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    flashlv 1657 2012-03-20 07:27:05.0 login to vote score -1
    swingingjohnson: If I approach you while you are minding your own business walking home and threaten you, you don't like being threatened and you say something back to me, then I get even closer and a scuffle ensues... but then you start kicking my ass so I have no choice but to shoot you, that's my self defense?

    Is there any evidence that Zimmerman threatened the kid?

    Yes SJ, in Florida, and other states with the Stand Your Ground law, it would be self defense. Just because you follow someone does not throw out your civil rights to defend yourself.

    Do you believe that this guy should not be able to defend himself? That's what I am seeing from many bners in this thread.

    I'm not sure why many believe your rights are thrown out the window because you follow someone.


    osirisothedead 1858 2012-03-20 07:30:43.0 login to vote score 0
    flashlv: He was defending himself from the aggressive kid.

    He followed the kid and confronted the kid, yet the kid is the one showing aggression?

    Again, you're a stupid little troll.
    flashlv 1657 2012-03-20 07:30:56.0 login to vote score -1
    swingingjohnson: I just joined this thread late and it was probably said before, but...

    I really don't understand this.

    Zimmerman, 28, who was bleeding from the nose and back of his head when police found him, claimed the two got in a scuffle and that he shot the boy in self-defense. Thus far, no charges have been filed against him.

    They have proof that he started this incident. He called 911 and the operator said, NO! Don't approach him."

    Then he approached him anyway. The only one that was threatened and attempting self defense was that boy who is dead now.

    How can this man possibly claim self defense if there is solid proof that he approached the boy and started this incident?


    The 911 operator is not law enforcement, they have no legal right to tell anyone what and what not to do. Following someone is not illegal, yet you guys think it is and it waives your right to defend yourself.

    The guys was stupid to follow him, something bad happened, and you guys throw out your critical thinking hats for mob justice hats.

    The guy had the right to defend himself against the kid, shooting him was way above what was necessary, but not illegal it looks like.

    Should they charge this guy and violate his rights that the law gives him just because something tragic happened?

    flashlv 1657 2012-03-20 07:32:00.0 login to vote score -1
    baron muchhumpin: no, a death threat would be "Flash I'm going to kill you"

    my sentence was an example of how 1 story told MIGHT not really be the truth

    i guess i shouldn't be surprised you couldn't figure that out


    I just know how violent you are.
    flashlv 1657 2012-03-20 07:32:41.0 login to vote score -1
    baron muchhumpin: lol, flash, showing his intelligence with every post

    I don't get why you are so close minded.
    osirisothedead 1858 2012-03-20 07:33:14.0 login to vote score 1
    ROFL @ flash accusing others of being closed minded!
    flashlv 1657 2012-03-20 07:33:34.0 login to vote score -1
    osirisothedead: He followed the kid and confronted the kid, yet the kid is the one showing aggression?

    Again, you're a stupid little troll.


    Following someone is being aggressive? So the people following cops with cameras are being aggressive?
    flashlv 1657 2012-03-20 07:33:57.0 login to vote score -1
    osirisothedead: ROFL @ flash accusing others of being closed minded!

    LOL that you think this guys has no rights.
    baron muchhumpin 4248 2012-03-20 07:34:14.0 login to vote score 0
    osirisothedead: ROFL @ flash accusing others of being closed minded!

    PLUS eleventy-brazillion!!!

    baron muchhumpin 4248 2012-03-20 07:34:43.0 login to vote score 2
    flashlv: LOL that you think this guys has no rights.

    LOL that flash thinks it's ok to carry a firearm, start a fight, then kill the other person!!

    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
    swingingjohnson 175 2012-03-20 07:35:38.0 login to vote score 2
    flashlv: Is there any evidence that Zimmerman threatened the kid?

    Yes SJ, in Florida, and other states with the Stand Your Ground law, it would be self defense. Just because you follow someone does not throw out your civil rights to defend yourself.

    Do you believe that this guy should not be able to defend himself? That's what I am seeing from many bners in this thread.

    I'm not sure why many believe your rights are thrown out the window because you follow someone.


    Do you know what neighborhood watch means?

    It means you watch.

