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Yup. Just wait until the automatic spending cuts kick in.
Lots of businesses that exist only to contract to the government may find themselves DOA.
You asked for it, you got it!
Lots of businesses that exist only to contract to the government may find themselves DOA.
You asked for it, you got it!
fatsean: Yup. Just wait until the automatic spending cuts kick in.
Lots of businesses that exist only to contract to the government may find themselves DOA.
You asked for it, you got it!
Growth is sometimes painful.
Lots of businesses that exist only to contract to the government may find themselves DOA.
You asked for it, you got it!
Growth is sometimes painful.
sloth: Growth is sometimes painful.
Well as long as we got each other, sharing the laughter and love.
Well as long as we got each other, sharing the laughter and love.
fatsean: This is actually the economy contracting, isn't it?
It's the job-market temporarily contracting. Could be very good for long-term growth, though.
It's the job-market temporarily contracting. Could be very good for long-term growth, though.
fatsean: This is actually the economy contracting, isn't it?
actually it's pretty funny.
Smaller tax revenues for the government means less distribution to the states, which in turn means less for cities and towns.
Starting at the bottom we start cutting services, police/fire/emt/elderly care etc, and those costs get passed on to the citizens
So as people preach "socialism is bad", we don't seem to mind taking things once covered by tax revenue and passing that cost onto the taxpayers themselves in the form of "fees"
just moving money from bucket to bucket, and we're always paying for it
actually it's pretty funny.
Smaller tax revenues for the government means less distribution to the states, which in turn means less for cities and towns.
Starting at the bottom we start cutting services, police/fire/emt/elderly care etc, and those costs get passed on to the citizens
So as people preach "socialism is bad", we don't seem to mind taking things once covered by tax revenue and passing that cost onto the taxpayers themselves in the form of "fees"
just moving money from bucket to bucket, and we're always paying for it
fatsean: Yup. Just wait until the automatic spending cuts kick in. Lots of businesses that exist only to contract to the government may find themselves DOA.You asked for it, you got it!
Good.
Everybody keeps trying to pretend the country isn't going broke, when it's already broke.
Good.
Everybody keeps trying to pretend the country isn't going broke, when it's already broke.
the bon_scott: Good.
Everybody keeps trying to pretend the country isn't going broke, when it's already broke.
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Everybody keeps trying to pretend the country isn't going broke, when it's already broke.
sloth: It's the job-market temporarily contracting. Could be very good for long-term growth, though.
I think it may be. I also think people are going to get a rude shock when significant cuts in Federal spending finally trickle down all over their lifestyles :) Like the Baron said...when the Federal funds start drying up, where will the shortfalls be made up? Local and state taxes and fees combine with even further reductions in service. Hope everyone is ready!
I think it may be. I also think people are going to get a rude shock when significant cuts in Federal spending finally trickle down all over their lifestyles :) Like the Baron said...when the Federal funds start drying up, where will the shortfalls be made up? Local and state taxes and fees combine with even further reductions in service. Hope everyone is ready!
the bon_scott: Good.
Everybody keeps trying to pretend the country isn't going broke, when it's already broke.
We need a few years of austerity. I think it would be good for the nation's character. We'll see what really happens when social services are curtailed and people start losing the assistance that keeps them fed and housed. Maybe charity will step up. It certainly wasn't able to keep up with increased demand during the dark days of the recession. Should be plenty of interesting and sad stories.
Everybody keeps trying to pretend the country isn't going broke, when it's already broke.
We need a few years of austerity. I think it would be good for the nation's character. We'll see what really happens when social services are curtailed and people start losing the assistance that keeps them fed and housed. Maybe charity will step up. It certainly wasn't able to keep up with increased demand during the dark days of the recession. Should be plenty of interesting and sad stories.
fatsean: We need a few years of austerity. I think it would be good for the nation's character. We'll see what really happens when social services are curtailed and people start losing the assistance that keeps them fed and housed. Maybe charity will step up. It certainly wasn't able to keep up with increased demand during the dark days of the recession. Should be plenty of interesting and sad stories.
