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    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-03-17 07:52:43.0 login to vote score 3
    Can it get any more obvious what this is all about?

    It is not about how much Obama and the Democrats care about women, it is about deflection. Deflection away from their horrible management of the economy, their absolutely pathetic energy policy, and their mismanagement of the public trust in regards to the debt.

    They just extended this canard.
    vliam 1096 2012-03-17 08:00:27.0 login to vote score 2
    Agreed.

    They should have told the zealots to go fuck themselves.
    End of discussion.
    zanexero 1637 2012-03-17 08:01:02.0 login to vote score 2
    I predict a reasoned discussion about this topic.
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-03-17 08:03:19.0 login to vote score 0
    vliam: Agreed.

    They should have told the zealots to go fuck themselves.
    End of discussion.



    Such a typical progressive authoritarian mentality there. The real zealots are you, and you don't even recognize it. The religion of Progressive Leftism has their brand of authoritative zealotry.

    swingingjohnson 175 2012-03-17 08:03:42.0 login to vote score 5
    the sonic dildo: Can it get any more obvious what this is all about?

    It is not about how much Obama and the Democrats care about women, it is about deflection. Deflection away from their horrible management of the economy, their absolutely pathetic energy policy, and their mismanagement of the public trust in regards to the debt.

    They just extended this canard.


    You could not be any more wrong.

    The GOP invented this asinine issue because they have nothing else to run on.

    What the GOP has made a prime issue must be addressed. It can not be ignored.
    swingingjohnson 175 2012-03-17 08:06:09.0 login to vote score 2
    the sonic dildo: Can it get any more obvious what this is all about?

    Deflection away from their horrible management of the economy, their absolutely pathetic energy policy, and their mismanagement of the public trust in regards to the debt.


    In what respect Charlie?

    What's your problem with the pathetic energy policy?

    Do you even know anything about what you are rejecting?

    Explain what you don't like about the energy policy. Enlighten me, please.

    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-03-17 08:14:09.0 login to vote score 1
    swingingjohnson: You could not be any more wrong.


    Really? LOL SJ. I love you man, but you are completely wrong here. Just look at the time line. The Obama White House started this entire thing when they announced the new regulation. That was the shot across the bow that ignited this controversy. Then they poured gasoline on the fire with the fake phony "hearing" led by Pelosi when the GOP tried to squelch it. That was when America got to meet the fraud of innocent co-ed law student Sandra Fluke


    swingingjohnson: The GOP invented this asinine issue because they have nothing else to run on.


    They have nothing else to run on? How about the terrible economy , the massive unemployment, the terrible energy policy, and the record explosion of the debt. The loss of the USA's credit rating and the disaster that that is ObamaCare is also something they might be able to run on.


    swingingjohnson: What the GOP has made a prime issue must be addressed. It can not be ignored.


    Aside from the fact that the GOP was NOT the group behind the issue, what can't be ignored? That free BCPs and sterilization procedures are a civil right now?
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-03-17 08:18:39.0 login to vote score 0
    swingingjohnson: In what respect Charlie?

    What's your problem with the pathetic energy policy?

    Do you even know anything about what you are rejecting?

    Explain what you don't like about the energy policy. Enlighten me, please.



    Sure, they have an anti-fossil fuel energy policy which they embraced before alternative energy is even close to being ready for prime time. They take credit for the increased production that has come online now, which is a product of Bush. Let's not even talk about the Keystone Pipeline he blocked after 75% of the congress and a majority of the country wanted it.

    brazil 316 2012-03-17 08:22:18.0 login to vote score 0
    Where the sluts at?


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    swingingjohnson 175 2012-03-17 08:25:33.0 login to vote score 2
    the sonic dildo: Let's not even talk about the Keystone Pipeline he blocked after 75% of the congress and a majority of the country wanted it.

    Liar!!!

    http://www.npr.org/2012/03/08/148260261/senate-blocks-effort-to-speed-pipeline-approval


    brazil 316 2012-03-17 08:25:51.0 login to vote score 0
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    swingingjohnson 175 2012-03-17 08:29:21.0 login to vote score 1
    the sonic dildo: Really? LOL SJ. I love you man, but you are completely wrong here. Just look at the time line. The Obama White House started this entire thing when they announced the new regulation. That was the shot across the bow that ignited this controversy. Then they poured gasoline on the fire with the fake phony "hearing" led by Pelosi when the GOP tried to squelch it. That was when America got to meet the fraud of innocent co-ed law student Sandra Fluke





    They have nothing else to run on? How about the terrible economy , the massive unemployment, the terrible energy policy, and the record explosion of the debt. The loss of the USA's credit rating and the disaster that that is ObamaCare is also something they might be able to run on.



    Obamacare has not even started yet. Until 2014, STFU.

    Then after 2014 you can talk about a massive falure.


