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Well everything DOES require energy.
What a scumbag. Pandering to the sun and shit.
I'm a long term thinker. This is why I love Solar, so good on this. How anyone can dislike an investment that will pay off in a scant decade is beyond me.
But debt is not the way to finance this, because then it doesn't payoff. You're buying your energy from the bank instead of the oil company.
But debt is not the way to finance this, because then it doesn't payoff. You're buying your energy from the bank instead of the oil company.
so vote republican: I'm a long term thinker. This is why I love Solar, so good on this. How anyone can dislike an investment that will pay off in a scant decade is beyond me.
But debt is not the way to finance this, because then it doesn't payoff. You're buying your energy from the bank instead of the oil company.
I am hard pressed to decide which of those I dislike more. \=
But debt is not the way to finance this, because then it doesn't payoff. You're buying your energy from the bank instead of the oil company.
I am hard pressed to decide which of those I dislike more. \=
cmbyrd: I am hard pressed to decide which of those I dislike more. =
It is a good question. It's actually coal companies for electricity.
My distrust of banks is larger than my distrust of energy producers, but not by large amounts.
Shall I pass on crushing debt or a destroyed planet to my children?
It is a good question. It's actually coal companies for electricity.
My distrust of banks is larger than my distrust of energy producers, but not by large amounts.
Shall I pass on crushing debt or a destroyed planet to my children?
so vote republican:
Shall I pass on crushing debt or a destroyed planet to my children?
well, as much as our elected officials talk out of one side of their mouth saying we need to control spending etc, they certainly aren't saying/doing anything out the other side to actually solve the problems
Shall I pass on crushing debt or a destroyed planet to my children?
well, as much as our elected officials talk out of one side of their mouth saying we need to control spending etc, they certainly aren't saying/doing anything out the other side to actually solve the problems
baron muchhumpin: well, as much as our elected officials talk out of one side of their mouth saying we need to control spending etc, they certainly aren't saying/doing anything out the other side to actually solve the problems
Deciding is ever so difficult. I shall expand my war in the Mideast and give them both!
Deciding is ever so difficult. I shall expand my war in the Mideast and give them both!
He gambled on solar and was anti-fossil fuel for three years. He really had no energy policy beyond "green energy"
He failed on both getting any actual energy and even more at getting any jobs out of it at tremendous cost to taxpayers. Now he is stuck and this new "all of the above" stance is supposed make up for the failed energy policy he had for years?
Idiot.
He failed on both getting any actual energy and even more at getting any jobs out of it at tremendous cost to taxpayers. Now he is stuck and this new "all of the above" stance is supposed make up for the failed energy policy he had for years?
Idiot.
the sonic dildo: He gambled on solar and was anti-fossil fuel for three years. He really had no energy policy beyond "green energy"
He failed on both getting any actual energy and even more at getting any jobs out of it at tremendous cost to taxpayers. Now he is stuck and this new "all of the above" stance is supposed make up for the failed energy policy he had for years?
Idiot.
the only idiots are the ones that denounce trying to advance technology
In 10 years we'll be ready for greener energy solutions - in phil's world we'd just be getting started
He failed on both getting any actual energy and even more at getting any jobs out of it at tremendous cost to taxpayers. Now he is stuck and this new "all of the above" stance is supposed make up for the failed energy policy he had for years?
Idiot.
the only idiots are the ones that denounce trying to advance technology
In 10 years we'll be ready for greener energy solutions - in phil's world we'd just be getting started
so vote republican: I'm a long term thinker. This is why I love Solar, so good on this. How anyone can dislike an investment that will pay off in a scant decade is beyond me.
But debt is not the way to finance this, because then it doesn't payoff. You're buying your energy from the bank instead of the oil company.
As an investor who makes multi-million dollar deals every day, I don't have the time to wait ten years for an investment to pay off. I want this quarter's earnings to go up now, and I want double digit growth per quarter indefinitely, and I want a pony!
But debt is not the way to finance this, because then it doesn't payoff. You're buying your energy from the bank instead of the oil company.
