Florida man 'Stands His Ground' all over an innocent 17yo black boy whom he thought "looked suspicious" and needed shooting

pope sixtus ix: Did I tell you how fucking awesome it is Andrew Breitbart is DEAD?

Who?

pope sixtus ix: I'll bet a cowardly fat fuck like you would try to run and fail.

Heh

flashlv: Again you know so little about what happened. They fought, mutual combat.

Read more.

He (Zimmerman) was given an order to stop following Trayvon.

Based on that alone, I'm one to believe Zimmerman was the instigator.

osirisothedead: Orlando, Florida

And you wonder why I left?

/in 1992

osirisothedead: From what was he defending himself?

If anything, I'll bet Mr. Busybody pulled a gun and the black kid defended himself.

Fat Fuck didn't even think about that.

Ah, well the feds are on the case now.

We'll see what happens.

wsucanuck: He (Zimmerman) was given an order to stop following Trayvon.

Based on that alone, I'm one to believe Zimmerman was the instigator.


And? That doesn't mean the shooting was unjustified.

pope sixtus ix: I'll bet a cowardly fat fuck like you would try to run and fail.

Downvoted, huh? :D

pope sixtus ix: If anything, I'll bet Mr. Busybody pulled a gun and the black kid defended himself.

Fat Fuck didn't even think about that.

Also downvoted. Truth hurts, doesn't it, Fat Fuck?

Black kid automatically a victim. You all sound like Sharpton.

flashlv: And? That doesn't mean the shooting was unjustified.

IT rules out Zimmerman's claim of "self-defense", which would then make the shooting unjustified.

flashlv: And? That doesn't mean the shooting was unjustified.

Nor justified, FF.

Let's see how this case unfolds.

Sorry, guys. I've got to drop out of this thread and fight with my cat for the last of the catnip. Toodles!

wsucanuck: IT rules out Zimmerman's claim of "self-defense", which would then make the shooting unjustified.

No, it does not. He would have been arrested.

pope sixtus ix: Also downvoted. Truth hurts, doesn't it, Fat Fuck?

Ah, Fat Fuck is trying to strike my posts, now!!!

flashlv: Black kid automatically a victim. You all sound like Sharpton.

Unarmed kid doing nothing wrong is dead after being followed by a vigilante when the 911 dispatcher told him not to follow. Yeah. Right.

If the kid had been an undercover cop, the guy would have had the book thrown at him already.

osirisothedead: Unarmed kid doing nothing wrong is dead after being followed by a vigilante when the 911 dispatcher told him not to follow. Yeah. Right.

Guilty before a trial, sad you don't like the legal system.

pope sixtus ix: Nor justified, FF.

Let's see how this case unfolds.

It'll unroll like a fold of flab when flash does a jumping jack.

flashlv: I'll ask again, what was illegal here?

It was tragic, but following someone is not against the law.

Actually, they are still investigating and charges may be ensuing. On the face of it, it looks likes the cop-a-be had a habit of making 911 calls and, in this instance, went against the cops wishes and followed the young man which probably increased the likelihood that something bad was going to happen. Especially when the follower was packing heat and appeared to be itching for a fight, if you bothered to listen to the 911 tapes. He had already decided the young man was a bad guy and was lamenting that those assholes always got away with it ... or something like that.

Of course, I am just using common sense based upon the information that has been provided. I know that would be too much to ask of you.

pope sixtus ix: Ah, Fat Fuck is trying to strike my posts, now!!!

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Cry more child.

osirisothedead: It'll unroll like a fold of flab when flash does a jumping jack.

So what you're saying is it'll never happen?

Apparently if you're lost in Florida (looking around trying to figure out where you are, not moving purposely in one direction), apparently you're fair game for any local nutcase with a gun. I'm glad I live very far away from Florida.

little hands of concrete: Actually, they are still investigating and charges may be ensuing. On the face of it, it looks likes the cop-a-be had a habit of making 911 calls and, in this instance, went against the cops wishes and followed the young man which probably increased the likelihood that something bad was going to happen. Especially when the follower was packing heat and appeared to be itching for a fight, if you bothered to listen to the 911 tapes. He had already decided the young man was a bad guy and was lamenting that those assholes always got away with it ... or something like that.