    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-03-17 08:33:48.0 login to vote score 0
    swingingjohnson: Liar!!!

    http://www.npr.org/2012/03/08/148260261/senate-blocks-effort-to-speed-pipeline-approval



    I am not a liar SJ.... did you even read the first sentence?

    "Under pressure from the White House, the Democratic-controlled Senate on Thursday blocked a Republican bid to speed approval of an oil pipeline from Canada to Texas."


    It clearly tells you that the White House and Obama lobbied Dem Senators to block the measure. It is well known and old news already. We'd probably be discussing it, instead the White House is happy to have this contraception distraction taking the stage.

    Wake the fuck up dude.
    swingingjohnson 175 2012-03-17 08:35:58.0 login to vote score 2
    the sonic dildo: I am not a liar SJ.... did you even read the first sentence?....

    Wake the fuck up dude.



    Do you ever read anything beyond the 1st sentence?


    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-03-17 08:37:51.0 login to vote score 0
    swingingjohnson: Obamacare has not even started yet. Until 2014, STFU.

    Then after 2014 you can talk about a massive falure.



    Dude... this regulation is ObamaCare.


    When you are ready to accept that I know more than you do about this let me know.
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-03-17 08:39:36.0 login to vote score 0
    swingingjohnson: Do you ever read anything beyond the 1st sentence?


    Well, you did call me a liar, and the first sentence completely proved I was not a liar and showed that Obama is the one behind the blocking of the pipeline, which I claimed.


    the bon_scott 1073 2012-03-17 08:39:58.0 login to vote score 0
    swingingjohnson 175 2012-03-17 08:42:05.0 login to vote score 2
    the sonic dildo: Well, you did call me a liar, and the first sentence completely proved I was not a liar and showed that Obama is the one behind the blocking of the pipeline, which I claimed.

    Specifically, this was your lie:

    Keystone Pipeline he blocked after 75% of the congress and a majority of the country wanted it."
    gahbrone 481 2012-03-17 08:42:42.0 login to vote score 1
    the sonic dildo: Can it get any more obvious what this is all about?

    It is not about how much Obama and the Democrats care about women, it is about deflection. Deflection away from their horrible management of the economy, their absolutely pathetic energy policy, and their mismanagement of the public trust in regards to the debt.

    They just extended this canard.



    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-03-17 08:46:11.0 login to vote score 0
    swingingjohnson: Specifically, this was your lie:

    Keystone Pipeline he blocked after 75% of the congress and a majority of the country wanted it."



    OK semantics man, please explain. Did I get my percentages wrong? Are you going to fight this battle and avoid the real issue? Likely that a majority of congress and America want this, and only Obama and his Environazis are against it.
    the bon_scott 1073 2012-03-17 08:46:55.0 login to vote score 0
    swingingjohnson: Specifically, this was your lie:Keystone Pipeline he blocked after 75% of the congress and a majority of the country wanted it."

    Go around that Pennsylvania water system and approve the fucking pipeline. It's basic common sense.
    swingingjohnson 175 2012-03-17 08:49:00.0 login to vote score 1



    the bon_scott: Go around that Pennsylvania water system and approve the fucking pipeline. It's basic common sense.

    Huh? What do you mean?



    drew curtis 1098 2012-03-17 08:49:39.0 login to vote score 4
    gahbrone:

    You're a fucking used dildo.
    the bon_scott 1073 2012-03-17 08:50:29.0 login to vote score 0
    swingingjohnson: Huh? What do you mean?

    We have a thousands of pipelines in this country. One more isn't going to hurt. Or would you rather we have more semi's driving on the highway?
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-03-17 08:52:12.0 login to vote score 0
    I am enjoying watching SJ try and defend the horrible energy policy of the Obama administration.

    Look no further than his Secretary of Energy, Steven Chu. He wants, and has publicly stated (along with Obama) that they want high gas prices. Also, he does't even own a car.

    Then he thinks that algae will solve our energy problems.
    swingingjohnson 175 2012-03-17 08:52:41.0 login to vote score 4
    the sonic dildo: OK semantics man, please explain. Did I get my percentages wrong? Are you going to fight this battle and avoid the real issue? Likely that a majority of congress and America want this, and only Obama and his Environazis are against it.

    No... it's not semantics.

    It is downright lying.

    There was never any 75% of the congress wanting the Keystone Pipeline to be approved and the majority of the country does not even know WTF it is.

    The pipeline never even had it's route planned before the GOP pushed to get it approved.
    swingingjohnson 175 2012-03-17 08:54:09.0 login to vote score 1
    the bon_scott: We have a thousands of pipelines in this country. One more isn't going to hurt. Or would you rather we have more semi's driving on the highway?

    Yeah but the Keystone didn't even have it's route planned before it was brought to the table.
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-03-17 08:55:34.0 login to vote score 0
    swingingjohnson: Obamacare has not even started yet. Until 2014, STFU.