    If you see something suspicious, you call 911.


    flashlv 1657 2012-03-20 07:38:31.0 login to vote score -2
    baron muchhumpin: LOL that flash thinks it's ok to carry a firearm, start a fight, then kill the other person!!

    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL


    Again no proof he started the fight.
    osirisothedead 1858 2012-03-20 07:39:18.0 login to vote score 0
    flashlv: Again no proof he started the fight.

    Except that he followed the kid, got out of his car and confronted him. Yeah. You're right.

    Dumb cunt.
    flashlv 1657 2012-03-20 07:40:05.0 login to vote score -1
    swingingjohnson: Do you know what neighborhood watch means?

    It means you watch.

    If you see something suspicious, you call 911.


    He did just that though. The kid confronted him. The kid started the fight though.
    baron muchhumpin 4248 2012-03-20 07:41:01.0 login to vote score 0
    flashlv: Again no proof he started the fight.

    he willingly FOLLOWED AN INNOCENT PERSON after he was TOLD NOT TO

    this person also had 46 other calls into 911 for 'suspicious person'

    if you can't wrap your head around the responsibility that comes with carrying a gun then there's ZERO help for you

    If you know you have the advantage, you don't go looking for trouble

    baron muchhumpin 4248 2012-03-20 07:41:15.0 login to vote score 0
    flashlv: He did just that though. The kid confronted him. The kid started the fight though.

    you have ZERO proof of that

    flashlv 1657 2012-03-20 07:42:06.0 login to vote score -1
    osirisothedead: Except that he followed the kid, got out of his car and confronted him. Yeah. You're right.

    Dumb cunt.


    He did not confront the kid, all the articles about this say the kid confronted him.

    Source where you got the opposite information, dumb cunt.

    osirisothedead 1858 2012-03-20 07:42:29.0 login to vote score 1
    flashlv: He did not confront the kid, all the articles about this say the kid confronted him.

    Source where you got the opposite information, dumb cunt.


    No they don't.
    flashlv 1657 2012-03-20 07:42:44.0 login to vote score -1
    baron muchhumpin: he willingly FOLLOWED AN INNOCENT PERSON after he was TOLD NOT TO

    this person also had 46 other calls into 911 for 'suspicious person'

    if you can't wrap your head around the responsibility that comes with carrying a gun then there's ZERO help for you

    If you know you have the advantage, you don't go looking for trouble


    Following someone is not illegal.

    flashlv 1657 2012-03-20 07:44:00.0 login to vote score -1
    baron muchhumpin: you have ZERO proof of that

    Bullshit I don't, it's in the articles about this.

    Learn to read.
    swingingjohnson 175 2012-03-20 07:44:08.0 login to vote score 1
    flashlv: He did just that though. The kid confronted him. The kid started the fight though.

    Flash, I'm sorry, you're wrong. I wasn't sure either what all the facts were but now a lot more info is coming in.

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-death-friend-phone-teen-death-recounts/story?id=15959017

    This is a new ABC reports that plays several 911 calls.

    Phone records show the kid called someone on his own phone and was saying he was scared, some guy is following me.

    Now the FBI is getting involved. This was murder.
    flashlv 1657 2012-03-20 07:45:12.0 login to vote score 0
    osirisothedead: No they don't.

    They do to, they say the kid confronted him. The original article said that last week.
    flashlv 1657 2012-03-20 07:47:11.0 login to vote score 0
    swingingjohnson: Flash, I'm sorry, you're wrong. I wasn't sure either what all the facts were but now a lot more info is coming in.

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-death-friend-phone-teen-death-recounts/story?id=15959017

    This is a new ABC reports that plays several 911 calls.

    Phone records show the kid called someone on his own phone and was saying he was scared, some guy is following me.

    Now the FBI is getting involved. This was murder.



    The article we had last week said the kid confronted the gunman. You have other proof, share it.

    nobody 6622 2012-03-20 07:49:22.0 login to vote score 0
    wsucanuck: "Vegas 911 whats your emergency?"

    Hello 911?

    Yeah there's a really fat guy carrying food in this neighborhood. I think he stole it.


    "do you have any evidence? Did you witness him stealing it?"


    no.

    "WEll, stop what you're doing right now"


    fuck that, these fatties get away with this shit all the time.

    Flash: SOURCE?!?!


