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    spongegirl circleskirt 382 2012-04-22 14:22:52.0 login to vote score 0

    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-04-22 14:24:07.0 login to vote score -1
    baron muchhumpin: well gee wiz phildo, where can i get honest data then? Where would YOU go? please give us a comprehensive list so we'll all have the same info as you


    You need to know the margin of error there and essentially they are neck an neck in many areas.

    At this point Obama should be ahead by much larger margins.
    kang 636 2012-04-22 14:25:14.0 login to vote score 0
    tatsuma: According to a poll from two weeks ago, 38% of Democrats want the individual mandate part struck down, and 12% of Democrats wants Obamacare to be repealed fullstop.

    So that means that half of Democrats want either part of Obamacare or all of it repealed.


    The 12 is a part of the 38 and if they understood the least little bit about the issue, they'd know the you might as well repeal it fullstop if you get rid of the individual mandate.

    But the most voters on both sides are fairly ignorant about most things...
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-04-22 14:26:39.0 login to vote score -1
    tatsuma: According to a poll from two weeks ago, 38% of Democrats want the individual mandate part struck down, and 12% of Democrats wants Obamacare to be repealed fullstop.

    So that means that half of Democrats want either part of Obamacare or all of it repealed.


    Considering 100% of Democrats passed it, I'd say that is significant.


    Even Obama himself wants it gone, he told the Supreme Court that it would not work without the mandate. If the mandate gets struck the whole law does not work according to Obama himself.

    It is almost like he wants it gone too.
    tatsuma 2408 2012-04-22 14:27:01.0 login to vote score 0
    kang: The 12 is a part of the 38 and if they understood the least little bit about the issue, they'd know the you might as well repeal it fullstop if you get rid of the individual mandate.

    But the most voters on both sides are fairly ignorant about most things...


    no its not. The 38% want only individual mandates to be struck down, while the 12% want all of it struck down.
    kang 636 2012-04-22 14:29:36.0 login to vote score 0
    tatsuma: no its not. The 38% want only individual mandates to be struck down, while the 12% want all of it struck down.

    Well regardless, the 38 obviously don't realize that repealing the mandate invalidates most of the parts that they do like, from the insurance industry perspective.
    tatsuma 2408 2012-04-22 14:30:36.0 login to vote score 0
    kang: Well regardless, the 38 obviously don't realize that repealing the mandate invalidates most of the parts that they do like, from the insurance industry perspective.

    Whether they realize it or not, half of the Democrats' base wants part or all of Obamacare repealed

    that's pretty grim.
    burntman 1528 2012-04-22 14:33:55.0 login to vote score 0
    the sonic dildo: He has successfully continued the "Bush Doctrine" in many respects even.

    again, that also not a point you're going to find many disagreeing with.
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-04-22 14:34:19.0 login to vote score -1
    tatsuma: Whether they realize it or not, half of the Democrats' base wants part or all of Obamacare repealed

    that's pretty grim.



    It has defined the Democrats.

    If it is repealed then they wasted two years and ignored the economy for it.

    If it is not repealed then the GOP has a shit ton more ammo in the campaign.

    Either way it is lose lose for them. The Democrats who are retiring are coming out saying it was a mistake.
    baron muchhumpin 4248 2012-04-22 14:34:55.0 login to vote score 0
    the sonic dildo: You need to know the margin of error there and essentially they are neck an neck in many areas.

    At this point Obama should be ahead by much larger margins.


    as was proved to you yesterday, in 2008 Mccain and Obama were neck and neck at this point

    your logic is flawed
    baron muchhumpin 4248 2012-04-22 14:35:40.0 login to vote score 0
    the sonic dildo:
    If it is not repealed then the GOP has a shit ton more ammo in the campaign.

    Either way it is lose lose for them. The Democrats who are retiring are coming out saying it was a mistake.


    except for that whole romneycare thing.. which i'm sure won't be a giant target on romney's back

    baron muchhumpin 4248 2012-04-22 14:36:17.0 login to vote score 0
    spongegirl circleskirt:

    holy shit, flash like logic detected

    vet_curm 1500 2012-04-22 14:37:10.0 login to vote score 0
    grahams: I feel like I should have one, but I'm not even sure I could use a slide rule at this point :/. Just not a skill that I have a lot of call for.