    Then after 2014 you can talk about a massive falure.



    BTW... this is a common liberal progressive technique. You can't complain about anything until after it has taken effect.

    Since they lack foresight, they think everyone else doesn't have any. Get rid of it now, while we still can.

    Have you seen the CBO's recent reevaluation of it. It gong to cost DOUBLE, but more likely it will QUADRUPLE in cost by 2014.


    the bon_scott 1073 2012-03-17 08:57:13.0 login to vote score 2
    swingingjohnson: Yeah but the Keystone didn't even have it's route planned before it was brought to the table.

    They should have thought their end-around the PN water break before they submitted it in the first place. It's going to be approved by Obama, or whoever beats him (not going to happen), anyway. Better they have submitted the smart design earlier and avoided all this political b.s.

    I repeat, the Keystone pipeline will ultimately be approved.
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-03-17 08:57:26.0 login to vote score 0
    swingingjohnson: The pipeline never even had it's route planned before the GOP pushed to get it approved.


    swingingjohnson: Yeah but the Keystone didn't even have it's route planned before it was brought to the table.





    Dude, put the computer down.
    swingingjohnson 175 2012-03-17 08:58:24.0 login to vote score 5
    the sonic dildo: BTW... this is a common liberal progressive technique. You can't complain about anything until after it has taken effect.

    Since they lack foresight, they think everyone else doesn't have any. Get rid of it now, while we still can.

    Have you seen the CBO's recent reevaluation of it. It gong to cost DOUBLE, but more likely it will QUADRUPLE in cost by 2014.


    Jesus Christmas, I have more foreskin than you have foresight.

    What do you think is the result for the millions of Americans who have no insurance and then have no choice but to go to ERs for last resort medical treatment, AND THEN, not ever have any intention of paying the massive hospital bill unless they happen to win the lottery.

    What do you think is the result of that choice that Americans use every day?

    You, me and everyone pays more in the long run. A LOT MORE!


    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-03-17 08:58:43.0 login to vote score 0
    the bon_scott: It's going to be approved by Obama, or whoever beats him (not going to happen), anyway.


    It most certainly is not a lock TBS
    baron muchhumpin 4248 2012-03-17 08:59:37.0 login to vote score 3
    the sonic dildo: BTW... this is a common liberal progressive technique. You can't complain about anything until after it has taken effect.

    Since they lack foresight, they think everyone else doesn't have any. Get rid of it now, while we still can.

    Have you seen the CBO's recent reevaluation of it. It gong to cost DOUBLE, but more likely it will QUADRUPLE in cost by 2014.


    well it's pretty hard to classify something as a "failure" before it is even in place

    kinda makes you look like a partisan hack

    which of course, you are

    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-03-17 09:00:19.0 login to vote score -1
    swingingjohnson: Jesus Christmas, I have more foreskin than you have foresight.

    What do you think is the result for the millions of Americans who have no insurance and then have no choice but to go to ERs for last resort medical treatment, AND THEN, not ever have any intention of paying the massive hospital bill unless they happen to win the lottery.

    What do you think is the result of that choice that Americans use every day?

    You, me and everyone pays more in the long run. A LOT MORE!




    You sound like Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi there. Is this 2009?


    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-03-17 09:00:48.0 login to vote score 0
    baron muchhumpin: well it's pretty hard to classify something as a "failure" before it is even in place



    No it isn't.
    baron muchhumpin 4248 2012-03-17 09:01:47.0 login to vote score 2
    the sonic dildo: No it isn't.

    sure, according to an authoritarian like you

    mtbhucker 1201 2012-03-17 09:01:50.0 login to vote score 4
    Keystone is a clusterfuck. It will not provide any oil to Americans. It's all gonna be shipped elsewhere, and it will provide minimal jobs and not at all the numbers Trans-Canada was touting.

    It should tell you something when the majority of the Canadian Public is against this as well. Hell, the pipeline is not that popular in Alberta, and that is really saying something. The only people here pushing for it are industry and politicians, the public, for the most part, is against it.
    the bon_scott 1073 2012-03-17 09:03:23.0 login to vote score 1
    the sonic dildo: It most certainly is not a lock TBS

    If it isn't approved this country deserves to go down in flames. If in the 50's and 60's every project like this got the same political scrutiny today we'd be borrowing 10X more money from China right now.
    swingingjohnson 175 2012-03-17 09:03:55.0 login to vote score 2
    the bon_scott: They should have thought their end-around the PN water break before they submitted it in the first place. It's going to be approved by Obama, or whoever beats him (not going to happen), anyway. Better they have submitted the smart design earlier and avoided all this political b.s.

    I repeat, the Keystone pipeline will ultimately be approved.