    *hangs up*

    Hey fatass! *pop pop*


    JUSTIFIED.



    toybox 1085 2012-03-20 07:51:14.0 login to vote score 0
    You all sound aggressive. Assholes like you always get away. I'm going to find you guys and start a fight so I can claim self-defense.

    Yes, it absolutely matters in law if you actively seek out the situation. You can't claim rape if you chase a man down, get on top, pull out his dick, and fuck him. That's what Mr. Neighborhood-Chase-And-Shoot is doing.
    swingingjohnson 175 2012-03-20 07:53:33.0 login to vote score 0
    flashlv: The article we had last week said the kid confronted the gunman. You have other proof, share it.

    Dude... just watch the video and read TFA.

    A lot more info is coming out.

    This article is 4 hours old. His cell phone records show he was on his own phone up until the point he was killed.
    thundercougarfalconbird 457 2012-03-20 07:55:27.0 login to vote score 1
    I heard the guy said that the kid was following him around, throwing skittles at him and calling him a fag and flicking his ears and saying he fucked the guy's mom, so of course it's self defense.
    surfnazi 932 2012-03-20 07:56:22.0 login to vote score 0
    flashlv: They do to, they say the kid confronted him. The original article said that last week.

    You were called on that immediately last time too. No it didn't.
    tass 609 2012-03-20 07:57:24.0 login to vote score 0
    FTFA: "We've all been trained to be afraid of black men"

    Not all black men dress and act the thug role. The ones who do should know the message they are sending is one of menace and not be surprised when they are treated as such.
    submitter 10915 2012-03-20 08:02:44.0 login to vote score 0
    tass: FTFA: "We've all been trained to be afraid of black men"

    Not all black men dress and act the thug role. The ones who do should know the message they are sending is one of menace and not be surprised when they are treated as such.


    Totally. White face for every black person!
    fatsean 3838 2012-03-20 08:03:12.0 login to vote score 2
    tass: FTFA: "We've all been trained to be afraid of black men"

    Not all black men dress and act the thug role. The ones who do should know the message they are sending is one of menace and not be surprised when they are treated as such.


    It is true. You will be judged by what you wear. Like Muslims wearing traditional garments. Or jingoists displaying symbols of nationalism.
    paranoyd 6555 2012-03-20 08:03:34.0 login to vote score 0
    flashlv: Don't be confused, I hate criminals and some people deserve what they get.

    What was illegally done in this case?


    Why do you hate criminals?
    paranoyd 6555 2012-03-20 08:04:55.0 login to vote score 0
    flashlv: That is a point of escalation, but don't you think the kid also escalated more?

    So you agree, it's Zimmerman's fault. Good deal.
    flashlv 1657 2012-03-20 08:05:23.0 login to vote score 0
    swingingjohnson: Dude... just watch the video and read TFA.

    A lot more info is coming out.

    This article is 4 hours old. His cell phone records show he was on his own phone up until the point he was killed.


    New info is good. The article last Friday, when it was first discussed here said the kid confronted Zimmerman. zimmerman was just following the kid and was looking for an addres to give the cops. The kid then yelled at him and asked why he was following him, and they they fought.

    Why is it being assumed by you and others that Zimmerman was the aggressor JUST because he got out of his car?


    flashlv 1657 2012-03-20 08:06:03.0 login to vote score 0
    surfnazi: You were called on that immediately last time too. No it didn't.

    I was not called on it last time, because it WAS in the article.

    can someone link it, I'm having trouble finding it.
    surfnazi 932 2012-03-20 08:07:31.0 login to vote score 0
    flashlv: I was not called on it last time, because it WAS in the article.

    can someone link it, I'm having trouble finding it.


    The article had a sheriff stating that that is what Zimmerman said what happened. That is the closest thing to saying the boy confronted him anywhere.
    swingingjohnson 175 2012-03-20 08:07:40.0 login to vote score 0
    flashlv: Don't be confused, I hate criminals and some people deserve what they get.

    What was illegally done in this case?


    Non emergency police phone number transcript:

    "These a**holes always get away," Zimmerman says in a call to a non-emergency number.

    Dispatcher: "Are you following him?"

    Zimmerman: "Yeah."

    Dispatcher: "We don't need you to do that."

