on again?

    I already had my manservant stop cranking the shaft, and then start cranking again.
    sloth 222 2012-03-14 10:30:24.0 login to vote score 0
    ...and suddenly it's back. Weird.
    abt12monk 10796 2012-03-14 10:30:59.0 login to vote score 0
    the sonic dildo: The dishonesty is you trying to sell Birth Control as health care... it is not.

    You can list thousands of actual screaning and legitimate prevetnive care measures throughout health care and none of that will change that birth control is not health care.


    Birth control pills can be used not only for contraceptive purposes, but also to prevent acne, unusually bad PMS (both caused by polycystic ovaries). It can also be used to prevent the anemia resulting from high blood loss during periods. BC can also prevent uterine cancer.

    Birth control isn't just the "fuck candy" you're characterizing it as.

    (In other news, phildo has decided he's qualified as a gynecologist, too!)
    jimmythehutt 2751 2012-03-14 10:31:16.0 login to vote score 0
    sloth: There are several ways to address that. First, we could move all the tax incentives that currently accrue to employers on buying health insurance and shift them to individuals. Secondly, we could allow formation of voluntary "groups" for people to join and jointly negotiate insurance rates with like-minded people of their choosing, not their employer's choosing. Alternatively, we could tell the insurance companies to take a hike and move to a direct subsidy system like France. Finally, there's the little issue that most of the reason individual accounts are so expensive right now is that there's not enough of a market in them to spur competition - most of the market is in group coverage.

    Alternatively, we could go the Denmark route and change the way Health Insurance companies are regulated, shifting them to Utility model. I'm not sure how well that would work based on the population size, though. The French solution raises the same concerns.

    However, the initial transition away from the employer model would likely end up having some very harsh consequences. They certainly wouldn't roll it out all at once. In addition, the regulation of these voluntary groups is going to require new government agencies in addition to existing ones or expansions of existing ones, as the employer-model would still likely exist for some time.
    pajamas 7950 2012-03-14 10:32:56.0 login to vote score 0
    the sonic dildo: The dishonesty is you trying to sell Birth Control as health care... it is not.

    You can list thousands of actual screaning and legitimate prevetnive care measures throughout health care and none of that will change that birth control is not health care.


    Why not? It is preventative care for the condition known as pregnancy. A condition that can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars and is often unwanted. Can you explain why it is not health care when millions of women consider it so?
    whitebread 3463 2012-03-14 10:34:06.0 login to vote score 0
    quinblake: Kinda like insisting the music and pop culture from their generation was THE BEST.

    Indeed. Also like continuing to insist one's personal opinion, that a complex system arose due to only one kind of business pressure, is the only explanation.

    It's sort of silly, but they got away with it for a long time.
    pajamas 7950 2012-03-14 10:34:09.0 login to vote score 1
    sloth: I don't know what's sadder - the inability to spell prophylactic the same way twice in the same sentence, or the mistaken idea that birth control pills are not prophylactics.

    This is frustrating. My health care plan covers so much preventative care. And that's great. It's cheaper than the alternative, really. Why is this a problem?
    sloth 222 2012-03-14 10:36:31.0 login to vote score 0
    abt12monk: Birth control pills can be used not only for contraceptive purposes, but also to prevent acne, unusually bad PMS (both caused by polycystic ovaries). It can also be used to prevent the anemia resulting from high blood loss during periods. BC can also prevent uterine cancer.

    That's really irrelevant to his point. I mean, he's an idiot - birth control is health care by any reasonable measure. It's not what one would typically call medically necessary care, or diagnostic care, but it is health care. And, no the fact that there are diagnostic uses for the drugs doesn't change the fact that when used as contraceptive it's not a diagnostic treatment.
    pajamas 7950 2012-03-14 10:37:17.0 login to vote score 5
    This sucks. The argument that birth control is not healthcare is basically "birth control is not healthcare"?