    I know that. You know that. But this the sonic dildo: doesn't know much beyond what he's told to believe by his FOX news and right wing-nut websites.

    The Keystone project was prematurely pushed by the GOP for 1 reason. To make it an issue that they could run on and count on the fact that other little sonic dildos across America only know what they are told to know.


    the bon_scott 1073 2012-03-17 09:05:03.0 login to vote score 0
    mtbhucker: Keystone is a clusterfuck. It will not provide any oil to Americans. It's all gonna be shipped elsewhere, and it will provide minimal jobs and not at all the numbers Trans-Canada was touting. It should tell you something when the majority of the Canadian Public is against this as well. Hell, the pipeline is not that popular in Alberta, and that is really saying something. The only people here pushing for it are industry and politicians, the public, for the most part, is against it.

    You're always very astute on the issue, and the funny part is that the American public doesn't know a good deal when it's handed to them.
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-03-17 09:05:15.0 login to vote score 0
    baron muchhumpin: sure, according to an authoritarian like you

    LOL... keep dreamin' lib
    paranoyd 6555 2012-03-17 09:06:59.0 login to vote score 2
    Wow, I've not seen SJ take anyone apart like this before. I am impressed.
    pajamas 7950 2012-03-17 09:08:22.0 login to vote score 3
    This administration fought to do the right thing- to make sure that people at all income levels had access to basic reproductive health care. The religious right fought back and claimed that it was about who was paying for it. Despite the fact that they would NOT be paying for it anyway- insurance companies would be- this administration listened to their feedback and tried to take it in good faith, addressing their concerns so that the right thing was being done by everyone.

    Unfortunately, the right showed that it had lied about what the issue was. It was not about who was paying for it, as is now clear, but instead about limiting reproductive services for women all around, as they are proving state by state with their insane bills to put hurdles in the way of women seeking reproductive care.

    He dealt with them in good faith and found them to be liars.

    Next up, The right will force pornograpphy as their next issue? Let's find out.
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-03-17 09:08:26.0 login to vote score 0
    paranoyd: Wow, I've not seen SJ take anyone apart like this before. I am impressed.


    Where? When?

    LOL

    The miswired brains of libs is always fun.
    the bon_scott 1073 2012-03-17 09:08:51.0 login to vote score 0
    swingingjohnson: I know that. You know that. But this doesn't know much beyond what he's told to believe by his FOX news and right wing-nut websites.The Keystone project was prematurely pushed by the GOP for 1 reason. To make it an issue that they could run on and count on the fact that other little sonic dildos across America only know what they are told to know.

    OMFG, another pipeline on top of the thousands that we already have that creates thousands of jobs and more long-term jobs at U.S. refineries. The horror!
    zanexero 1637 2012-03-17 09:09:18.0 login to vote score 1
    Pthe bon_scott: If it isn't approved this country deserves to go down in flames. If in the 50's and 60's every project like this got the same political scrutiny today we'd be borrowing 10X more money from China right now.

    It does make for a convenient soapbox for Republicans to incorrectly imply causality between the pipeline and high gas prices.
    the bon_scott 1073 2012-03-17 09:11:02.0 login to vote score 5
    zanexero: PIt does make for a convenient soapbox for Republicans to incorrectly imply causality between the pipeline and high gas prices.

    True. But current gas prices have nothing to do with who's sitting in the WH. It's depressing that the average U.S. voter is so fucking dumb.
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-03-17 09:11:09.0 login to vote score 0
    pajamas: This administration fought to do the right thing- to make sure that people at all income levels had access to basic reproductive health care.

    EVerything is legal. By "access" you must mean "free".

    Even though they already have Tittle X.

    So tell us what exactly was the great national nightmare again?

    PJ this whole thing is a distraction away from their failures, which you support.
    zanexero 1637 2012-03-17 09:11:33.0 login to vote score 1
    the bon_scott: True. But current gas prices have nothing to do with who's sitting in the WH. It's depressing that the average U.S. voter is so fucking dumb.

    Wow. Agreement.
    paranoyd 6555 2012-03-17 09:13:23.0 login to vote score 1
    the bon_scott: If it isn't approved this country deserves to go down in flames. If in the 50's and 60's every project like this got the same political scrutiny today we'd be borrowing 10X more money from China right now.

    So we've learned nothing in 50/60 years that would require us to use more discretion in these sorts of projects?
    pajamas 7950 2012-03-17 09:15:40.0 login to vote score 4
    the sonic dildo: EVerything is legal. By "access" you must mean "free".

    Even though they already have Tittle X.

    So tell us what exactly was the great national nightmare again?

    PJ this whole thing is a distraction away from their failures, which you support.


    I mean what I wrote. "people at all income levels had access to basic reproductive health care". Travel around the world a little and note the difference that little thing makes to the quality of life for people everywhere. Do you understand the value of letting people with fewer resources prevent unintended pregnancy? If not, I am not really sure if there is any part of the rest of this conversation you WILL understand.