Of course, I am just using common sense based upon the information that has been provided. I know that would be too much to ask of you.


I'm the only one not placing blame though.

flashlv: Cry more child.

I'm not the one trying to strike posts. I'm now grinning ear to ear, chum!! :D

flashlv: Guilty before a trial, sad you don't like the legal system.

Now, now, we'd all like to see a fair trial before this guy is convicted and hanged.

blandly pompous: Apparently if you're lost in Florida (looking around trying to figure out where you are, not moving purposely in one direction), apparently you're fair game for any local nutcase with a gun. I'm glad I live very far away from Florida.

Walking behind someone is wrong!

pope sixtus ix: I'm not the one trying to strike posts. I'm now grinning ear to ear, chum!! :D

Your posts are against the TOS.

I'm surprised there's not any calls to boycott Florida unless this wrong gets righted.

little hands of concrete: Of course, I am just using common sense based upon the information that has been provided. I know that would be too much to ask of you.

Link to the 9/11?

flashlv: Your posts are against the TOS.

Yours are against human decency.

blandly pompous: I'm surprised there's not any calls to boycott Florida unless this wrong gets righted.

Why is it wrong though?

so vote republican: Link to the 9/11?

They're linked in the article wsucanuck posted. Here, box on the left hand side.

flashlv: No, it does not. He would have been arrested.

Theres your authoritarian side coming out.


Not everyone is arrested immediately after the crime. Maybe the police are covering up gathering evidence so that they can arrest Zimmerman.

Why do you think someone should get arrested every time the police show up somewhere?

Have they even bothered to arrest this guy yet? Had the roles been reversed, that kid would be being cornholed in jail right now.

quinblake: "Ekow Yankah, an associate professor of criminal law at Cardozo School of Law in New York, says that to some people, it is reasonable to be suspicious of a young black man walking alone in the dark."

That's the most bizarre thing I've read lately.
So wtf...a young black man shouldn't be out walking after dark?

Apparently not, ask flash, he seems to think that this whole situation is just A-OK and the SEVENTEEN YEAR OLD KID deserved to die.

It's fucking retarded, and they are putting out a petition through change.org


If anyone is interested..

wsucanuck: Why do you think someone should get arrested every time the police show up somewhere?

It's flash's dating technique. Call 911.

I'll remember next time I'm packing heat in Vegas to find FlashLV, follow him, and then shoot him in "mutual combat". I'm sure he won't want to press charges.

The shooter has apparently been driven into hiding. Good.

Even if Zimmerman doesn't get arrested, he will never be free.

so vote republican: Link to the 9/11?

911

wsucanuck: Theres your authoritarian side coming out.


Not everyone is arrested immediately after the crime. Maybe the police are covering up gathering evidence so that they can arrest Zimmerman.

Why do you think someone should get arrested every time the police show up somewhere?

This is one of the rare cases where he doesn't want any police matter involved. I wonder why ?

I'm surprised Florida beat Arizona to something like this.

"Vegas 911 whats your emergency?"

Hello 911?

Yeah there's a really fat guy carrying food in this neighborhood. I think he stole it.


"do you have any evidence? Did you witness him stealing it?"


no.

"WEll, stop what you're doing right now"


fuck that, these fatties get away with this shit all the time.


*hangs up*

Hey fatass! *pop pop*


JUSTIFIED.

wsucanuck: I'll remember next time I'm packing heat in Vegas to find FlashLV, follow him, and then shoot him in "mutual combat". I'm sure he won't want to press charges.

And you are allowed to follow him anywhere, even to his home. Following someone isn't illegal, he says!

whitebread: Have they even bothered to arrest this guy yet? Had the roles been reversed, that kid would be being cornholed in jail right now.

That's the issue, this 17yo kid with a bag of Skittles for his brother, walking back to his fathers house was shot dead because he was a young black kid in a gated community, and the vigilante doesn't even get arrested.

It's ridiculous....

flashlv: I'm the only one not placing blame though.

Actually, you are not just "not placing blame".

clifton: And you are allowed to follow him anywhere, even to his home. Following someone isn't illegal, he says!

I can shoot someone if they won't let me pull them over for speeding!