    I learned it about 5th or 6th grade. (at least the elementary functions).

    I was lazy (aren't all engineers? brain power instead of muscle power) and it was much easier to multiply/divide, calculate roots and inverses and the like on the slide rule instead of using a pencil and paper. I only had one teacher who insisted it had to be done on paper (taking square roots) and I promptly forgot how to do that when that class/year was finished.

    Except for specialized rules (like on Apollo and flight navigators used) my slide rule was pretty much where the state of the art was when scientific calculators came in and completely displaced them.

    That Versalog I got at college has 24 scales, of which I learned to use about half of.
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-04-22 14:37:51.0 login to vote score -1
    baron muchhumpin: except for that whole romneycare thing.. which i'm sure won't be a giant target on romney's back


    Except that RomneyCare is different than ObamaCare.


    baron muchhumpin 4248 2012-04-22 14:38:54.0 login to vote score 0
    the sonic dildo: Except that RomneyCare is different than ObamaCare.

    sure.. you had a nice infographic to explain it..

    you know damn well romney is going to get pummeled on it

    tatsuma 2408 2012-04-22 14:39:06.0 login to vote score 1
    baron muchhumpin: except for that whole romneycare thing.. which i'm sure won't be a giant target on romney's back

    And why would it be? Republicans are going to vote for Romney because, well, better Romney than 4 more years of Obama.

    And Obama cannot exactly attack Romney for Romneycare either without damaging himself in the process.

    In the Romneycare versus Obamacare fight, there is no way Obama can win this one




    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-04-22 14:42:31.0 login to vote score -1
    baron muchhumpin: as was proved to you yesterday, in 2008 Mccain and Obama were neck and neck at this point

    your logic is flawed



    You are failing to notice one key aspect, and I am not surprised, because even Obama is running his '12 campaign like his '08 campaign.

    What is it that is different this time? Obama is THE INCUMBENT this time. He has a record he can't defend. Normally most incumbents have a record of success to sit back on, but not this guy. He has to attack his challenger as a man who eats babies with a silver spoon.

    (I do love how the Obama campaign tried to walk back the Silver Spoon comment too.)
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-04-22 14:44:45.0 login to vote score -1
    baron muchhumpin: sure.. you had a nice infographic to explain it..

    you know damn well romney is going to get pummeled on it



    Im pretty confident that Romney will be able to defend RomenyCare far better than Obama can defend ObamaCare.


    I doubt Obama even understands his own legislation. He could never even sell it anyway. Every time he spoke about it, less people wanted it.
    vliam 1096 2012-04-22 14:47:34.0 login to vote score 1
    kang: America deserves Romney...

    That's what I said about 200 posts ago.

    I'm a big fan of learning by doing shit wrong. It's probably a good thing that I don't have kids. It's unlikely that they would have lived anyhow.
    baron muchhumpin 4248 2012-04-22 14:48:12.0 login to vote score 0
    the sonic dildo:
    I doubt Obama even understands his own legislation. He could never even sell it anyway. Every time he spoke about it, less people wanted it.


    luckily your opinion on things like this means absolutely nothing

    I'll also stick with my proven algorithm of life

    Someone like you = 100% republican, 100% anti DEM

    if you say something is not an issue (war on women, gays social issues), then it is a HUGE issue in the race, that favors Obama

    That means more INDs will swing to the DEM side, leaving Romney only the core repub voting block, which won't be nearly enough to win
    baron muchhumpin 4248 2012-04-22 14:49:20.0 login to vote score 0
    tatsuma: And why would it be? Republicans are going to vote for Romney because, well, better Romney than 4 more years of Obama.

    And Obama cannot exactly attack Romney for Romneycare either without damaging himself in the process.

    In the Romneycare versus Obamacare fight, there is no way Obama can win this one


    it's not about attacking romneycare, it's about positioning romney as someone who supported this idea while GOV and now doesn't, yet another flip flop
    tatsuma 2408 2012-04-22 14:50:27.0 login to vote score 0
    baron muchhumpin: it's not about attacking romneycare, it's about positioning romney as someone who supported this idea while GOV and now doesn't, yet another flip flop

    Romney never repudiated Romneycare.