    And he calls me obfuscating and dishonest.
    pajamas 7950 2012-03-14 10:37:59.0 login to vote score 0
    sloth: That's really irrelevant to his point. I mean, he's an idiot - birth control is health care by any reasonable measure. It's not what one would typically call medically necessary care, or diagnostic care, but it is health care. And, no the fact that there are diagnostic uses for the drugs doesn't change the fact that when used as contraceptive it's not a diagnostic treatment.

    Exactly. I know that BCPs help women in numerous cases, but I was focusing on Birth control as preventing pregnancy as health care. Which it is.
    whitebread 3463 2012-03-14 10:38:57.0 login to vote score 0
    jimmythehutt: Alternatively, we could go the Denmark route and change the way Health Insurance companies are regulated, shifting them to Utility model. I'm not sure how well that would work based on the population size, though. The French solution raises the same concerns.

    However, the initial transition away from the employer model would likely end up having some very harsh consequences. They certainly wouldn't roll it out all at once. In addition, the regulation of these voluntary groups is going to require new government agencies in addition to existing ones or expansions of existing ones, as the employer-model would still likely exist for some time.


    Actually there are ways to have employer-associated health care that don't necessarily allow employers to dictate care. Both the Bismarck and Beveridge models manage it, and they differ by country using them.

    No other country is "like" us, necessarily, overall. Many parts of the country or stratifications of the population are quite comparable to other countries. Problem being, once the nuanced argument is made, the answer tends to be "Nuh-uh!" Which makes the conversation feel pretty pointless.
    whitebread 3463 2012-03-14 10:40:20.0 login to vote score 0
    Considering that childbirth is one of the riskiest things most women will ever do, BCP is indeed medically necessary, imho.
    whitebread 3463 2012-03-14 10:42:21.0 login to vote score 0
    BTW Fox news is reporting that Mitt Romney has claimed today that he would stop funding Planned Parenthood if he is elected President.
    paranoyd 6555 2012-03-14 10:42:29.0 login to vote score 0
    pajamas: Why not? It is preventative care for the condition known as pregnancy. A condition that can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars and is often unwanted. Can you explain why it is not health care when millions of women consider it so?

    Because he's a male.
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-03-14 10:44:49.0 login to vote score 0
    abt12monk: Birth control pills can be used not only for contraceptive purposes, but also to prevent acne, unusually bad PMS (both caused by polycystic ovaries). It can also be used to prevent the anemia resulting from high blood loss during periods. BC can also prevent uterine cancer.Birth control isn't just the "fuck candy" you're characterizing it as.(In other news, phildo has decided he's qualified as a gynecologist, too!)



    Dude... how many times do we have to say that using BCPS for legitimate medical reason is the exception?

    And... that the Catholic Church and Georgetown agree with that and make the exception.
    vushtrriboy 3085 2012-03-14 10:45:29.0 login to vote score 0
    pajamas: This sucks. The argument that birth control is not healthcare is basically "birth control is not healthcare"?

    And he calls me obfuscating and dishonest.


    I'd refer you to my earlier post. He cannot account for any data, factoid or point, rendering this irrelevant to his purpose of parroting. He is evangelizing, not debating.
    paranoyd 6555 2012-03-14 10:46:01.0 login to vote score 2
    pajamas: This sucks. The argument that birth control is not healthcare is basically "birth control is not healthcare"?

    And he calls me obfuscating and dishonest.


    Yeah, he makes an opinionated statement and then says, "If you disagree, you are wrong, and I already countered it." and then claims some sort of victory and that it's everyone else who is wrong. Dogma at it's finest.
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-03-14 10:46:30.0 login to vote score 0
    pajamas: I was focusing on Birth control as preventing pregnancy as health care. Which it is.