    And, given how many people clearly consider this issue important, I hope you can understand that your thinking it is a "distraction" is nonsensical. How about Rick Santorum and Pornography? Where the fuck did that come from? Romney and planned parenthood? These people are out of touch with what American people need.

    Your party has a disgusting lack of understanding of women's needs. Respect is one of them.
    paranoyd 6555 2012-03-17 09:16:54.0 login to vote score 1
    the sonic dildo: Where? When?

    LOL

    The miswired brains of libs is always fun.


    Yes, yes, I know. Everyone else is wrong. You're the only one who knows anything. I get it. It's only a flesh wound.
    pajamas 7950 2012-03-17 09:18:10.0 login to vote score 4
    back to the point. The Obama administration addressed what the religious right said was the issue. He did it in good faith. And discovered they were lying.
    paranoyd 6555 2012-03-17 09:18:54.0 login to vote score 1
    the bon_scott: OMFG, another pipeline on top of the thousands that we already have that creates thousands of jobs and more long-term jobs at U.S. refineries. The horror!

    I heard it would only create a relatively small amount of temporary jobs and wasn't worth it in the long run, but I have to admit to only having heard about it a couple of times.
    swingingjohnson 175 2012-03-17 09:19:07.0 login to vote score 3
    the bon_scott: OMFG, another pipeline on top of the thousands that we already have that creates thousands of jobs and more long-term jobs at U.S. refineries. The horror!

    Here's the main cause for the delay:

    It's original route crosses the Sandhills in Nebraska, the large wetland ecosystem, and the Ogallala Aquifer, one of the largest reserves of fresh water in the world. The Ogallala Aquifer spans eight states, provides drinking water for two million people, and supports $20 billion in agriculture. A major leak could ruin drinking water and devastate the mid-western U.S. economy.
    baron muchhumpin 4248 2012-03-17 09:19:18.0 login to vote score 2
    the sonic dildo: LOL... keep dreamin' lib

    rather be called a lib than be a closed minded conservative "internet libertarian" shill

    baron muchhumpin 4248 2012-03-17 09:20:11.0 login to vote score 2
    zanexero: P

    It does make for a convenient soapbox for Republicans to incorrectly imply causality between the pipeline and high gas prices.


    gas will drop to 50cents with this new pipeline!!

    baron muchhumpin 4248 2012-03-17 09:21:17.0 login to vote score 2
    paranoyd: Yes, yes, I know. Everyone else is wrong. You're the only one who knows anything. I get it. It's only a flesh wound.

    every one is wrong but me.. where have a i seen a definition that describes someone who thinks like that...

    swingingjohnson 175 2012-03-17 09:22:56.0 login to vote score 3
    baron muchhumpin: gas will drop to 50cents with this new pipeline!!

    I heard gas would drop below $1 a gallon with this new pipeline. And blowjobs would come free with each fill up.
    vliam 1096 2012-03-17 09:23:12.0 login to vote score 1
    the sonic dildo: Let's not even talk about the Keystone Pipeline he blocked after 75% of the congress and a majority of the country wanted it.

    I'd support the pipeline if it was routed to states with high unemployment. As it is, it transverses states are doing relatively well.

    Pipe that shit to Michigan, Indiana, or Ohio and we'll talk. Otherwise, fuck it.
    zanexero 1637 2012-03-17 09:23:34.0 login to vote score 0
    paranoyd: So we've learned nothing in 50/60 years that would require us to use more discretion in these sorts of projects?

    I think he's saying that scrutiny is to be expected, I don't think he implied judgement either way, FWIW.
    paranoyd 6555 2012-03-17 09:24:27.0 login to vote score 2
    swingingjohnson: I heard gas would drop below $1 a gallon with this new pipeline. And blowjobs would come free with each fill up.

    See, now I'm FOR it.
    swingingjohnson 175 2012-03-17 09:25:02.0 login to vote score 2
    the sonic dildo: Let's not even talk about the Keystone Pipeline he blocked after 75% of the congress and a majority of the country wanted it.

    75% of what congress? The Italian congress in Italy?


    baron muchhumpin 4248 2012-03-17 09:29:07.0 login to vote score 3
    the bon_scott: True. But current gas prices have nothing to do with who's sitting in the WH. It's depressing that the average U.S. voter is so fucking dumb.


    paranoyd 6555 2012-03-17 09:29:35.0 login to vote score 1
    zanexero: I think he's saying that scrutiny is to be expected, I don't think he implied judgement either way, FWIW.

    OK. It sounded like he was saying that, if we had this level of scrutiny in the 50s/60s we'd never have done anything and we'd be sucking more on China's teat.