    An altercation soon ensued. A few moments later a torrent of 911 calls flooded in and Martin was killed by a single bullet. Zimmerman claimed self-defense
    submitter 10915 2012-03-20 08:07:52.0 login to vote score 0
    flashlv: Why is it being assumed by you and others that Zimmerman was the aggressor JUST because he got out of his car?

    BECAUSE THAT'S AGGRESSIVE
    baron muchhumpin 4248 2012-03-20 08:09:42.0 login to vote score 0
    flashlv: Bullshit I don't, it's in the articles about this.

    Learn to read.


    Lol.. the guy who killed the innocent black kid said so, so it must be true

    Lolololololol
    swingingjohnson 175 2012-03-20 08:10:04.0 login to vote score 1
    Also in a matter of days over 500,000 people have signed a petition calling for the FBI to investigate which they are now doing.

    The Orlando police work seems almost criminal here.
    flashlv 1657 2012-03-20 08:11:15.0 login to vote score 0
    Zimmerman told the police that Martin noticed that he was being followed and asked, “what’s your problem?”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/08/family-of-trayvon-martin-_n_1332756.html


    swingingjohnson 175 2012-03-20 08:11:53.0 login to vote score 1
    submitter: BECAUSE THAT'S AGGRESSIVE

    This Zimmerman guy had been playing Batman for a long time. He was probably wanting to shoot someone for awhile.
    flashlv 1657 2012-03-20 08:12:02.0 login to vote score 0
    surfnazi: The article had a sheriff stating that that is what Zimmerman said what happened. That is the closest thing to saying the boy confronted him anywhere.

    Exactly, I'm not wrong. The article states that.

    The kid confronted HIM. Why are you choosing to believe the opposite?
    osirisothedead 1858 2012-03-20 08:12:36.0 login to vote score 0
    flashlv: Zimmerman told the police that Martin noticed that he was being followed and asked, “what’s your problem?”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/08/family-of-trayvon-martin-_n_1332756.html


    Yes, that certainly seems like the kid was the aggressor, doesn't it? I mean, the only way he could have made it worse is if he'd yelled "YO HONKY WHAT THE FUCK? I'MA POP A CAP IN YO ASS" before defecating on the SUV's hood.
    swingingjohnson 175 2012-03-20 08:12:39.0 login to vote score 0
    flashlv: New info is good. The article last Friday, when it was first discussed here said the kid confronted Zimmerman. zimmerman was just following the kid and was looking for an addres to give the cops. The kid then yelled at him and asked why he was following him, and they they fought.

    Why is it being assumed by you and others that Zimmerman was the aggressor JUST because he got out of his car?


    Well, the more you know =======*
    surfnazi 932 2012-03-20 08:12:56.0 login to vote score 0
    flashlv: Exactly, I'm not wrong. The article states that.

    The kid confronted HIM. Why are you choosing to believe the opposite?


    Yeah, your conclusion is wrong. Zimmerman says the kid confronted him is the only thing you can draw from it.
    flashlv 1657 2012-03-20 08:12:59.0 login to vote score 0
    submitter: BECAUSE THAT'S AGGRESSIVE

    Okay, so I guess you are against people following police and filming them?
    flashlv 1657 2012-03-20 08:13:22.0 login to vote score 0
    baron muchhumpin: Lol.. the guy who killed the innocent black kid said so, so it must be true

    Lolololololol


    Why are you so pessimistic?
    osirisothedead 1858 2012-03-20 08:13:43.0 login to vote score 0
    So now asking why you're being followed is punishable by death. Good to know.
    thundercougarfalconbird 457 2012-03-20 08:14:42.0 login to vote score 0
    swingingjohnson: Also in a matter of days over 500,000 people have signed a petition calling for the FBI to investigate which they are now doing.

    The Orlando police work seems almost criminal here.


    To be fair to the epicness that is Orlando, it happened in Sanford, a city near Orlando.
    osirisothedead 1858 2012-03-20 08:15:10.0 login to vote score 0
    Sanford, Florida
    surfnazi 932 2012-03-20 08:15:56.0 login to vote score 1
    flashlv: Okay, so I guess you are against people following police and filming them?

    Yes. Following them around is harassment.
    osirisothedead 1858 2012-03-20 08:16:26.0 login to vote score 0
    flashlv: Okay, so I guess you are against people following police and filming them?