    No.. it is isn't. You tried to make the convoluted argument that preventing pregnancy is "health care"

    If you really need to prevent pregnancy, don't have sex. That is 100% effective.
    paranoyd 6555 2012-03-14 10:47:05.0 login to vote score 2
    the sonic dildo: No.. it is isn't. You tried to make the convoluted argument that preventing pregnancy is "health care"

    If you really need to prevent pregnancy, don't have sex. That is 100% effective.


    So authoritarian.
    osirisothedead 1858 2012-03-14 10:47:53.0 login to vote score 2
    the sonic dildo: No.. it is isn't. You tried to make the convoluted argument that preventing pregnancy is "health care"

    If you really need to prevent pregnancy, don't have sex. That is 100% effective.


    So is anal, oral, sex with somebody of the same gender, sex with a woman past menopause, sex with infertile people, etc.

    So find a homo granny who gives good head.
    quinblake 1476 2012-03-14 10:48:33.0 login to vote score 2
    paranoyd: So authoritarian.

    Also pathetic. Not sure why we care, maybe because he represents an entire group of people who feel similarly?
    sloth 222 2012-03-14 10:48:33.0 login to vote score 2
    vushtrriboy: I'd refer you to my earlier post. He cannot account for any data, factoid or point, rendering this irrelevant to his purpose of parroting. He is evangelizing, not debating.

    OMG, I just realized Phildo is a Birch's Witness - he doesn't care if you're converted, he just has to preach the Birchers' Gospel to everyone in the world to fulfill the necessary conditions for the End Times!
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-03-14 10:48:39.0 login to vote score 0
    vushtrriboy: I'd refer you to my earlier post. He cannot account for any data, factoid or point, rendering this irrelevant to his purpose of parroting. He is evangelizing, not debating.


    What data do you want? You don't need "data" tp prove that sex for fun... aka recreational sex is something that people need to be subsidized for if they don't want to get pregnant.
    sabine 745 2012-03-14 10:49:09.0 login to vote score 3
    the sonic dildo: How does that come into play in regards to what the employer has to pay for in health insurance?

    The Pregnancy Discrimination Act modified Title VII in 1978 to include "pregnancy and related medical conditions". It was the basis for this EEOC decision and Erickson v. Bartell Drugs.
    sabine 745 2012-03-14 10:50:28.0 login to vote score 2
    the sonic dildo: You don't need "data" tp prove that sex for fun... aka recreational sex is something that people need to be subsidized for if they don't want to get pregnant.

    Not all people get pregnant. Women get pregnant. That's where the gender discrimination angle comes in.
    vushtrriboy 3085 2012-03-14 10:51:01.0 login to vote score 1
    sloth: OMG, I just realized Phildo is a Birch's Witness - he doesn't care if you're converted, he just has to preach the Birchers' Gospel to everyone in the world to fulfill the necessary conditions for the End Times!

    That's about the best analogy I think I've heard.
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-03-14 10:51:13.0 login to vote score 0
    paranoyd: So authoritarian.

    Whut?

    Do you even know what authoritarian means?
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-03-14 10:53:12.0 login to vote score 0
    sabine: Not all people get pregnant. Women get pregnant. That's where the gender discrimination angle comes in.

    There is no geneder dicrimination here at all.

    No one is saying that they can't use birth control. The argument is that people who do not beleive in birth control can not be forced to pay for it. No one is retricitng it to anyone.

    pajamas 7950 2012-03-14 11:01:21.0 login to vote score 1
    the sonic dildo: No.. it is isn't. You tried to make the convoluted argument that preventing pregnancy is "health care"

    If you really need to prevent pregnancy, don't have sex. That is 100% effective.


    I am going to say something that, if you are paying attention, should blow your mind. In fact, this is something the entire Socially conservative right needs to understand. Ready? here goes:

    Not having sex is 100% effective against pregnancy. Telling people to not have sex is virtually completely ineffective against pregnancy.

    Why? Because despite your rabid authoritarian ideal, not everyone will choose to live like you do. And a culture that has freedom as its core ideal will not WANT to make them live like you.
    pajamas 7950 2012-03-14 11:01:51.0 login to vote score 1
    the sonic dildo: Whut?