As an investor who makes multi-million dollar deals every day, I don't have the time to wait ten years for an investment to pay off. I want this quarter's earnings to go up now, and I want double digit growth per quarter indefinitely, and I want a pony!
baron muchhumpin: the only idiots are the ones that denounce trying to advance technology
In 10 years we'll be ready for greener energy solutions - in phil's world we'd just be getting started
If we had listened to the environmentalists like Carter back in the 70s instead of scoffing at the idea of REDUCING our consumerism we'd be far better off now.
In 10 years we'll be ready for greener energy solutions - in phil's world we'd just be getting started
If we had listened to the environmentalists like Carter back in the 70s instead of scoffing at the idea of REDUCING our consumerism we'd be far better off now.
baron muchhumpin: the only idiots are the ones that denounce trying to advance technology
In 10 years we'll be ready for greener energy solutions - in phil's world we'd just be getting started
It is not the advancing of technology that failed, but rather the way it was executed under Obama. Investing and subsidizing technology research is one thing. Investing in crony capitalism with cash to businesses (that backed your campaign too) under the guise of "green jerbs' was a complete failure.
Anyway you slice it... Obama's energy policy sucked.
In 10 years we'll be ready for greener energy solutions - in phil's world we'd just be getting started
It is not the advancing of technology that failed, but rather the way it was executed under Obama. Investing and subsidizing technology research is one thing. Investing in crony capitalism with cash to businesses (that backed your campaign too) under the guise of "green jerbs' was a complete failure.
Anyway you slice it... Obama's energy policy sucked.
the sonic dildo:
Anyway you slice it... Obama's energy policy sucked.
so 1 bad thing ruins everything? i agree the way that deal was done and handled was stupid
Anyway you slice it... Obama's energy policy sucked.
so 1 bad thing ruins everything? i agree the way that deal was done and handled was stupid
baron muchhumpin: so 1 bad thing ruins everything? i agree the way that deal was done and handled was stupid
The crony capitalism is wrong. The jobs produced per dollar spent is a fiasco and it was poorly executed. Combined with the reduction in permits and a fiscal policy that has harmed the value of the dollar and poof.... shitty energy policy and a huge increase in fuel prices.
Also, there will more than just Solyndra in the failure list. Fisker Karma and Chevy Volt are all Green Jerbs bullshit. Solazyme (look up that crony capitalist mess)
Just wait till Romney starts....
The crony capitalism is wrong. The jobs produced per dollar spent is a fiasco and it was poorly executed. Combined with the reduction in permits and a fiscal policy that has harmed the value of the dollar and poof.... shitty energy policy and a huge increase in fuel prices.
Also, there will more than just Solyndra in the failure list. Fisker Karma and Chevy Volt are all Green Jerbs bullshit. Solazyme (look up that crony capitalist mess)
Just wait till Romney starts....
the sonic dildo:
Also, there will more than just Solyndra in the failure list. Fisker Karma and Chevy Volt are all Green Jerbs bullshit. Solazyme (look up that crony capitalist mess)
Just wait till Romney starts....
ya, i'm sure romney will wave the republican magicwand and solve all our problems
and how is OBama to blame for low sales of the Volt?
Also, there will more than just Solyndra in the failure list. Fisker Karma and Chevy Volt are all Green Jerbs bullshit. Solazyme (look up that crony capitalist mess)
Just wait till Romney starts....
ya, i'm sure romney will wave the republican magicwand and solve all our problems
and how is OBama to blame for low sales of the Volt?
baron muchhumpin: ya, i'm sure romney will wave the republican magicwand and solve all our problems
and how is OBama to blame for low sales of the Volt?
He is to blame for throwing money at it
and how is OBama to blame for low sales of the Volt?
He is to blame for throwing money at it
the sonic dildo: He is to blame for throwing money at it
he threw money at saving american manufacturing and the downstream businesses
stop pretending you don't know this
he threw money at saving american manufacturing and the downstream businesses
stop pretending you don't know this
baron muchhumpin: he threw money at saving american manufacturing and the downstream businesses
stop pretending you don't know this
It was nothing more than union jobs program hidden behind a green curtain.
stop pretending you don't know this
It was nothing more than union jobs program hidden behind a green curtain.