    Not that I even necessarily wholly disagree, but I think it's a bit misleading to compare how we do these sorts of things now with 50/60 years ago, since we've developed new technologies and learned more about how things we do impact the environment, and it's entirely likely that, had we known these things back then, we would've done things differently. Although I'd take the congress of 50/60 years ago over the one we have now, corruption and all. At least it did get shit done.
    the bon_scott 1073 2012-03-17 09:31:12.0 login to vote score 0
    paranoyd: So we've learned nothing in 50/60 years that would require us to use more discretion in these sorts of projects?

    No, we should drown in debt and eagerly rollover like a doomed empire because doing business and having jobs isn't always 100% clean.
    mtbhucker 1201 2012-03-17 09:31:47.0 login to vote score 6
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-03-17 09:32:16.0 login to vote score 0
    the bon_scott: True. But current gas prices have nothing to do with who's sitting in the WH. It's depressing that the average U.S. voter is so fucking dumb.


    The dynamic and complexities aside that go into the cost of gas are one thing, but having a President and Energy Sec that both WANT gasoline to be more expensive (except in an election year) is a huge problem.

    Also, the overall energy policy is more than just the gas prices.
    the bon_scott 1073 2012-03-17 09:33:10.0 login to vote score 4
    swingingjohnson: Here's the main cause for the delay:It's original route crosses the Sandhills in Nebraska, the large wetland ecosystem, and the Ogallala Aquifer, one of the largest reserves of fresh water in the world. The Ogallala Aquifer spans eight states, provides drinking water for two million people, and supports $20 billion in agriculture. A major leak could ruin drinking water and devastate the mid-western U.S. economy.

    You're correct, I was mistaking PN for the NB Ogallala Aquifer. My bad.

    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-03-17 09:33:43.0 login to vote score 0
    pajamas: back to the point. The Obama administration addressed what the religious right said was the issue. He did it in good faith. And discovered they were lying.


    Who is lying and what is the lie?
    zanexero 1637 2012-03-17 09:34:00.0 login to vote score 2
    the sonic dildo: Sure, they have an anti-fossil fuel energy policy which they embraced before alternative energy is even close to being ready for prime time. They take credit for the increased production that has come online now, which is a product of Bush. Let's not even talk about the Keystone Pipeline he blocked after 75% of the congress and a majority of the country wanted it.

    Sure, and the majority of Americas support conditional abortion, so the Congressional Republicans should just STFU and go with the will o'er the people, right?


    swingingjohnson 175 2012-03-17 09:35:03.0 login to vote score 2
    mtbhucker: Once again, America will not see one drop of the oil. Keystone XL is a pipeline for overseas markets. Your gas prices will not drop.

    At a congressional hearing in December, Markey asked the president of TransCanada if he would agree to allowing Keystone XL oil and its refined products to stay in the U.S. He said no. So Markey then proposed an amendment to that effect, and Republicans said no—that it couldn’t be done, because the market for oil is not just domestic; it’s global. What Canada wants to do, says Markey, “is create a connection between Alberta and Asia and use the United States as the place where the pipeline gets constructed. And so if that’s all we are is a middleman in this transaction, then the American people should know that.

    How is this a good deal for Americans? It's not even a good deal for Canada.


    It's not a good deal other than the short temporary gig it gives to whatever companies build it.
    paranoyd 6555 2012-03-17 09:35:09.0 login to vote score 1
    the bon_scott: No, we should drown in debt and eagerly rollover like a doomed empire because doing business and having jobs isn't always 100% clean.

    Understandably, nothing is 100%, yes. That doesn't mean we should not do due diligence and be mindful of the impact we're having, etc. We know more in 2012 than we did in 1950, and we should be smart enough to use that information. I just find it to be a poor comparison, like saying back in the 1800s we knew how to get a full days work out of a black guy, not like now. Two different eras, no proper comparison, faulty logic. (No, I'm not comparing an oil pipeline with slavery.)
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-03-17 09:35:12.0 login to vote score 0
    the bon_scott: You're correct, I was mistaking PN for the NB Ogallala Aquifer. My bad.

    When you say PN, are you referring to Pennsylvania?
    pajamas 7950 2012-03-17 09:35:58.0 login to vote score 4
    the sonic dildo: The dynamic and complexities aside that go into the cost of gas are one thing, but having a President and Energy Sec that both WANT gasoline to be more expensive (except in an election year) is a huge problem.

    Also, the overall energy policy is more than just the gas prices.




    Obama: I think that we have been slow to move in a better direction when it comes to energy usage, and the president frankly hasn’t had an energy policy. As a consequence, we’ve been consuming energy as if it’s infinite. We now know that our demand is badly outstripping supply with China and India growing as rapidly as they are.

    Harwood: So, could these high prices help us?