    Again, harping on Romneycare is only gonna hurt Obama.
    baron muchhumpin 4248 2012-04-22 14:51:15.0 login to vote score 0
    tatsuma: Romney never repudiated Romneycare.
    Again, harping on Romneycare is only gonna hurt Obama.


    i disagree. I guess we'll have this discussion again in Nov to see how it played out

    kang 636 2012-04-22 14:52:27.0 login to vote score 0
    vliam: That's what I said about 200 posts ago.

    I'm a big fan of learning by doing shit wrong. It's probably a good thing that I don't have kids. It's unlikely that they would have lived anyhow.


    Yeah, it's kinda depressing how misinformed people are. You'd a thought that the internets would have helped there but if anything it seems to be making things worse...
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-04-22 14:54:54.0 login to vote score -1
    baron muchhumpin: Someone like you = 100% republican, 100% anti DEM


    Not true. There are many things I hate about the GOP and there are somethings I like about the Dems. But they way they have acted the last 20 years... forget it.


    baron muchhumpin: if you say something is not an issue (war on women, gays social issues), then it is a HUGE issue in the race, that favors Obama


    But the "war on women" does not exist, except that the Dems are pushing it. Gay marriage is really not a crucial issue now either.

    The majority of people are concerned about the economy.


    baron muchhumpin: That means more INDs will swing to the DEM side, leaving Romney only the core repub voting block, which won't be nearly enough to win


    Independents will decide the election, if they think the free BCPs and gay marriage are more important than their jobs, family welfare and bank accounts then yes, Obama will win.

    I don't think that America is that dumb though.
    quinblake 1476 2012-04-22 14:55:28.0 login to vote score 1
    tatsuma: i cannot wait for this election to be over

    There'll just be another one starting up less than 3 years after it's over. American politics are rather flamboyant and a little unreal.
    baron muchhumpin 4248 2012-04-22 14:55:43.0 login to vote score 1
    the sonic dildo:
    I don't think that America is that dumb though.


    LOL - we elected bush twice...
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-04-22 14:56:51.0 login to vote score -1
    baron muchhumpin: i disagree. I guess we'll have this discussion again in Nov to see how it played out


    tats is completely right. Romney has not disavowed RomneyCare.

    baron muchhumpin 4248 2012-04-22 14:57:17.0 login to vote score 1
    quinblake: There'll just be another one starting up less than 3 years after it's over. American politics are rather flamboyant and a little unreal.

    sadly it's every 2 years so it really never ends. gridlock, lameduck sessions, endless bullshit while the country sinks lower into the shitpile


    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-04-22 14:57:55.0 login to vote score -1
    baron muchhumpin: LOL - we elected bush twice...


    Over Algore and John Kerry. Two terrible candidates
    baron muchhumpin 4248 2012-04-22 14:58:18.0 login to vote score 0
    the sonic dildo: tats is completely right. Romney has not disavowed RomneyCare.

    and i never said he did. I said you paint him as someone who supported this idea of everyone is covered, and now he's against ACA - thus flip flopping


    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-04-22 14:58:27.0 login to vote score -1
    quinblake: There'll just be another one starting up less than 3 years after it's over. American politics are rather flamboyant and a little unreal.


    It is almost a sport.


    baron muchhumpin 4248 2012-04-22 14:58:30.0 login to vote score 0
    the sonic dildo: Over Algore and John Kerry. Two terrible candidates

    point still stands

    kang 636 2012-04-22 14:58:58.0 login to vote score 0
    the sonic dildo: Over Algore and John Kerry. Two terrible candidates

    I'll give you the first one but the second one I'll never, ever forgive....

    :P
    baron muchhumpin 4248 2012-04-22 14:59:04.0 login to vote score 0
    the sonic dildo: It is almost a sport.

    and no one ever wins
    tatsuma 2408 2012-04-22 14:59:35.0 login to vote score 1
    quinblake: There'll just be another one starting up less than 3 years after it's over. American politics are rather flamboyant and a little unreal.