I assume you are complaining about Solyndra? They sure did have a bunch of cronies...they were so popular they had "cronies" in the Bush administration AND the Obama administration. Talk about reaching across the aisle.
I also wonder if the new tariff to offset years of Chinese protectionism for solar companies would have helped keep Solyndra in the black...
I also wonder if the new tariff to offset years of Chinese protectionism for solar companies would have helped keep Solyndra in the black...
fatsean: I assume you are complaining about Solyndra? They sure did have a bunch of cronies...they were so popular they had "cronies" in the Bush administration AND the Obama administration. Talk about reaching across the aisle.
I also wonder if the new tariff to offset years of Chinese protectionism for solar companies would have helped keep Solyndra in the black...
The Bush administration walked away from Solyndra and refused to fund them.
I also wonder if the new tariff to offset years of Chinese protectionism for solar companies would have helped keep Solyndra in the black...
The Bush administration walked away from Solyndra and refused to fund them.
baron muchhumpin: he threw money at saving american manufacturing and the downstream businesses
stop pretending you don't know this
If there were some other large manufacturing concerns left in the US that didn't use some union labor I am sure Obama would have bailed them out too ;)
Funny how off shoring and out sourcing has gone...
stop pretending you don't know this
If there were some other large manufacturing concerns left in the US that didn't use some union labor I am sure Obama would have bailed them out too ;)
Funny how off shoring and out sourcing has gone...
the sonic dildo: The Bush administration walked away from Solyndra and refused to fund them.
That's a complete lie. Fuck you for lying to my face.
That's a complete lie. Fuck you for lying to my face.
the sonic dildo: It was nothing more than union jobs program hidden behind a green curtain.
can you prove that?
or just more 'opinion'...
can you prove that?
or just more 'opinion'...
baron muchhumpin: can you prove that?
or just more 'opinion'...
It's all right there in the White Album, man. Just listen to the lyrics - the whole plan is laid out right there!
or just more 'opinion'...
It's all right there in the White Album, man. Just listen to the lyrics - the whole plan is laid out right there!
fatsean: That's a complete lie. Fuck you for lying to my face.
It is not a lie. You lie to yourself every day, you'd think you'd be able to recognize one once in while.
Hint: just because you don't want it to be true does not make it a lie.
It is not a lie. You lie to yourself every day, you'd think you'd be able to recognize one once in while.
Hint: just because you don't want it to be true does not make it a lie.
Baron, why do you even bother?
eddyatwork: If we had listened to the environmentalists like Carter back in the 70s instead of scoffing at the idea of REDUCING our consumerism we'd be far better off now.
In the 70s I was still playing legos.
In the 70s I was still playing legos.
baron muchhumpin: you literally cannot answer a question
He is actually correct. Obama's policies were profligate.
He is actually correct. Obama's policies were profligate.
so vote republican: He is actually correct. Obama's policies were profligate.
i'll give him a point for soladierria, but what else? That doesn't define Obama's ENTIRE energy policy, it's just 1 thing - like i said earlier
So, what has Obama done that has led to something horrible?
i'll give him a point for soladierria, but what else? That doesn't define Obama's ENTIRE energy policy, it's just 1 thing - like i said earlier
So, what has Obama done that has led to something horrible?
Rbaron muchhumpin: i'll give him a point for soladierria, but what else? That doesn't define Obama's ENTIRE energy policy, it's just 1 thing - like i said earlier
So, what has Obama done that has led to something horrible?
So, what has Obama done that has led to something horrible?
baron muchhumpin: i'll give him a point for soladierria, but what else? That doesn't define Obama's ENTIRE energy policy, it's just 1 thing - like i said earlier
So, what has Obama done that has led to something horrible?
There are other examples of failed ventures. Cant access them on my phone, but the point is we're broke.
So, what has Obama done that has led to something horrible?
There are other examples of failed ventures. Cant access them on my phone, but the point is we're broke.
baron muchhumpin: i'll give him a point for soladierria, but what else? That doesn't define Obama's ENTIRE energy policy, it's just 1 thing - like i said earlier
So, what has Obama done that has led to something horrible?
Obama had no energy policy.
Actual energy policies deal with reality such as pipelines.