    Following them around with a gun and the intent to dish out some vigilante justice, absolutely. Duh.
    swingingjohnson 175 2012-03-20 08:16:53.0 login to vote score 0
    baron muchhumpin 4248 2012-03-20 08:17:15.0 login to vote score 0
    flashlv: Why are you so pessimistic?

    Not taking the word of the person who killed a kid is pessimistic?


    baron muchhumpin 4248 2012-03-20 08:18:57.0 login to vote score 0
    swingingjohnson: NEW INFO FROM THIS ABC REPORT FROM 4 HOURS AGO

    This child was murdered.


    Waiting for flash to say bllack girl is lying
    flashlv 1657 2012-03-20 08:18:58.0 login to vote score 0
    swingingjohnson: Also in a matter of days over 500,000 people have signed a petition calling for the FBI to investigate which they are now doing.

    The Orlando police work seems almost criminal here.


    How so? What have they done wrong? The law states that if you are fear for your life, you have zero duty to try to leave the scene. You hve the right to stand your ground and defend yourself.

    Now, if the kid was aggressive at all, then this is justified if he really feared for his life. You have to be Zimmerman to know if he was scared or not.

    Does Zimmerman have the right to defend himself?

    According to the law, does Zimmerman have the right to defend himself if confronted?

    Also, Zimmerman seems like a loose cannon and a douche, but doesn't mean he should be charged because people are outraged.

    should public opinion overrule the law? Should the cops arrest him and go against the law? Is there any evidence that Zimmerman did anything illegal?

    If you can answer yes to any of that then legally he did something wrong.

    Morally he is an idiot and never should have had a gun, but that doesn't change the fact that he was well within his right to be where he was.

    Why do yo uguys disagree with his right to carry a weapon and defend himself?
    flashlv 1657 2012-03-20 08:19:25.0 login to vote score 0
    osirisothedead: Yes, that certainly seems like the kid was the aggressor, doesn't it? I mean, the only way he could have made it worse is if he'd yelled "YO HONKY WHAT THE FUCK? I'MA POP A CAP IN YO ASS" before defecating on the SUV's hood.

    Keep being a moron.
    submitter 10915 2012-03-20 08:19:33.0 login to vote score 3
    flashlv: Okay, so I guess you are against people following police and filming them?

    If by filming you mean shooting them and killing the without justification then yes, I am against people following police and filming them.
    flashlv 1657 2012-03-20 08:19:53.0 login to vote score 0
    osirisothedead: Following them around with a gun and the intent to dish out some vigilante justice, absolutely. Duh.

    Why do you believe he intended to shoot the kid?


    flashlv 1657 2012-03-20 08:20:50.0 login to vote score 0
    baron muchhumpin: Not taking the word of the person who killed a kid is pessimistic?

    Assuming the guy is guilty just because he shot a kid is ignorant.


    osirisothedead 1858 2012-03-20 08:21:05.0 login to vote score 0
    flashlv: Why do you believe he intended to shoot the kid?

    His statements to 911 dispatch saying he was going to follow the kid and bitching about people "getting away with it".
    flashlv 1657 2012-03-20 08:21:18.0 login to vote score 0
    What did Zimmerman do that the police can arrest him?
    osirisothedead 1858 2012-03-20 08:21:43.0 login to vote score 0
    flashlv: What did Zimmerman do that the police can arrest him?

    Committed murder.
    flashlv 1657 2012-03-20 08:21:48.0 login to vote score 0
    osirisothedead: His statements to 911 dispatch saying he was going to follow the kid and bitching about people "getting away with it".

    That doesn't mean shit man, you know that. You get pissed when I argue that way, but it's okay when you do it....
    flashlv 1657 2012-03-20 08:22:17.0 login to vote score 0
    osirisothedead: Committed murder.

    The facts don't support that though. Should he be arrested and have his rights violated?
    submitter 10915 2012-03-20 08:22:19.0 login to vote score 2
    I can't wait for new graphic tees:

    "Trayvon Shot First"
    osirisothedead 1858 2012-03-20 08:23:19.0 login to vote score 3
    flashlv: The facts don't support that though. Should he be arrested and have his rights violated?