Hey Flashy.... better watch out when you're driving. IF you don't pull over when I want you to....

He got out and chased him down, running.

Yeah, that's not self-defense.

The fat fuck looks like flash, must be some sort of inferiority complex.

Those guns don't make your cocks look any bigger...

flashlv: Your posts are against the TOS.

Your posts are against human decency.

:D

so vote republican: He got out and chased him down, running.

Yeah, that's not self-defense.

Gold, Jerry. Gold.

code_7: Apparently not, ask flash, he seems to think that this whole situation is just A-OK and the SEVENTEEN YEAR OLD KID deserved to die.

It's fucking retarded, and they are putting out a petition through change.org


If anyone is interested..

I can't see his posts or any replies to him. I'm on a laptop that I don't use often and last time I did I was experimenting with the ignore feature and I can't be bothered to un-ignore him at the moment.

pope sixtus ix: Your posts are against human decency.

:D

osirisothedead: Yours are against human decency.

pope isn't a quick one.

so vote republican: He got out and chased him down, running.

Yeah, that's not self-defense.

Depends on what happened when he caught up to the kid, according to FL law.

People sometimes stop in their cars and stare at me while I'm rolling around, probably because I'm morbidly obese and riding a mobility scooter, and I often yell at them and tell them to fuck off. I'm so glad that none of them have had a hand gun and that my scooter has a rabbit setting to allow for a quick getaway if needed.

jimmythehutt: Depends on what happened when he caught up to the kid, according to FL law.

Don't you mean flawlv?

quinblake: I can't see his posts or any replies to him. I'm on a laptop that I don't use often and last time I did I was experimenting with the ignore feature and I can't be bothered to un-ignore him at the moment.

Yeah, I have him on ignore but I can see replies.

jimmythehutt: Depends on what happened when he caught up to the kid, according to FL law.

Laws may be legal, but they don't affect my opinion.

so vote republican: Laws may be legal, but they don't affect my opinion.

Exactly. Regardless of the legality, it was a dick move.

blandly pompous: I'm surprised there's not any calls to boycott Florida unless this wrong gets righted.

Change.org petition

Holy hell, I'm still listening to the 911 calls, this little old lady who called and has the dead kid on her lawn is freaking me out a bit...

Maybe flash's goal on this site is to bring everyone (else) together, to foster a feeling of community in a community often at odds with itself? Perhaps flash is really just a benevolent tard.

code_7: That's the issue, this 17yo kid with a bag of Skittles for his brother, walking back to his fathers house was shot dead because he was a young black kid in a gated community, and the vigilante doesn't even get arrested.

It's ridiculous....

Tis indeed.

Note to black people. Don't move your family into a gated community for safety. You'll be regarded with suspicion and blamed for things you didn't do. Continue to live in the ghetto where the current majority can blame you for being too lazy and stupid to leave.

wsucanuck: Theres your authoritarian side coming out.


Not everyone is arrested immediately after the crime. Maybe the police are covering up gathering evidence so that they can arrest Zimmerman.

Why do you think someone should get arrested every time the police show up somewhere?

Why do YOU think I think that!?????

Why do you always assume the cops are doing something wrong?

Why would they cover this up? Seriously you looking being ridiculous and hypocritical.

code_7: Apparently not, ask flash, he seems to think that this whole situation is just A-OK and the SEVENTEEN YEAR OLD KID deserved to die.

It's fucking retarded, and they are putting out a petition through change.org


If anyone is interested..

Except I never said that troll.

I find it interesting that wsucanuck is issuing death threats and he is getting cool votes.

submitter: Maybe flash's goal on this site is to bring everyone (else) together, to foster a feeling of community in a community often at odds with itself? Perhaps flash is really just a benevolent tard.

I don't need to be here to facilitate these mongoloids to high five eachother.

They enjoy blaming cops for doing something wrong but no one else does anything wrong.

Hell, 2 people said they were going to kill me in this thread.

wsucanuck: I can shoot someone if they won't let me pull them over for speeding!


Hey Flashy.... better watch out when you're driving. IF you don't pull over when I want you to....

Another death threats from you, that's 3 in this thread alone.

How sad you must be.

iadtatami: The shooter has apparently been driven into hiding. Good.