    Obama: I think that I would have preferred a gradual adjustment. The fact that this is such a shock to American pocketbooks is not a good thing. But if we take some steps to help people make the adjustment, first of all by putting more money into their pockets, but also by encouraging the market to adapt to these new circumstances more quickly, particularly U.S. automakers, then I think, ultimately, we can come out of this stronger and have a more efficient energy policy than we do right now.


    You will never admit you are lying, anyway so what is the point

    When asked again Mar 6 he said, more to the point: “Look, here’s the bottom line with respect to gas prices. I want gas prices lower because they hurt families, because I meet folks every day who have to drive a long way to get to work. And then filling up this gas tank gets more and more painful, and it’s a tax out of their pocketbooks, out of their paychecks. And a lot of folks are already operating on the margins right now.
    pajamas 7950 2012-03-17 09:37:01.0 login to vote score 3
    the sonic dildo: Who is lying and what is the lie?

    I wish you would read other people's posts.

    "Unfortunately, the right showed that it had lied about what the issue was. It was not about who was paying for it, as is now clear, but instead about limiting reproductive services for women all around, as they are proving state by state with their insane bills to put hurdles in the way of women seeking reproductive care. "
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-03-17 09:37:51.0 login to vote score 0
    paranoyd: I just find it to be a poor comparison, like saying back in the 1800s we knew how to get a full days work out of a black guy, not like now. Two different eras, no proper comparison, faulty logic. (No, I'm not comparing an oil pipeline with slavery.)


    Seriously? You chose slavery, and then positioned it in the most offensive way possible.

    But, no... you weren't comparing the pipeline to slavery.
    the bon_scott 1073 2012-03-17 09:38:01.0 login to vote score 1
    paranoyd: Understandably, nothing is 100%, yes. That doesn't mean we should not do due diligence and be mindful of the impact we're having, etc. We know more in 2012 than we did in 1950, and we should be smart enough to use that information. I just find it to be a poor comparison, like saying back in the 1800s we knew how to get a full days work out of a black guy, not like now. Two different eras, no proper comparison, faulty logic. (No, I'm not comparing an oil pipeline with slavery.)

    That's why APC should have planned the route around the large NB water viaduct the first time.
    zanexero 1637 2012-03-17 09:38:08.0 login to vote score 4
    pajamas: Obama: I think that we have been slow to move in a better direction when it comes to energy usage, and the president frankly hasn’t had an energy policy. As a consequence, we’ve been consuming energy as if it’s infinite. We now know that our demand is badly outstripping supply with China and India growing as rapidly as they are.

    Harwood: So, could these high prices help us?

    Obama: I think that I would have preferred a gradual adjustment. The fact that this is such a shock to American pocketbooks is not a good thing. But if we take some steps to help people make the adjustment, first of all by putting more money into their pockets, but also by encouraging the market to adapt to these new circumstances more quickly, particularly U.S. automakers, then I think, ultimately, we can come out of this stronger and have a more efficient energy policy than we do right now.


    You will never admit you are lying, anyway so what is the point

    When asked again Mar 6 he said, more to the point: “Look, here’s the bottom line with respect to gas prices. I want gas prices lower because they hurt families, because I meet folks every day who have to drive a long way to get to work. And then filling up this gas tank gets more and more painful, and it’s a tax out of their pocketbooks, out of their paychecks. And a lot of folks are already operating on the margins right now.


    Never bring facts to an opinion fight.
    paranoyd 6555 2012-03-17 09:38:50.0 login to vote score 1
    the sonic dildo: The dynamic and complexities aside that go into the cost of gas are one thing, but having a President and Energy Sec that both WANT gasoline to be more expensive (except in an election year) is a huge problem.

    Also, the overall energy policy is more than just the gas prices.


    Yes, they think gas should be more expensive because that means it would be more in line with what the rest of the world pays, and drive innovation towards better energy solutions to save people money and be better stewards of the environment, not because they want to drain you, personally, of your hard earned money.
    the bon_scott 1073 2012-03-17 09:39:01.0 login to vote score 0
    the sonic dildo: When you say PN, are you referring to Pennsylvania?

    Yeah, turns out I should have been referring to Nebraska (yet another fly-over state).
    swingingjohnson 175 2012-03-17 09:40:01.0 login to vote score 4
    the bon_scott: You're correct, I was mistaking... My bad.




    This quote is what differentiates right wing nuts from reasonable people. That quote is inconceivable to them.

    Thank you.

    The only reason for the delay at this time is that the Keystone pipeline was recklessly proposed prematurely with no safe plan or determined route.

    I believe it was done 1/2 assed like that intentionally for the sole purpose of creating an energy issue to blame Obama with.