    Zimmerman was the aggressor. He followed the kid and confronted him. The victim here (i.e., the kid who was shot and killed) was the one acting in self-defense. Not Zimmerman.
    surfnazi 932 2012-03-20 08:24:20.0 login to vote score 3
    Zimmerman was stalking the kid. It is harassment, and it is illegal.
    flashlv 1657 2012-03-20 08:24:32.0 login to vote score 0
    'Stand your ground'
    Police declined to arrest Zimmerman, and turned the case over to prosecutors where it remains under review. Police cited Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law, enacted in 2005 and now in effect in at least 16 other states.






    Advertise | AdChoices







    Dubbed "Shoot first (ask questions later)" by opponents, the Florida law allows a potential crime victim who is "in fear of great bodily injury" to use deadly force in public places.

    The landmark law expanded on legislation, known as the Castle Doctrine, that allowed use of deadly force in defense of "hearth and home." Passed under former Florida Governor Jeb Bush in 2005, it overturned a centuries-old doctrine that required the potential victim to retreat and avoid confrontation if possible, according to Ladd Everitt, spokesman for the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, a Washington-based advocacy group.

    "No one could argue that Zimmerman could not have safely retreated and avoided this conflict, and I think that is the critical element here and why these laws are so dangerous," Everitt said. "He (Zimmerman) does not have a duty to retreat in Florida."

    swingingjohnson 175 2012-03-20 08:24:48.0 login to vote score 0
    flashlv: How so? What have they done wrong? The law states that if you are fear for your life, you have zero duty to try to leave the scene. You hve the right to stand your ground and defend yourself.

    Now, if the kid was aggressive at all, then this is justified if he really feared for his life. You have to be Zimmerman to know if he was scared or not.

    Does Zimmerman have the right to defend himself?

    According to the law, does Zimmerman have the right to defend himself if confronted?

    Also, Zimmerman seems like a loose cannon and a douche, but doesn't mean he should be charged because people are outraged.

    should public opinion overrule the law? Should the cops arrest him and go against the law? Is there any evidence that Zimmerman did anything illegal?

    If you can answer yes to any of that then legally he did something wrong.

    Morally he is an idiot and never should have had a gun, but that doesn't change the fact that he was well within his right to be where he was.

    Why do yo uguys disagree with his right to carry a weapon and defend himself?


    If you are trying to set up theory as Zimmermans defense attorney there is now evidence that you are wrong and your client will be found guilty.

    The law of self defense in Florida states the word REASONABLE CAUSE".

    Between his calls, other 911 callers and the call the call made on his own phone seconds before his death, reasonable fear of life and self defense will not apply to a jury.



    surfnazi 932 2012-03-20 08:25:30.0 login to vote score 0
    Only a complete fucking moron would consider "following someone" to be standing their ground.
    osirisothedead 1858 2012-03-20 08:26:18.0 login to vote score 0
    surfnazi: Only a complete fucking moron would consider "following someone" to be standing their ground.

    That's convenient because flashlv is a complete fucking moron.
    flashlv 1657 2012-03-20 08:26:53.0 login to vote score 0
    osirisothedead: Zimmerman was the aggressor. He followed the kid and confronted him. The victim here (i.e., the kid who was shot and killed) was the one acting in self-defense. Not Zimmerman.

    That is your opinion, since following someone is not illegal.
    swingingjohnson 175 2012-03-20 08:27:14.0 login to vote score 0
    flashlv: Why do you believe he intended to shoot the kid?

    Non emergency police phone number transcript:

    "These a**holes always get away," Zimmerman says in a call to a non-emergency number.

    Dispatcher: "Are you following him?"

    Zimmerman: "Yeah."

    Dispatcher: "We don't need you to do that."
    surfnazi 932 2012-03-20 08:27:39.0 login to vote score 0
    flashlv: That is your opinion, since following someone is not illegal.

    Yes it is. It's harassment.
    osirisothedead 1858 2012-03-20 08:27:59.0 login to vote score 2
    flashlv: That is your opinion, since following someone is not illegal.

    It doesn't have to be illegal to be an act of aggression, dumbass.
    envelope 1546 2012-03-20 08:28:10.0 login to vote score 0
    flashlv:

    I agree that the horrible FL law may provide some legal loophole for this guy, but that does not change the fact that his actions were morally wrong and precipitated the murder of an innocent.


    flashlv 1657 2012-03-20 08:29:55.0 login to vote score 0
    osirisothedead: That's convenient because flashlv is a complete fucking moron.