    Do you even know what authoritarian means?


    Yes. He seems to.
    sloth 222 2012-03-14 11:03:43.0 login to vote score 0
    pajamas: Not having sex is 100% effective against pregnancy.

    Actually, it's not, but close enough. (it's possible to get sperm into the vagina without ever actually having intercourse)
    pajamas 7950 2012-03-14 11:06:07.0 login to vote score 1
    sloth: Actually, it's not, but close enough. (it's possible to get sperm into the vagina without ever actually having intercourse)

    ok, I was rounding up. I see that there are a few outlier cases, including one where a woman was stabbed with a knife that carried surviving sperm
    sloth 222 2012-03-14 11:08:45.0 login to vote score 0
    pajamas: ok, I was rounding up. I see that there are a few outlier cases, including one where a woman was stabbed with a knife that carried surviving sperm

    That's freaking awesome.
    pajamas 7950 2012-03-14 11:10:59.0 login to vote score 1
    sloth: That's freaking awesome.

    I think I remember a case in Europe about 10 years ago where a man and woman were shot and the bullet went through one of his testicles and into stomach and made her pregnant. I can't find it, though. Sperm just work harder than the rest of us.
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-03-14 11:11:35.0 login to vote score 0
    pajamas: I am going to say something that, if you are paying attention, should blow your mind. In fact, this is something the entire Socially conservative right needs to understand. Ready? here goes:Not having sex is 100% effective against pregnancy. Telling people to not have sex is virtually completely ineffective against pregnancy. Why? Because despite your rabid authoritarian ideal, not everyone will choose to live like you do. And a culture that has freedom as its core ideal will not WANT to make them live like you.


    But I am not telling you or anyone not to have sex. If you want to have sex, you can do whatever you want, but you should be prepared to pay for the cost of your contraception if your health plan does not cover it.

    I don't care what you do.

    Here is a question for you... why don't you support the right of people not to be forced to pay for something they believe is wrong? Why is their freedom not important to you?
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-03-14 11:12:40.0 login to vote score 0
    pajamas: Yes. He seems to.


    Not it this case.
    ricardo shadowban 8391 2012-03-14 11:13:46.0 login to vote score 2
    the sonic dildo: Here is a question for you... why don't you support the right of people not to be forced to pay for something they believe is wrong? Why is their freedom not important to you?

    They're not forced to pay for something they believe is wrong. They pay the insurer, and the insurer pays for the thing.

    It's just like your employer is not being forced to pay for all that scat porn. They're paying you, and you are paying for it. Once the money leaves their hands, they lose the right to decide how it should be spent.

    Would you really want it to be some other way? "Oh, sorry Mr Smith, I can't sell you alcohol... Your employer doesn't approve of alcohol."
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-03-14 11:14:45.0 login to vote score 0
    sloth: Actually, it's not, but close enough. (it's possible to get sperm into the vagina without ever actually having intercourse)


    the turkey baster
    ricardo shadowban 8391 2012-03-14 11:15:02.0 login to vote score 3
    pajamas: I think I remember a case in Europe about 10 years ago where a man and woman were shot and the bullet went through one of his testicles and into stomach and made her pregnant.

    That's how lifetime NRA members reproduce.
    pajamas 7950 2012-03-14 11:16:34.0 login to vote score 1
    the sonic dildo: But I am not telling you or anyone not to have sex. If you want to have sex, you can do whatever you want, but you should be prepared to pay for the cost of your contraception if your health plan does not cover it.

    I don't care what you do.

    Here is a question for you... why don't you support the right of people not to be forced to pay for something they believe is wrong? Why is their freedom not important to you?


    There is no reason why an insurance plan that covers preventative care of all kinds would not cover BCPs. And no reason to support employers being able to remove coverage for anything they like based on what THEY believe, not what the PATIENT believes. Why should employers be able to make health decisions for people?