Obama's No Energy Policy involves fantasy and pipe dreams.
So, what has Obama done that has led to something horrible?
Obama had no energy policy.
Actual energy policies deal with reality such as pipelines.
Obama's No Energy Policy involves fantasy and pipe dreams.
so vote republican: Obama's policies were profligate.
In a curious way, part of the genius of America has been a collective forgetfulness, a talent for somehow outdistancing problems in a headlong race toward something new. It is a form of heedlessness, perhaps, blithe and profligate, but also an exuberant forward spin that may spare people the exhausting obligations of revenge. —Lance Morrow
In a curious way, part of the genius of America has been a collective forgetfulness, a talent for somehow outdistancing problems in a headlong race toward something new. It is a form of heedlessness, perhaps, blithe and profligate, but also an exuberant forward spin that may spare people the exhausting obligations of revenge. —Lance Morrow
the sonic dildo: Obama had no energy policy.
Actual energy policies deal with reality such as pipelines.
Obama's No Energy Policy involves fantasy and pipe dreams.
wasn't it established that the "pipeline" wouldn't do anything for the price of oil in the US, but really just give us some jobs during construction?
kinda like saying Bush's energy policy was to let our economy almost destroy itself, thus causing a spike in oil, a massive loss of jobs, then people stopped driving allowing the consumption to relax thus bringing the price down
that's a sweet policy
Actual energy policies deal with reality such as pipelines.
Obama's No Energy Policy involves fantasy and pipe dreams.
wasn't it established that the "pipeline" wouldn't do anything for the price of oil in the US, but really just give us some jobs during construction?
kinda like saying Bush's energy policy was to let our economy almost destroy itself, thus causing a spike in oil, a massive loss of jobs, then people stopped driving allowing the consumption to relax thus bringing the price down
that's a sweet policy
so vote republican: In the 70s I was still playing legos.
In the 70s I was fascinated with wind and solar power. I had read the Harvard Business School's report, Energy Future.
I went from a naive "Free energy" kid to a "Let's check this out" adolescent. Around me there were gas lines, Nixon's new EPA, the ecology movement, and Three Mile Island.
My first semester of college included a cross-discipline class called "Energy resources for the future."
Jus think what we could have done if we pushed on this stuff hard 30 years ago!
In the 70s I was fascinated with wind and solar power. I had read the Harvard Business School's report, Energy Future.
I went from a naive "Free energy" kid to a "Let's check this out" adolescent. Around me there were gas lines, Nixon's new EPA, the ecology movement, and Three Mile Island.
My first semester of college included a cross-discipline class called "Energy resources for the future."
Jus think what we could have done if we pushed on this stuff hard 30 years ago!
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Jus think what we could have done if we pushed on this stuff hard 30 years ago!
omg you you.. YOU... progressive LIBBYY!!!!!
if you've learned anything from phil it's you ignore reality and then when you need advanced technology the republicans wave a magic wand and you have it!
Jus think what we could have done if we pushed on this stuff hard 30 years ago!
omg you you.. YOU... progressive LIBBYY!!!!!
if you've learned anything from phil it's you ignore reality and then when you need advanced technology the republicans wave a magic wand and you have it!
baron muchhumpin: omg you you.. YOU... progressive LIBBYY!!!!!
Math and engineering are liberal conspiracies!
Math and engineering are liberal conspiracies!
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just like those fancy facts and data thingies..
always gettin' in the way of superficial talking points
just like those fancy facts and data thingies..
always gettin' in the way of superficial talking points
intentionally left blank: In the 70s I was fascinated with wind and solar power. I had read the Harvard Business School's report, Energy Future.
I went from a naive "Free energy" kid to a "Let's check this out" adolescent. Around me there were gas lines, Nixon's new EPA, the ecology movement, and Three Mile Island.
My first semester of college included a cross-discipline class called "Energy resources for the future."
Jus think what we could have done if we pushed on this stuff hard 30 years ago!
Amusing story about the same type of thing. I was in 5th grade and the teacher told us to come up with an invention. I came up with a solar powered sidewalk because even back then I was a lazyass. He shook my hand and congratulated me for thinking of that. It was probably the late 70s. Even then I thought why not use the sunlight since it's free and doesn't smell bad. My reasons are still essentially the same 30+ years later.