People need to stop living on a fantasy island, taking a plethora of services (the country can't afford) for granted while demanding they shouldn't have to pay taxes to fund what they take for granted.
People need to stop living on a fantasy island, taking a plethora of services (the country can't afford) for granted while demanding they shouldn't have to pay taxes to fund what they take for granted.
baron muchhumpin: actually it's pretty funny.
Smaller tax revenues for the government means less distribution to the states, which in turn means less for cities and towns.
Starting at the bottom we start cutting services, police/fire/emt/elderly care etc, and those costs get passed on to the citizens
So as people preach "socialism is bad", we don't seem to mind taking things once covered by tax revenue and passing that cost onto the taxpayers themselves in the form of "fees"
just moving money from bucket to bucket, and we're always paying for it
Fed/state spending on higher ed hit its' lowest ebb in 2010. Guess who's paying?
Smaller tax revenues for the government means less distribution to the states, which in turn means less for cities and towns.
Starting at the bottom we start cutting services, police/fire/emt/elderly care etc, and those costs get passed on to the citizens
So as people preach "socialism is bad", we don't seem to mind taking things once covered by tax revenue and passing that cost onto the taxpayers themselves in the form of "fees"
just moving money from bucket to bucket, and we're always paying for it
Fed/state spending on higher ed hit its' lowest ebb in 2010. Guess who's paying?
the bon_scott: People need to stop living on a fantasy island, taking a plethora of services (the country can't afford) for granted while demanding they shouldn't have to pay taxes to fund what they take for granted.
My wife's sister and husband, sling their money around - their kids have every damn toy on TV and get pretty much anything they want - meanwhile, as soon as one of them gets a raise - they get a new car.
My wife and I don't have much savings, but we also don't dig ourselves into debt by getting our WANTS.
Sad thing, the others have already been in the dumps with finances and once they got their feet back under them - they're fucking doing it again!
My wife's sister and husband, sling their money around - their kids have every damn toy on TV and get pretty much anything they want - meanwhile, as soon as one of them gets a raise - they get a new car.
My wife and I don't have much savings, but we also don't dig ourselves into debt by getting our WANTS.
Sad thing, the others have already been in the dumps with finances and once they got their feet back under them - they're fucking doing it again!
chaos: My wife's sister and husband, sling their money around - their kids have every damn toy on TV and get pretty much anything they want - meanwhile, as soon as one of them gets a raise - they get a new car.My wife and I don't have much savings, but we also don't dig ourselves into debt by getting our WANTS. Sad thing, the others have already been in the dumps with finances and once they got their feet back under them - they're fucking doing it again!
I blame banks. It's never people's own fault for thriving on living on debt. I learned that on bN.
I blame banks. It's never people's own fault for thriving on living on debt. I learned that on bN.
the bon_scott: I blame banks. It's never people's own fault for thriving on living on debt. I learned that on bN.
LOL - well, to some degree banks have been too giving. though, the individual is to blame for how they handle things.
My ex, while in college, working a part-time job making about $5k / year, was given a $20k credit line... and she was in liberal arts... not engineering or nursing... liberal arts.
I'm guessing she's still paying that mother off, because she abused the hell out of it.
LOL - well, to some degree banks have been too giving. though, the individual is to blame for how they handle things.
My ex, while in college, working a part-time job making about $5k / year, was given a $20k credit line... and she was in liberal arts... not engineering or nursing... liberal arts.
I'm guessing she's still paying that mother off, because she abused the hell out of it.
chaos: LOL - well, to some degree banks have been too giving. though, the individual is to blame for how they handle things.My ex, while in college, working a part-time job making about $5k / year, was given a $20k credit line... and she was in liberal arts... not engineering or nursing... liberal arts.I'm guessing she's still paying that mother off, because she abused the hell out of it.
Well, you can't blame her, she was FORCED to use that credit wasn't she?