    Trust me, politics in Israel is just as bad.


    vliam 1096 2012-04-22 14:59:37.0 login to vote score 1
    kang: Yeah, it's kinda depressing how misinformed people are. You'd a thought that the internets would have helped there but if anything it seems to be making things worse...

    It only helps morons find other morons that hold similar views so they can band together in their cocoon of perfect ignorance.
    baron muchhumpin 4248 2012-04-22 14:59:44.0 login to vote score 0
    kang: I'll give you the first one but the second one I'll never, ever forgive....
    :P


    if Kerry was popping 5-hour energy drinks or showed any personalty it might have played out differently
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-04-22 15:00:04.0 login to vote score -1
    baron muchhumpin: and i never said he did. I said you paint him as someone who supported this idea of everyone is covered, and now he's against ACA - thus flip flopping


    There is more to ObamaCare than just a mandate. It is an authoritarian mess.


    I do love it when you try to call it ACA too. That is cute.

    [pinches your cheek]
    baron muchhumpin 4248 2012-04-22 15:00:44.0 login to vote score 0
    the sonic dildo: There is more to ObamaCare than just a mandate. It is an authoritarian mess.
    I do love it when you try to call it ACA too. That is cute.
    [pinches your cheek]


    I do love that you call it Obamacare like your Fox news talking points memo directs you to

    drone

    kang 636 2012-04-22 15:00:49.0 login to vote score 0
    baron muchhumpin: if Kerry was popping 5-hour energy drinks or showed any personalty it might have played out differently

    Two fucking wars dude. Also, Tora Bora
    baron muchhumpin 4248 2012-04-22 15:01:26.0 login to vote score 0
    kang: Two fucking wars dude. Also, Tora Bora

    don't have to sell him to me, i live in MA

    quinblake 1476 2012-04-22 15:01:56.0 login to vote score 0
    tatsuma: Trust me, politics in Israel is just as bad.

    Politics aren't too bad here in Canada, the elections are much more reserved and the parties elect their own leader.
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-04-22 15:02:21.0 login to vote score -1
    baron muchhumpin: if Kerry was popping 5-hour energy drinks or showed any personalty it might have played out differently

    A hyper-douche is still a douche.

    Kerry would have been awful. He is just a huge doosh.


    "I have a plan."

    Love that.


    His tax dodge on the yacht was nice too.
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-04-22 15:03:23.0 login to vote score 0
    quinblake: Politics aren't too bad here in Canada, the elections are much more reserved and the parties elect their own leader.


    The people have less power in Canadia.
    quinblake 1476 2012-04-22 15:04:12.0 login to vote score -1
    the sonic dildo: The people have less power in Canadia.

    Why are you responding to me you fucking troll.
    baron muchhumpin 4248 2012-04-22 15:04:31.0 login to vote score 0
    the sonic dildo: A hyper-douche is still a douche.
    Kerry would have been awful. He is just a huge doosh.
    "I have a plan."
    Love that.
    His tax dodge on the yacht was nice too.


    I love that your post structure is identical to "how fox news plants a story"

    create talking point "call kerry a douche", reference previous talking point and cite it as fact, pile on more opinion now that you've cited a 'source'

    kang 636 2012-04-22 15:11:04.0 login to vote score 0
    the sonic dildo: His tax dodge on the yacht was nice too.

    Well, he didn't start two wars or let the guy go who we supposedly started those wars to get. So, he did have that going for him...
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-04-22 15:13:01.0 login to vote score -1
    quinblake: Why are you responding to me you fucking troll.


    Get out of the thread then you grudge holding bitch. WTF is your problem?

    You are more than welcome to post in a thread that has only to do with America, even though you live in Canada. You are more than welcome to post your anecdotal evidence of the differences between the two countries.

    I was not even rude to you in this thread either. Shit, I pretty much start out every thread as a clean slate and a chance for you to grow up and act nice. Unfortunately , you are too intolerant and just too nasty to get over what ever the fuck is wrong with you.
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-04-22 15:13:51.0 login to vote score -1
    kang: Well, he didn't start two wars or let the guy go who we supposedly started those wars to get. So, he did have that going for him...