I went from a naive "Free energy" kid to a "Let's check this out" adolescent. Around me there were gas lines, Nixon's new EPA, the ecology movement, and Three Mile Island.
My first semester of college included a cross-discipline class called "Energy resources for the future."
Jus think what we could have done if we pushed on this stuff hard 30 years ago!
Amusing story about the same type of thing. I was in 5th grade and the teacher told us to come up with an invention. I came up with a solar powered sidewalk because even back then I was a lazyass. He shook my hand and congratulated me for thinking of that. It was probably the late 70s. Even then I thought why not use the sunlight since it's free and doesn't smell bad. My reasons are still essentially the same 30+ years later.
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No they aren't! The conservatives are always saying they are the only useful majors and anything in LIBeral arts is a waste of time and the people who take those should starve.
No they aren't! The conservatives are always saying they are the only useful majors and anything in LIBeral arts is a waste of time and the people who take those should starve.
Jimmy Carter was right about our energy policy.
I am tonight setting a clear goal for the energy policy of the United States. Beginning this moment, this nation will never use more foreign oil than we did in 1977 -- never. From now on, every new addition to our demand for energy will be met from our own production and our own conservation…
I will soon submit legislation to Congress calling for the creation of this nation's first solar bank, which will help us achieve the crucial goal of 20% of our energy coming from solar power by the year 2000…
To give us energy security, I am asking for the most massive peacetime commitment of funds and resources in our nation's history to develop America's own alternative sources of fuel -- from coal, from oil shale, from plant products for gasohol, from unconventional gas, from the sun…
Sounds good - he even installed Solar panels on the WH, what a progressive!! Thank god the WH is green!!!
Oh...
Didn't happen. Carter was out after one term. Reagan brought back the good old days. He took down those stupid solar panels on the White House roof.
I will soon submit legislation to Congress calling for the creation of this nation's first solar bank, which will help us achieve the crucial goal of 20% of our energy coming from solar power by the year 2000…
To give us energy security, I am asking for the most massive peacetime commitment of funds and resources in our nation's history to develop America's own alternative sources of fuel -- from coal, from oil shale, from plant products for gasohol, from unconventional gas, from the sun…
Sounds good - he even installed Solar panels on the WH, what a progressive!! Thank god the WH is green!!!
Oh...
Didn't happen. Carter was out after one term. Reagan brought back the good old days. He took down those stupid solar panels on the White House roof.
baron muchhumpin: I am tonight setting a clear goal for the energy policy of the United States. Beginning this moment, this nation will never use more foreign oil than we did in 1977 -- never. From now on, every new addition to our demand for energy will be met from our own production and our own conservation…
I will soon submit legislation to Congress calling for the creation of this nation's first solar bank, which will help us achieve the crucial goal of 20% of our energy coming from solar power by the year 2000…
To give us energy security, I am asking for the most massive peacetime commitment of funds and resources in our nation's history to develop America's own alternative sources of fuel -- from coal, from oil shale, from plant products for gasohol, from unconventional gas, from the sun…
Sounds good - he even installed Solar panels on the WH, what a progressive!! Thank god the WH is green!!!
Oh...
Didn't happen. Carter was out after one term. Reagan brought back the good old days. He took down those stupid solar panels on the White House roof.
I remember that. I wasn't old enough to vote yet, but I don't know which weenie I would have gone with.
I will soon submit legislation to Congress calling for the creation of this nation's first solar bank, which will help us achieve the crucial goal of 20% of our energy coming from solar power by the year 2000…
To give us energy security, I am asking for the most massive peacetime commitment of funds and resources in our nation's history to develop America's own alternative sources of fuel -- from coal, from oil shale, from plant products for gasohol, from unconventional gas, from the sun…
Sounds good - he even installed Solar panels on the WH, what a progressive!! Thank god the WH is green!!!
Oh...
Didn't happen. Carter was out after one term. Reagan brought back the good old days. He took down those stupid solar panels on the White House roof.
I remember that. I wasn't old enough to vote yet, but I don't know which weenie I would have gone with.
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