And the people astute enough not to use credit they can't afford continue to be silent crazy pragmatists.
Well, you can't blame her, she was FORCED to use that credit wasn't she?
And the people astute enough not to use credit they can't afford continue to be silent crazy pragmatists.
chaos: LOL - well, to some degree banks have been too giving. though, the individual is to blame for how they handle things.
My ex, while in college, working a part-time job making about $5k / year, was given a $20k credit line... and she was in liberal arts... not engineering or nursing... liberal arts.
I'm guessing she's still paying that mother off, because she abused the hell out of it.
The bank made a gamble. She could always file for bankruptcy and tell them to suck it.
My ex, while in college, working a part-time job making about $5k / year, was given a $20k credit line... and she was in liberal arts... not engineering or nursing... liberal arts.
I'm guessing she's still paying that mother off, because she abused the hell out of it.
The bank made a gamble. She could always file for bankruptcy and tell them to suck it.
fatsean: The bank made a gamble. She could always file for bankruptcy and tell them to suck it.
then she can suck it for 7 years...
then she can suck it for 7 years...
the bon_scott: Well, you can't blame her, she was FORCED to use that credit wasn't she?
And the people astute enough not to use credit they can't afford continue to be silent crazy pragmatists.
FORCED! :-)
And the people astute enough not to use credit they can't afford continue to be silent crazy pragmatists.
FORCED! :-)
baron muchhumpin: then she can suck it for 7 years...
she could suck it well... I'd like to take that stem cell from her and put it in my wife, if you know what I mean.
she could suck it well... I'd like to take that stem cell from her and put it in my wife, if you know what I mean.
baron muchhumpin: actually it's pretty funny.
Smaller tax revenues for the government means less distribution to the states, which in turn means less for cities and towns.
Starting at the bottom we start cutting services, police/fire/emt/elderly care etc, and those costs get passed on to the citizens
So as people preach "socialism is bad", we don't seem to mind taking things once covered by tax revenue and passing that cost onto the taxpayers themselves in the form of "fees"
just moving money from bucket to bucket, and we're always paying for it
Or you could be like us. Don't pay for anything, double-dog dare the state to take over administration of the county. Stick your tongue out and everything.
Smaller tax revenues for the government means less distribution to the states, which in turn means less for cities and towns.
Starting at the bottom we start cutting services, police/fire/emt/elderly care etc, and those costs get passed on to the citizens
So as people preach "socialism is bad", we don't seem to mind taking things once covered by tax revenue and passing that cost onto the taxpayers themselves in the form of "fees"
just moving money from bucket to bucket, and we're always paying for it
Or you could be like us. Don't pay for anything, double-dog dare the state to take over administration of the county. Stick your tongue out and everything.
The Wall St. Urinal has always been a Statist mouthpiece.
or did we all forget it's a Murdoch Publication when it suits our own petty politics?
czarangelus: or did we all forget it's a Murdoch Publication when it suits our own petty politics?
A broken clock is right twice a day. I've been trying to remind people rabid for deep gov't spending cuts that they might end up with unexpected ass bites.
A broken clock is right twice a day. I've been trying to remind people rabid for deep gov't spending cuts that they might end up with unexpected ass bites.
fatsean: A broken clock is right twice a day. I've been trying to remind people rabid for deep gov't spending cuts that they might end up with unexpected ass bites.
I've never disagreed on that, have I? We need to lose 60 million jobs in this country before we can even consider the start of a recovery.
I've never disagreed on that, have I? We need to lose 60 million jobs in this country before we can even consider the start of a recovery.
I am of the strange notion that financial messes are created by all of the parties involved in them ... individuals, banks, government, corporations, etc. To lay the blame, or most of the blame, on any faction is simplistic and silly.
little hands of concrete: I am of the strange notion that financial messes are created by all of the parties involved in them ... individuals, banks, government, corporations, etc. To lay the blame, or most of the blame, on any faction is simplistic and silly.