    Who let him go? Clinton did.
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-04-22 15:14:54.0 login to vote score -1
    Cool from spongegirl circleskirt

    Gotta say spongie... that surprised me.
    baron muchhumpin 4248 2012-04-22 15:15:14.0 login to vote score 0
    the sonic dildo: Who let him go? Clinton did.

    DEFLECTION!

    you are so preDICKtable

    vliam 1096 2012-04-22 15:15:34.0 login to vote score 0
    the sonic dildo: The people have less power in Canadia.

    because they're divided into more than two camps.

    kang 636 2012-04-22 15:15:51.0 login to vote score 0
    the sonic dildo: Who let him go? Clinton did.

    There were more reporters at Tora Bora than regular Army type dudes. The CIA dude on scene was begging for the cavalry but apparently they were too "busy" getting ready to invade Iraq.

    Can't invade Iraq if you've already gotten your bad guy now can you?
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-04-22 15:17:22.0 login to vote score -1
    baron muchhumpin: DEFLECTION!

    you are so preDICKtable



    WTF are you talking about? Deflecting from what? You have a very tenuous grasp on what words mean.
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-04-22 15:18:08.0 login to vote score -1
    kang: There were more reporters at Tora Bora than regular Army type dudes. The CIA dude on scene was begging for the cavalry but apparently they were too "busy" getting ready to invade Iraq.

    Can't invade Iraq if you've already gotten your bad guy now can you?



    LOL
    baron muchhumpin 4248 2012-04-22 15:18:26.0 login to vote score 0
    the sonic dildo: WTF are you talking about? Deflecting from what? You have a very tenuous grasp on what words mean.

    you're blaming clinton for not getting osama BEFORE 9/11 happened?

    always someone else's fault with you

    Clinton had a chance, yes

    Bush let 3000 americans get killed and didn't get him, which is worse?
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-04-22 15:22:00.0 login to vote score -1
    Uncool from spongegirl circleskirt


    Gotta say spongie that surprised me as well.


    You seem to be suffering from some type of blatant internal biased corruption. You support rudeness and are against retorts for that rudeness.


    Right or wrong... progressives have to stick up for one another. We know that well enough.
    so vote republican 6688 2012-04-22 15:23:24.0 login to vote score 0
    vet_curm: I learned it about 5th or 6th grade. (at least the elementary functions).

    I was lazy (aren't all engineers? brain power instead of muscle power) and it was much easier to multiply/divide, calculate roots and inverses and the like on the slide rule instead of using a pencil and paper. I only had one teacher who insisted it had to be done on paper (taking square roots) and I promptly forgot how to do that when that class/year was finished.

    Except for specialized rules (like on Apollo and flight navigators used) my slide rule was pretty much where the state of the art was when scientific calculators came in and completely displaced them.

    That Versalog I got at college has 24 scales, of which I learned to use about half of.


    You can't do square roots in your head?

    Wow. It's the cube roots that are hard.
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-04-22 15:24:07.0 login to vote score 0
    baron muchhumpin: you're blaming clinton for not getting osama BEFORE 9/11 happened?

    always someone else's fault with you

    Clinton had a chance, yes

    Bush let 3000 americans get killed and didn't get him, which is worse?



    First of all I am not responsible for 9/11

    Second, OBL had already killed many Americans was offered to Clinton. It was not a "chance". He was offered on a silver platter. He get's really mad when you bring it up to. He knows he fucked up.

    kang 636 2012-04-22 15:24:30.0 login to vote score 0
    the sonic dildo: LOL

    You laugh but it's true.
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-04-22 15:25:55.0 login to vote score -1
    kang: You laugh but it's true.


    You know this how though?
    elton jon benet 3546 2012-04-22 15:26:05.0 login to vote score 1
    the sonic dildo: First of all I am not responsible for 9/11

    Second, OBL had already killed many Americans was offered to Clinton. It was not a "chance". He was offered on a silver platter. He get's really mad when you bring it up to. He knows he fucked up.