    I'm a moron because I think that someone should be arrested for doing something the law allows him to?

    Really Osiris? Should we throw the laws out the window just because people are outraged?
    xxplosiv 3123 2012-03-20 08:30:57.0 login to vote score 0
    envelope: I agree that the horrible FL law may provide some legal loophole for this guy, but that does not change the fact that his actions were morally wrong and precipitated the murder of an innocent.

    It's beyond that, by cornering his prey, zimmerman committed himself to an act of aggression, what exactly was he going to do when he met mr. martin? was he going to wave his magic wand and teleport a pair of officers into battle for 'suspicious' activity? it is clearly obvious what mr zimmerman's intent was, and it was not anything less than direct confrontation, and since he was carrying a concealed weapon, that appropriates intent to fatality. Case Closed.
    surfnazi 932 2012-03-20 08:30:58.0 login to vote score 1
    flashlv: I'm a moron because I think that someone should be arrested for doing something the law allows him to?

    Really Osiris? Should we throw the laws out the window just because people are outraged?


    784.048 Stalking; definitions; penalties.—
    (1) As used in this section, the term:
    (a) “Harass” means to engage in a course of conduct directed at a specific person that causes substantial emotional distress in such person and serves no legitimate purpose.

    Dispatcher: "We don't need you to do that."

    osirisothedead 1858 2012-03-20 08:31:03.0 login to vote score 1
    flashlv: I'm a moron because I think that someone should be arrested for doing something the law allows him to?

    Really Osiris? Should we throw the laws out the window just because people are outraged?


    The law does not allow somebody to stalk, confront and kill someone else and later claim "self defense".
    swingingjohnson 175 2012-03-20 08:31:09.0 login to vote score 0
    flashlv:

    According to the law, does Zimmerman have the right to defend himself if confronted?


    Someone posted the law as written in Florida.

    Zimmerman was not confronted.

    He was the aggressor who confronted the kid.


    flashlv 1657 2012-03-20 08:32:38.0 login to vote score 0
    swingingjohnson: If you are trying to set up theory as Zimmermans defense attorney there is now evidence that you are wrong and your client will be found guilty.

    The law of self defense in Florida states the word REASONABLE CAUSE".

    Between his calls, other 911 callers and the call the call made on his own phone seconds before his death, reasonable fear of life and self defense will not apply to a jury.


    Reasonable cause is always in self defense laws. Now all we need is a way to read Zimmermans mind and see if he in fact did not fear for his life.

    If he feared for his life, the law allows him to use deadly force.

    What should he be charged with? There has to be no reasonable doubt for him to be charged with a crime.
    osirisothedead 1858 2012-03-20 08:34:07.0 login to vote score 0
    flashlv: If he feared for his life, the law allows him to use deadly force.

    If he feared for his life, he wouldn't have followed the kid and confronted him. So there goes that argument.
    swingingjohnson 175 2012-03-20 08:34:48.0 login to vote score 1
    flashlv: Reasonable cause is always in self defense laws. Now all we need is a way to read Zimmermans mind and see if he in fact did not fear for his life.

    If he feared for his life, the law allows him to use deadly force.

    What should he be charged with? There has to be no reasonable doubt for him to be charged with a crime.


    FOR FUCKS SAKE!!!

    You don't have to read his mind.

    You can read the transcripts from his mother fucking call to police.

    Man you are thick headed.

    "These a**holes always get away," Zimmerman says in a call to a non-emergency number.

    Dispatcher: "Are you following him?"

    Zimmerman: "Yeah."

    Dispatcher: "We don't need you to do that."
    swingingjohnson 175 2012-03-20 08:35:47.0 login to vote score 1
    And now I must leave this thread and shout out loud SERENITY NOW! and go punch my pillow.
    flashlv 1657 2012-03-20 08:36:45.0 login to vote score 0
    surfnazi: Only a complete fucking moron would consider "following someone" to be standing their ground.

    Seriously? Think for once.

    Say this was just a random guy that happened to be going the same way, does it give the kid the right to confront just because he thought he was being followed? Does it throw the law out the window?