Even if Zimmerman doesn't get arrested, he will never be free.

Sad that you believe someone is guilty before being proven innocent.

Looks like the Federales are getting involved with this, since the local yokels in blue are too stupid to uphold the law.

Heh.

polydactylkatze: Looks like the Federales are getting involved with this, since the local yokels in blue are too stupid to uphold the law.

Heh.

What law isn't being upheld??

I'd like to take this opportunity to remind you that if someone makes what you believe is a credible death threat against you, your first line of defense should be to call 911. We'll do what we can to work with authorities, but understand that I am powerless to protect you.

If you don't believe a threat justifies contacting police, then I doubt it makes the threshold of credible, and you can just go diaf ;)

grahams: If you don't believe a threat justifies contacting police, then I doubt it makes the threshold of credible, and you can just go diaf ;)

Are you setting the fire?

LOL @ vague laws. Some wise gang members might be able to use this to justify shooting someone who got angry at verbal provocation.

flashlv: What law isn't being upheld??

He murdered a kid, you dolt

code_7: He murdered a kid, you dolt

and it took 2 shots, the first being a miss...

and the kid was begging for his life, meaning the shooter's life wasn't threatened any longer...

code_7: He murdered a kid, you dolt

And? It was self defense

flashlv: And? It was self defense

flash, when i'm in vegas in May, we'll go out drinking, I'll smash your head in with a hammer and claim you tried to steal my wallet

baron muchhumpin: flash, when i'm in vegas in May, we'll go out drinking, I'll smash your head in with a hammer and claim you tried to steal my wallet

Further details that do not cast the shooter in a favorable light. This guy was looking to shoot someone.

jimmythehutt: Further details that do not cast the shooter in a favorable light. This guy was looking to shoot someone.

yep - flash lacks the "deductive reasoning" skill - where most of us can connect dots

like a kid screaming in the background and then getting shot, clearly the KID is the aggressor here

flashlv: And? It was self defense

You still haven't told us what he was defending himself against.

You are a stupid little troll.

osirisothedead: You still haven't told us what he was defending himself against.

You are a stupid little troll.

He was defending himself against having to go back home without opening up his score.

Several minutes later, according to other callers to 911 in the neighborhood, Zimmerman and Martin got into a wrestling match on the ground. One of the pair could be heard screaming for help. Then a single shot rang out, and Martin lay dead.


I guessed well! What kind of 28-year-old lives alone in a gated community anyway? Kinda creepy if you ask me...

I just joined this thread late and it was probably said before, but...

I really don't understand this.

Zimmerman, 28, who was bleeding from the nose and back of his head when police found him, claimed the two got in a scuffle and that he shot the boy in self-defense. Thus far, no charges have been filed against him.

They have proof that he started this incident. He called 911 and the operator said, NO! Don't approach him."

Then he approached him anyway. The only one that was threatened and attempting self defense was that boy who is dead now.

How can this man possibly claim self defense if there is solid proof that he approached the boy and started this incident?

flashlv: And? It was self defense

If I approach you while you are minding your own business walking home and threaten you, you don't like being threatened and you say something back to me, then I get even closer and a scuffle ensues... but then you start kicking my ass so I have no choice but to shoot you, that's my self defense?

swingingjohnson: How can this man possibly claim self defense if there is solid proof that he approached the boy and started this incident?

This is Florida remember, we like to acquit killers.

/hmm, and I have jury duty in 2 weeks...

pass the bacon: This is Florida remember, we like to acquit killers.

/hmm, and I have jury duty in 2 weeks...

Shit, you guys elect them to the Federal government!

Apologies for the length of the copypasta but I thought this was relevant.

Lawful Self-Defense - Weapons - Division of Licensing, FDACS

Q. Are there special laws that apply to the use of
Handguns?

A. Yes, special laws apply anytime anyone uses deadly force,
whether or not the weapon is concealed. Florida law defines deadly force as
force that is likely to cause death or great bodily harm. When you carry a
handgun, you possess a weapon of deadly force. The law considers even an
unloaded gun to be a deadly weapon when it is pointed at someone.