Sociopath!!
Sociopath!!
czarangelus: I've never disagreed on that, have I? We need to lose 60 million jobs in this country before we can even consider the start of a recovery.
I don't know how many need to be lost, but I do know we need to do it more slowly than we have. And that end of year budget cut is gonna be huge.
I don't know how many need to be lost, but I do know we need to do it more slowly than we have. And that end of year budget cut is gonna be huge.
fatsean: I don't know how many need to be lost, but I do know we need to do it more slowly than we have. And that end of year budget cut is gonna be huge.
Frankly, we should have solved this problem when it was Ronald Reguevara
Frankly, we should have solved this problem when it was Ronald Reguevara
czarangelus: Frankly, we should have solved this problem when it was Ronald Reguevara
All we really need is to show a solid trend of debt reduction.
All we really need is to show a solid trend of debt reduction.
fatsean: All we really need is to show a solid trend of debt reduction.
How will that happen, exactly? Given our current interest payments, that would require cutting the public sector to the marrow, which would lead to the same debt-unemployment spiral that Greece is in. Guess what? You can do badly enough in Chess to end up in an unwinnable position, and that's where we are, now
How will that happen, exactly? Given our current interest payments, that would require cutting the public sector to the marrow, which would lead to the same debt-unemployment spiral that Greece is in. Guess what? You can do badly enough in Chess to end up in an unwinnable position, and that's where we are, now
the bon_scott: People need to stop living on a fantasy island, taking a plethora of services (the country can't afford) for granted while demanding they shouldn't have to pay taxes to fund what they take for granted.
Excellent point.
Our elected reps seem so happy to cut social programs that help the poor. I wonder when we'll see some of the middle class ones cut.
Might actually happen with student loans, but I have a feeling it'll be a cold day in hell when the mortgage interest deduction is killed.
Excellent point.
Our elected reps seem so happy to cut social programs that help the poor. I wonder when we'll see some of the middle class ones cut.
Might actually happen with student loans, but I have a feeling it'll be a cold day in hell when the mortgage interest deduction is killed.
grahams: Excellent point.Our elected reps seem so happy to cut social programs that help the poor. I wonder when we'll see some of the middle class ones cut. Might actually happen with student loans, but I have a feeling it'll be a cold day in hell when the mortgage interest deduction is killed.
When this pops, we're screwed again
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When this pops, we're screwed again
czarangelus: When this pops, we're screwed again
But student loans aren't the problem, the ridiculous inflation in the cost of education is the actual problem. The student loans are merely the symptom of that
But student loans aren't the problem, the ridiculous inflation in the cost of education is the actual problem. The student loans are merely the symptom of that
grahams: But student loans aren't the problem, the ridiculous inflation in the cost of education is the actual problem. The student loans are merely the symptom of that
Universities will charge what people are willing/able to pay, naturally. Liquidity causes prices to rise and the government has created artificial liquidity in the higher education sector.
Universities will charge what people are willing/able to pay, naturally. Liquidity causes prices to rise and the government has created artificial liquidity in the higher education sector.
grahams: . . . but I have a feeling it'll be a cold day in hell when the mortgage interest deduction is killed.
They know it would be like those Pace commercials.
They know it would be like those Pace commercials.
"Get a rope"
czarangelus: Universities will charge what people are willing/able to pay, naturally. Liquidity causes prices to rise and the government has created artificial liquidity in the higher education sector.
I suspect that cutbacks in the state systems have pushed up the costs of going to state schools and all the prices across the segment have increased.
Not sure how the government didn't see that one coming
I suspect that cutbacks in the state systems have pushed up the costs of going to state schools and all the prices across the segment have increased.
Not sure how the government didn't see that one coming
grahams: I suspect that cutbacks in the state systems have pushed up the costs of going to state schools and all the prices across the segment have increased.Not sure how the government didn't see that one coming
I know, of all my grad student/PhD holding friends, one? Two? Who actually works in the field they graduated in. We have a massive higher education bubble and millions of young adults hiding from the economy in college. That which is unsustainable will not be sustained, and it'll be a blow to the middle class on the same scale as the blow from the housing meltdown. It will happen, it is inevitable.