    It doesn't change the fact that following someone doesn't nullify the law. Why do you want him to be arrested for doing what the law allowed him to do?
    surfnazi 932 2012-03-20 08:37:01.0 login to vote score 0
    flashlv: Seriously? Think for once.

    Say this was just a random guy that happened to be going the same way, does it give the kid the right to confront just because he thought he was being followed? Does it throw the law out the window?

    It doesn't change the fact that following someone doesn't nullify the law. Why do you want him to be arrested for doing what the law allowed him to do?


    http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0776/Sections/0776.013.html
    surfnazi 932 2012-03-20 08:37:23.0 login to vote score 2
    woops, wrong one.


    flashlv: Seriously? Think for once.

    Say this was just a random guy that happened to be going the same way, does it give the kid the right to confront just because he thought he was being followed? Does it throw the law out the window?

    It doesn't change the fact that following someone doesn't nullify the law. Why do you want him to be arrested for doing what the law allowed him to do?


    784.048 Stalking; definitions; penalties.—
    (1) As used in this section, the term:
    (a) “Harass” means to engage in a course of conduct directed at a specific person that causes substantial emotional distress in such person and serves no legitimate purpose.

    Dispatcher: "We don't need you to do that."
    toybox 1085 2012-03-20 08:37:25.0 login to vote score 1



    swingingjohnson: FOR FUCKS SAKE!!!

    You don't have to read his mind.

    You can read the transcripts from his mother fucking call to police.

    Man you are thick headed.

    "These a**holes always get away," Zimmerman says in a call to a non-emergency number.

    Dispatcher: "Are you following him?"

    Zimmerman: "Yeah."

    Dispatcher: "We don't need you to do that."


    Flash is outraged, so he's just throwing the law out the window.

    /I've heard that somewhere before
    flashlv 1657 2012-03-20 08:37:34.0 login to vote score 0
    surfnazi: 784.048 Stalking; definitions; penalties.—
    (1) As used in this section, the term:
    (a) “Harass” means to engage in a course of conduct directed at a specific person that causes substantial emotional distress in such person and serves no legitimate purpose.

    Dispatcher: "We don't need you to do that."


    now you are stretching, if he in fact was stalking him, arrest him for stalking.
    flashlv 1657 2012-03-20 08:39:01.0 login to vote score 0
    osirisothedead: If he feared for his life, he wouldn't have followed the kid and confronted him. So there goes that argument.

    This is why I think you are just trolling me, you say he confronted the kid with no proof and you say that I'm wrong by saying the kid confronted him.

    Seriously they only people threateing me and being jeks in this thread are you guys. The ones that want to throw the law out the window.
    surfnazi 932 2012-03-20 08:39:31.0 login to vote score 1
    flashlv: now you are stretching, if he in fact was stalking him, arrest him for stalking.

    Treyvon lost him more than once.
    flashlv 1657 2012-03-20 08:39:38.0 login to vote score 0
    surfnazi: woops, wrong one.




    784.048 Stalking; definitions; penalties.—
    (1) As used in this section, the term:
    (a) “Harass” means to engage in a course of conduct directed at a specific person that causes substantial emotional distress in such person and serves no legitimate purpose.

    Dispatcher: "We don't need you to do that."


    Also, the dispatcher has no legal right to tell him not to do something.
    flashlv 1657 2012-03-20 08:39:50.0 login to vote score 0
    surfnazi: Treyvon lost him more than once.

    Source?
    surfnazi 932 2012-03-20 08:40:11.0 login to vote score 0
    flashlv: Also, the dispatcher has no legal right to tell him not to do something.

    The dispatcher didn't tell him not to do anything. The dispatcher made him aware that it was not necessary.
    surfnazi 932 2012-03-20 08:40:43.0 login to vote score 0
    flashlv: Source?

    The source is you will die a sad, lonely death. Hopefully it will be painful.
    osirisothedead 1858 2012-03-20 08:40:50.0 login to vote score 0
    flashlv: Also, the dispatcher has no legal right to tell him not to do something.

    That doesn't change the definition of the law and is totally irrelevant.
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-03-20 08:41:18.0 login to vote score 1
    The more I hear about this story, the angrier I get.

    Have you heard the tape of the 911 call where you hear a scream and then a gunshot?

    Nauseating.
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