    This true. Clinton let osama go when he could have stopped him.
    kang 636 2012-04-22 15:26:49.0 login to vote score 0
    the sonic dildo: You know this how though?

    Because I'm a fairly informed person. It's not really that hard which is why it baffles me why so many aren't.
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-04-22 15:27:31.0 login to vote score -1
    kang: Because I'm a fairly informed person. It's not really that hard which is why it baffles me why so many aren't.


    You know that they let Saddam go so they could invade Iraq anyway?
    kang 636 2012-04-22 15:27:40.0 login to vote score 0
    elton jon benet: This true. Clinton let osama go when he could have stopped him.

    Clinton was on his way to one of the Lewinsky hearings when the OBL chance came up. You do the math...
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-04-22 15:28:47.0 login to vote score -1
    kang: Clinton was on his way to one of the Lewinsky hearings when the OBL chance came up. You do the math...


    So 9/11 is all Ken Starr's fault now.
    elton jon benet 3546 2012-04-22 15:29:29.0 login to vote score 0
    kang: Clinton was on his way to one of the Lewinsky hearings when the OBL chance came up. You do the math...

    I didn't say a word about clinton or his morals, or lack thereof. He did fail to stop osama when he had the chance.
    kang 636 2012-04-22 15:30:52.0 login to vote score 0
    the sonic dildo: You know that they let Saddam go so they could invade Iraq anyway?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tora_Bora
    kang 636 2012-04-22 15:31:51.0 login to vote score 0
    elton jon benet: I didn't say a word about clinton or his morals, or lack thereof. He did fail to stop osama when he had the chance.

    No the math was that he was too involved politically with the Lewinsky scandal to take on the potential scandal of blowing up a Saudi prince to get Bin Laden.
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-04-22 15:33:43.0 login to vote score -1
    kang: No the math was that he was too involved politically with the Lewinsky scandal to take on the potential scandal of blowing up a Saudi prince to get Bin Laden.


    So it was Clinton's fault after all.

    Or is it the President's right to screw around with unpaid help?
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-04-22 15:34:21.0 login to vote score -1
    kang: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tora_Bora

    I'll check that out later... thanks
    vet_curm 1500 2012-04-22 15:35:47.0 login to vote score 0
    so vote republican: You can't do square roots in your head?

    Wow. It's the cube roots that are hard.


    No, like I said, I had a slide rule for that.

    All I had to do was things like memorize Pi out to 8 decimal places.

    (you gonna tell me you can do √π in yur head?)


    elton jon benet 3546 2012-04-22 15:38:34.0 login to vote score 0
    kang: No the math was that he was too involved politically with the Lewinsky scandal to take on the potential scandal of blowing up a Saudi prince to get Bin Laden.

    Then he wasn't doing his job, was he? Commander in Chief has meant something. Seemingly only in the distant past now.
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-04-22 15:42:08.0 login to vote score -1
    elton jon benet: Then he wasn't doing his job, was he? Commander in Chief has meant something. Seemingly only in the distant past now.


    The real issue with the Lewinsky scandal is how Clinton himself handled it. He essentially allowed the country to be paralyzed over his arrogance.
    kang 636 2012-04-22 15:42:13.0 login to vote score 0
    elton jon benet: Then he wasn't doing his job, was he? Commander in Chief has meant something. Seemingly only in the distant past now.

    Yeah, it was a stupid fucking move topped only by the stupid fucking move Congress made to impeach him for it. And, very likely, 9/11 hinged directly on it since Clinton really did have a hard-on to get Bin Laden and probably would have pushed the button if he'd had the political room to manage the fallout.
    vliam 1096 2012-04-22 15:42:35.0 login to vote score 0
    In the midst of that 1994 campaign, one of Romney's companies, American Pad & Paper, bought a plant in Marion, Indiana. At the time, it was prosperous enough to be running three shifts.

    Bain's first move was to fire all 258 workers, then invite them to reapply for their jobs at lower wages and a 50 percent cut in health-care benefits.

    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-04-22 15:46:18.0 login to vote score -1
    vliam: In the midst of that 1994 campaign, one of Romney's companies, American Pad & Paper, bought a plant in Marion, Indiana. At the time, it was prosperous enough to be running three shifts.