I know, of all my grad student/PhD holding friends, one? Two? Who actually works in the field they graduated in. We have a massive higher education bubble and millions of young adults hiding from the economy in college. That which is unsustainable will not be sustained, and it'll be a blow to the middle class on the same scale as the blow from the housing meltdown. It will happen, it is inevitable.
czarangelus: I know, of all my grad student/PhD holding friends, one? Two? Who actually works in the field they graduated in. We have a massive higher education bubble and millions of young adults hiding from the economy in college. That which is unsustainable will not be sustained, and it'll be a blow to the middle class on the same scale as the blow from the housing meltdown. It will happen, it is inevitable.
That's a tenuous one, it's not "working in your field" is clearly defined.
I did a comp sci/ electronic eng joint degree and yet I work mostly in software. From where I'm standing that's unrelated to my degree, but most people probably couldn't tell the difference.
That's a tenuous one, it's not "working in your field" is clearly defined.
I did a comp sci/ electronic eng joint degree and yet I work mostly in software. From where I'm standing that's unrelated to my degree, but most people probably couldn't tell the difference.
sorry for my grammar fail there, trying to multitask
czarangelus: How will that happen, exactly? Given our current interest payments, that would require cutting the public sector to the marrow, which would lead to the same debt-unemployment spiral that Greece is in. Guess what? You can do badly enough in Chess to end up in an unwinnable position, and that's where we are, now
Raise revenues. The wealthy are paying historically low rates. Temporary tax hike for a few years that will expire would go a long way.
We cannot cut our way to an even balance sheet.
Raise revenues. The wealthy are paying historically low rates. Temporary tax hike for a few years that will expire would go a long way.
We cannot cut our way to an even balance sheet.
fatsean: Raise revenues. The wealthy are paying historically low rates. Temporary tax hike for a few years that will expire would go a long way.We cannot cut our way to an even balance sheet.
You could take every dollar earned by the rich and not even come in the neighborhood of closing the deficit. It's over. Communism failed in America just like it failed in the USSR.
You could take every dollar earned by the rich and not even come in the neighborhood of closing the deficit. It's over. Communism failed in America just like it failed in the USSR.
grahams: Excellent point.
Our elected reps seem so happy to cut social programs that help the poor. I wonder when we'll see some of the middle class ones cut.
Might actually happen with student loans, but I have a feeling it'll be a cold day in hell when the mortgage interest deduction is killed.
Yup. The people who are against Fannie and Freddie backing mortgages don't seem as concerned about government subsidies for those who already have a mortgage.
Our elected reps seem so happy to cut social programs that help the poor. I wonder when we'll see some of the middle class ones cut.
Might actually happen with student loans, but I have a feeling it'll be a cold day in hell when the mortgage interest deduction is killed.
Yup. The people who are against Fannie and Freddie backing mortgages don't seem as concerned about government subsidies for those who already have a mortgage.
czarangelus: You could take every dollar earned by the rich and not even come in the neighborhood of closing the deficit. It's over. Communism failed in America just like it failed in the USSR.
Bullshit.
Bullshit.
czarangelus: You could take every dollar earned by the rich and not even come in the neighborhood of closing the deficit. It's over. Communism failed in America just like it failed in the USSR.
Are you even vaguely familiar with what communism actually is? Or are you drinking the koolaid about the marxist in the whitehouse?
Are you even vaguely familiar with what communism actually is? Or are you drinking the koolaid about the marxist in the whitehouse?
czarangelus: You could take every dollar earned by the rich and not even come in the neighborhood of closing the deficit. It's over. Communism failed in America just like it failed in the USSR.
Umm
Umm
grahams: Are you even vaguely familiar with what communism actually is? Or are you drinking the koolaid about the marxist in the whitehouse?