    And, hey, what do you think will happen if birth control gets more expensive? I think that you and Santorum and the rest of them will imagine that somehow people will just stop having recreational sex. Let me ask you a question. Would anything stop you from having sex?
    pajamas 7950 2012-03-14 11:17:30.0 login to vote score 2
    the sonic dildo: Not it this case.

    Sure he does. You would like the world to live the way you think they should. And they would like to have the freedom to live the way they want.
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-03-14 11:17:49.0 login to vote score 0
    ricardo shadowban: They're not forced to pay for something they believe is wrong. They pay the insurer, and the insurer pays for the thing.

    OK... you have logic failure there.

    They purchase a specific policy that does not cover contraception for a specific reason. Running it through a third party proxy does not make them immune from the sin they believe they are commiting.


    pajamas 7950 2012-03-14 11:19:50.0 login to vote score 3
    the sonic dildo: OK... you have logic failure there.

    They purchase a specific policy that does not cover contraception for a specific reason. Running it through a third party proxy does not make them immune from the sin they believe they are commiting.


    They offer the health insurance as part of compensation for the employee's work. That should not give them special rights to manage that plan and decide what the health needs of the employee are.
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-03-14 11:20:18.0 login to vote score 0
    pajamas: Sure he does. You would like the world to live the way you think they should. And they would like to have the freedom to live the way they want.


    You know what one of your main poblems is and why you are dishonest? Becuse I have already said many times to you, that I personally don't give a crap what people do in their private lives.

    Yet you continue to make claims like this. You are either dishonest or something else.
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-03-14 11:21:33.0 login to vote score 0
    pajamas: They offer the health insurance as part of compensation for the employee's work. That should not give them special rights to manage that plan and decide what the health needs of the employee are.


    They have the right to not pay for contraception. They really do. Religious excemption.

    Only Obama and the left say they don't.
    sloth 222 2012-03-14 11:22:41.0 login to vote score 1
    pajamas: There is no reason why an insurance plan that covers preventative care of all kinds would not cover BCPs. And no reason to support employers being able to remove coverage for anything they like based on what THEY believe, not what the PATIENT believes. Why should employers be able to make health decisions for people?

    Because they're the ones negotiating and contracting for the policies - this is the crucial link that has to be severed.
    pajamas 7950 2012-03-14 11:22:45.0 login to vote score 1
    the sonic dildo: You know what one of your main poblems is and why you are dishonest? Becuse I have already said many times to you, that I personally don't give a crap what people do in their private lives.

    Yet you continue to make claims like this. You are either dishonest or something else.


    What you say and what you seem to advocate are two different things.

    And if you don't like me telling you that, you can just not post. It is 100% effective.
    vliam 1096 2012-03-14 11:23:16.0 login to vote score 0
    the sonic dildo: There is no geneder dicrimination here at all.

    No one is saying that they can't use birth control. The argument is that people who do not beleive in birth control can not be forced to pay for it. No one is retricitng it to anyone.


    I don't believe in having children. I'm constantly forced to pay for those that other spit out.
    quinblake 1476 2012-03-14 11:23:56.0 login to vote score 5
    ENSLAVED BY MY BROTHER'S WHORE! WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION! LAZY FUCKERS NOT PAYING FOR THEIR OWN SEX!
    pajamas 7950 2012-03-14 11:24:38.0 login to vote score 3
    the sonic dildo: They have the right to not pay for contraception. They really do. Religious excemption.

    Only Obama and the left say they don't.


    Nope. They really don't. Just as Christian scientist organizations do not have the right to exclude all medical care from their plans, Jehova's Witnesses do not have the right to exclude transfusions and the like from their plans, etc. I can't start a business and decide to remove, from my health insurance plan to my employees, all Diabetes treatment just because I don't want them eating sugar.

    It just isn't reality.
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