Q. When can I use my handgun to protect myself?

A. Florida law justifies use of deadly force when you are:



Trying to protect yourself or another person from death or serious bodily
harm;
Trying to prevent a forcible felony, such as rape, robbery, burglary or
kidnapping.


Using or displaying a handgun in any other circumstances could result in your
conviction for crimes such as improper exhibition of a firearm, manslaughter, or
worse.

Example of the kind of attack that will not justify defending yourself with
deadly force: Two neighbors got into a fight, and one of them tried to hit the
other by swinging a garden hose. The neighbor who was being attacked with the
hose shot the other in the chest. The court upheld his conviction for aggravated
battery with a firearm, because an attack with a garden hose is not the kind of
violent assault that justifies responding with deadly force.

Q. What if someone uses threatening language to me so that I am afraid for
my life or safety?

A. Verbal threats are not enough to justify the use of deadly force.
There must be an overt act by the person which indicates that he immediately
intends to carry out the threat. The person threatened must reasonably believe
that he will be killed or suffer serious bodily harm if he does not immediately
take the life of his adversary.

Q. What if I see a crime being committed?

A. A license to carry a concealed weapon does not make you a
free-lance policeman. But, as stated earlier, deadly force is justified if you
are trying to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony. The use of
deadly force must be absolutely necessary to prevent the crime. Also, if the
criminal runs away, you cannot use deadly force to stop him, because you would
no longer be "preventing" a crime. If use of deadly force is not necessary, or
you use deadly force after the crime has stopped, you could be convicted of
manslaughter.

Q. If I get a license to carry a concealed weapon, can I carry it
anywhere?

A. No. To get a license you must sign an oath that you have read and
understand the Jack Hagler Self-defense Act (Section 790.06, Florida Statutes).
That statute lists several places where you may not carry a concealed weapon.
You should read subsection 12 for a complete list, but some examples are
football, baseball, and basketball games (college or professional) and bars.

A cool head and even temper can keep handgun carriers out of trouble. You
should never carry a gun into a situation where you might get angry.

Summary

1. Never display a handgun to gain "leverage" in an argument, even if it
isn't loaded or you never intend to use it.

2. The amount of force that you use to defend yourself must not be excessive
under the circumstances.


Never use deadly force in self-defense unless you are afraid that if you
don't, you will be killed or seriously injured;
Verbal threats never justify your use of deadly force;
If you think someone has a weapon and will use it unless you kill him, be
sure you are right and are not overreacting to the situation.


3. The law permits you to carry a concealed weapon for self-defense. Carrying
a concealed weapon does not make you a free-lance policeman or a "good
samaritan."

fatsean: Shit, you guys elect them to the Federal government!

Hey now, I've only been here for one election cycle and I only voted in the Presidential, don't blame me.

pass the bacon:

Lawful Self-Defense - Weapons - Division of Licensing, FDACS....




The cops on the scene did not do their jobs.

baron muchhumpin: flash, when i'm in vegas in May, we'll go out drinking, I'll smash your head in with a hammer and claim you tried to steal my wallet

More death threats from bners.

jimmythehutt: Further details that do not cast the shooter in a favorable light. This guy was looking to shoot someone.

That may be true, but doesn't change the fact that this looks like self defense.

baron muchhumpin: yep - flash lacks the "deductive reasoning" skill - where most of us can connect dots

like a kid screaming in the background and then getting shot, clearly the KID is the aggressor here


Clearly, like usual, you assume to know more than the police and people directly involved.

flashlv: More death threats from bners.

no, a death threat would be "Flash I'm going to kill you"

my sentence was an example of how 1 story told MIGHT not really be the truth

i guess i shouldn't be surprised you couldn't figure that out

osirisothedead: You still haven't told us what he was defending himself against.

You are a stupid little troll.

He was defending himself from the aggressive kid.

flashlv: Clearly, like usual, you assume to know more than the police and people directly involved.

always, as usual, without fail, you are too dumb to connect the dots

remember the other thread on this?

Where the killer said "i was keeping him in eyesight" - how does a physical altercation happen if you are that far away?

clearly he WAS WAY TOO CLOSE, and had been ordered by 911 to NOT FOLLOW

flashlv: He was defending himself from the aggressive kid.

lol, flash, showing his intelligence with every post

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