    Bain's first move was to fire all 258 workers, then invite them to reapply for their jobs at lower wages and a 50 percent cut in health-care benefits.



    You make it sound like this is odd.

    My local Ferrari dealer was just sold. First act of business was to fire everyone and then invite them to reapply for their jobs.

    Not everyone got rehired.

    But the Ferrari dealership must survive!

    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-04-22 15:47:11.0 login to vote score 0
    kang: Yeah, it was a stupid fucking move topped only by the stupid fucking move Congress made to impeach him for it.


    He deserved it. No man is bigger than the office, although he thought he was.
    kang 636 2012-04-22 15:47:37.0 login to vote score 0
    the sonic dildo: I'll check that out later... thanks

    If you don't know about Tora Bora then you really don't know anything about the basis for Gulf War II. I'm not sure I understand the full implications but certainly it calls into question much of the political call to war.
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-04-22 15:49:57.0 login to vote score -1
    kang: If you don't know about Tora Bora then you really don't know anything about the basis for Gulf War II. I'm not sure I understand the full implications but certainly it calls into question much of the political call to war.


    Well, Colin Powell was behind it, and that was good enough for me.
    kang 636 2012-04-22 15:53:57.0 login to vote score 0
    the sonic dildo: Well, Colin Powell was behind it, and that was good enough for me.

    You know why Colin had George Tenet in frame when he held up the vial of white powder before Congress?

    Because he didn't believe that Tenet was telling the truth about it but after repeated attempts couldn't get him to admit it was faulty intel and would only speak before Congress with Tenet specifically included in frame.
    so vote republican 6688 2012-04-22 15:56:24.0 login to vote score 1
    kang: Yeah, it was a stupid fucking move topped only by the stupid fucking move Congress made to impeach him for it. And, very likely, 9/11 hinged directly on it since Clinton really did have a hard-on to get Bin Laden and probably would have pushed the button if he'd had the political room to manage the fallout.

    Ken Starr did 9/11.
    kang 636 2012-04-22 15:57:15.0 login to vote score 0
    so vote republican: Ken Starr did 9/11.

    You can't blow up a Saudi prince while you're being impeached...
    vliam 1096 2012-04-22 16:02:19.0 login to vote score 1
    Romney purchased Armco with just $8 million down, borrowing the rest of the $75 million price tag. Then he issued bonds — basically IOUs — to borrow even more to pay himself and his investors $36 million.

    Within a year, he'd already made four times his initial investment while barely lifting a finger. But he'd also run up a staggering $378 million in debt on GSI's tab.

    It would take a few more years of bleeding, but GSI eventually fell to bankruptcy. The Kansas City mill closed for good; 750 people lost their jobs.

    Worse, Romney had shorted their pension fund by $44 million. The feds were forced to cover the difference, while workers saw benefits slashed in bankruptcy court.

    kang 636 2012-04-22 16:06:18.0 login to vote score 2
    vliam: Within a year, he'd already made four times his initial investment while barely lifting a finger. But he'd also run up a staggering $378 million in debt on GSI's tab.

    There was a Soprano's episode about how that works. I think it was called "Bust Out".

    Had no idea it could be done legally though...
    spongegirl circleskirt 382 2012-04-22 16:23:57.0 login to vote score 0
    Uncool from your mom

    Gotta say mom, that surprised me as well.

    You seem to be suffering from some type of blatant internal biased corruption. You support rudeness and are against retorts for that rudeness.

    Right or wrong... whroes have to stick up for one another. We know that well enough.
    vliam 1096 2012-04-22 16:28:22.0 login to vote score 1
    kang: There was a Soprano's episode about how that works. I think it was called "Bust Out".

    Had no idea it could be done legally though...


    It's so stupidly simple that it would probably never occur to most people that it's legal.

    Acquire a company in a soft market. Take out huge loans to build the company (and cover your salary and fees). Pilot the fucker right into the ground and walk away with millions.