    The risks simply do not equal the profit. Not by a long shot.
    zanexero 1637 2012-03-17 09:40:59.0 login to vote score 3
    paranoyd: Understandably, nothing is 100%, yes. That doesn't mean we should not do due diligence and be mindful of the impact we're having, etc. We know more in 2012 than we did in 1950, and we should be smart enough to use that information. I just find it to be a poor comparison, like saying back in the 1800s we knew how to get a full days work out of a black guy, not like now. Two different eras, no proper comparison, faulty logic. (No, I'm not comparing an oil pipeline with slavery.)



    the sonic dildo: Seriously? You chose slavery, and then positioned it in the most offensive way possible.

    But, no... you weren't comparing the pipeline to slavery.


    Nope, he wasn't, your attempts to obfuscate aside.


    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-03-17 09:41:19.0 login to vote score 0
    pajamas: You will never admit you are lying, anyway so what is the point




    Please..... NBC news carrying the water for Obama and allowing him to backtrack on his previous bullshit. Chug moar Kool Aid.

    You people are so completely dishonest.
    vliam 1096 2012-03-17 09:41:19.0 login to vote score 1
    zanexero: Sure, and the majority of Americas support conditional abortion, so the Congressional Republicans should just STFU and go with the will o'er the people, right?

    Polls show that the majority of Americans now support the legalization of marijuana and gay marriage also.

    Weed
    Gay marriage

    "Will of the people" indeed.
    paranoyd 6555 2012-03-17 09:41:57.0 login to vote score 1
    the sonic dildo: Seriously? You chose slavery, and then positioned it in the most offensive way possible.

    But, no... you weren't comparing the pipeline to slavery.


    No, I didn't. I thought about it and chose my words. Please, read better.
    pajamas 7950 2012-03-17 09:42:56.0 login to vote score 1
    the sonic dildo: Please..... NBC news carrying the water for Obama and allowing him to backtrack on his previous bullshit. Chug moar Kool Aid.

    You people are so completely dishonest.


    This is what he said. Do you have any links to what YOU think he said? Seriously? Anything?

    The media outlets call your position a lie. Do you have anything to support it?
    paranoyd 6555 2012-03-17 09:43:37.0 login to vote score 1
    the bon_scott: That's why APC should have planned the route around the large NB water viaduct the first time.

    From the little I know about this, you're probably right. Of course, sj and mtb and others have pointed out a couple of other issues that are a problem with this project, but rerouting it would seem to be the first step.
    zanexero 1637 2012-03-17 09:44:04.0 login to vote score 2
    the sonic dildo: Please..... NBC news carrying the water for Obama and allowing him to backtrack on his previous bullshit. Chug moar Kool Aid.

    You people are so completely dishonest.


    When you have nothing to support your argument, disparage the source. Yup, textbook intellectual dishonesty.
    swingingjohnson 175 2012-03-17 09:44:25.0 login to vote score 1
    vliam: Polls show that the majority of Americans now support the legalization of marijuana and gay marriage also.

    Weed
    Gay marriage

    "Will of the people" indeed.



    As far as weed goes, it's a multi-billion dollar business.

    For cops, courts and prisons.
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-03-17 09:44:29.0 login to vote score 0
    the bon_scott: Yeah, turns out I should have been referring to Nebraska (yet another fly-over state).


    Well, Pennsylvania is abbreviated PA, not PN. It is also not a flyover state either. You live in NYC right?

    You can probably see PA from your penthouse.
    swingingjohnson 175 2012-03-17 09:45:26.0 login to vote score 1
    the sonic dildo: Well, Pennsylvania is abbreviated PA, not PN. It is also not a flyover state either. You live in NYC right?

    You can probably see PA from your penthouse.


    No. That's the other bN fat cat you are thinking of.

    TBS is west coast.
    pajamas 7950 2012-03-17 09:45:46.0 login to vote score 2
    vliam: Polls show that the majority of Americans now support the legalization of marijuana and gay marriage also.

    Weed
    Gay marriage

    "Will of the people" indeed.


    In a sane world, without rampant noise social conservatism, those things would be legal right now.
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-03-17 09:46:38.0 login to vote score 0
    zanexero: When you have nothing to support your argument, disparage the source. Yup, textbook intellectual dishonesty.


    No dishonesty here. I have Obama and Chu's own words to back me up. The CNBC piece simply allowing Obama to reverse his words for the election.
    the bon_scott 1073 2012-03-17 09:47:05.0 login to vote score 0
    the sonic dildo: Well, Pennsylvania is abbreviated PA, not PN. It is also not a flyover state either. You live in NYC right?You can probably see PA from your penthouse.

    Sorry, my bad. Was off on the Pennslyvania state acronym. And PA makes much more sense. But when I think of PA it immeditiatly makes me think of band gear and set up!
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-03-17 09:47:29.0 login to vote score 1
    swingingjohnson: No. That's the other bN fat cat you are thinking of.

    TBS is west coast.




    Ohhhhhhhhhhh. The more you know.
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