    There's our genius business leader in a nutshell.

    baron muchhumpin 4248 2012-04-22 17:07:59.0 login to vote score 1
    vliam: It's so stupidly simple that it would probably never occur to most people that it's legal.
    Acquire a company in a soft market. Take out huge loans to build the company (and cover your salary and fees). Pilot the fucker right into the ground and walk away with millions.
    There's our genius business leader in a nutshell.


    wasn't that exactly what Gordon Gecko did in WS1?

    the bon_scott 1073 2012-04-22 17:13:57.0 login to vote score 1
    baron muchhumpin: wasn't that exactly what Gordon Gecko did in WS1?

    Yes, +1 for the good referrence.
    the bon_scott 1073 2012-04-22 17:16:24.0 login to vote score 1
    Btw, not every private capital firm operates like Bains, although I'm sure many libs believe that. Just like many conservatives believe that all libs want the 2nd amendment repealed and live off of the government.
    baron muchhumpin 4248 2012-04-22 17:18:36.0 login to vote score 0
    the bon_scott: Btw, not every private capital firm operates like Bains, although I'm sure many libs believe that. Just like many conservatives believe that all libs want the 2nd amendment repealed and live off of the government.

    Bain has some SWEET office space in Boston. I've gone to a few meetings there. John HanDcock tower.. nice on a summer day

    dividebyxero 9383 2012-04-22 17:35:34.0 login to vote score 1
    Well, this trainwreck has been hilarious to read. I suppose I could spend the afternoon going over every one of phail's posts and explaining point by point why they are both wrong and idiotic, but at this stage anyone who can't see though the flimsy as fuck rationalizations and justifications desperately needs a weekend retreat of electroshock. (capitalism is harsh, destroying productive long term enterprises and the livelyhood of thousands for some short term personal gain is what capitalism is all about, having done so is what makes Romney the most qualified to be president, LOL)


    I think instead I'll go watch two flies fuck, I'll have more fun.

    Bottom line, Romney is an unmitigated cocksmith, and phail is a waste of skin.

    That is all.
    sabine 745 2012-04-22 17:46:14.0 login to vote score 0
    so vote republican: It's the cube roots that are hard.

    Integral cube roots are surprisingly easy. All you have to do is: (a) memorize the cubes of all the numbers between 1 and 10, and (b) know that the last digit of n^3 is the last digit of n, except when n is 2, 3, 7, or 8 - in which case you invert it by subtracting the last digit from 10.

    Armed with just those two things, you can do integral cube roots in your head of anything up to a million. Mentally chop off the last three digits, and round down to the nearest cube you memorized in part (a), and that's your tens digit. Look at the last digit, subtract it from 10 if necessary according to part (b), and presto!
    so vote republican 6688 2012-04-22 18:20:57.0 login to vote score 0
    sabine: Integral cube roots are surprisingly easy. All you have to do is: (a) memorize the cubes of all the numbers between 1 and 10, and (b) know that the last digit of n^3 is the last digit of n, except when n is 2, 3, 7, or 8 - in which case you invert it by subtracting the last digit from 10.

    Armed with just those two things, you can do integral cube roots in your head of anything up to a million. Mentally chop off the last three digits, and round down to the nearest cube you memorized in part (a), and that's your tens digit. Look at the last digit, subtract it from 10 if necessary according to part (b), and presto!


    Well, you've now ruined my "shy potty-time urinal trick."

    Thanks a lot.]

    vliam 1096 2012-04-22 20:19:02.0 login to vote score 0
    baron muchhumpin: wasn't that exactly what Gordon Gecko did in WS1?

    Possibly. I don't recall.

    But, essentially, it's the same storyline used in The Producers.


    The fact that I'm even comparing the proposed "Leader of the Free World" with a character from a Mel Brooks' movie is goddamn frightening.
    vet_curm 1500 2012-04-28 06:50:47.0 login to vote score 0
    burntman: Found it, the lamprey eaten in Portugal is the sea lamprey, that's the parasitic one.

    Slimy and prehistoric? I'll have it cooked in blood

    And it looks like the US ones are also on the menu



    It seems that it's not just the Portuguese.

    Now everyone is waiting to see will HRH the Queen take a bite?

    (I'll pass on it, myself)
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