The US economy is centrally planned by international banking cartels using the Federal Reserve as their instrument. That is the same in essence as communism. The Fed (cartel) picks the winners and the losers, the Fed sets the price of money and the price of time for the whole country. Obama is just the minstrel show.
The US economy is centrally planned by international banking cartels using the Federal Reserve as their instrument. That is the same in essence as communism. The Fed (cartel) picks the winners and the losers, the Fed sets the price of money and the price of time for the whole country. Obama is just the minstrel show.
fatsean: Yup. The people who are against Fannie and Freddie backing mortgages don't seem as concerned about government subsidies for those who already have a mortgage.
Yeah, although there's a great deal of cognitive dissonance about that one. The HMI deduction probably saves me about $3k/year. It's like every middle class household in the US getting foodstamps from the government.
Yeah, although there's a great deal of cognitive dissonance about that one. The HMI deduction probably saves me about $3k/year. It's like every middle class household in the US getting foodstamps from the government.
czarangelus: You could take every dollar earned by the rich and not even come in the neighborhood of closing the deficit. It's over. Communism failed in America just like it failed in the USSR.
czarangelus: The US economy is centrally planned by international banking cartels using the Federal Reserve as their instrument. That is the same in essence as communism. The Fed (cartel) picks the winners and the losers, the Fed sets the price of money and the price of time for the whole country. Obama is just the minstrel show.
Our government isn't centrally planned. Even the federal government is trying to move in a bunch of different directions, then factor in that various state governments are suing the fed and vice versa.
Central planning might not even be a bad thing at this point
Our government isn't centrally planned. Even the federal government is trying to move in a bunch of different directions, then factor in that various state governments are suing the fed and vice versa.
Central planning might not even be a bad thing at this point
czarangelus: The US economy is centrally planned by international banking cartels using the Federal Reserve as their instrument.
I don't seem to recall the US government (or any for that matter) ever actually forcing me to enter a specific career.
What you're describing isn't communism, in theory or in practice.
I don't seem to recall the US government (or any for that matter) ever actually forcing me to enter a specific career.
What you're describing isn't communism, in theory or in practice.
grahams: I suspect that cutbacks in the state systems have pushed up the costs of going to state schools and all the prices across the segment have increased.Not sure how the government didn't see that one coming
They did see it coming. It's just that the GOP blames Obama for 48 states developing big budget deficits, at the same time of the federal government, because he took office during a severe credit and economic crisis (that some bN libs want to continue for working people's sake...).
They did see it coming. It's just that the GOP blames Obama for 48 states developing big budget deficits, at the same time of the federal government, because he took office during a severe credit and economic crisis (that some bN libs want to continue for working people's sake...).
grahams: Our government isn't centrally planned. Even the federal government is trying to move in a bunch of different directions, then factor in that various state governments are suing the fed and vice versa.Central planning might not even be a bad thing at this point
Price controls price, that was the problem in the USSR. "Experts" sat around and told factories how many combs to build every year, as if they knew. Controlling the interest rate is even more damaging, because it's a manipulation of the medium of exchange and not a mere consumer product. Why can't people understand this? 300,000,000 are, in aggregate, better at economic planning than 12 experts sitting around a mahogany desk.
Price controls price, that was the problem in the USSR. "Experts" sat around and told factories how many combs to build every year, as if they knew. Controlling the interest rate is even more damaging, because it's a manipulation of the medium of exchange and not a mere consumer product. Why can't people understand this? 300,000,000 are, in aggregate, better at economic planning than 12 experts sitting around a mahogany desk.
abt12monk: I don't seem to recall the US government (or any for that matter) ever actually forcing me to enter a specific career.What you're describing isn't communism, in theory or in practice.
Sure they did, silly. They subsidized your four years at Berkley studying feminism in black swans instead of allowing you freedom, or subsidizing a trade school.
Sure they did, silly. They subsidized your four years at Berkley studying feminism in black swans instead of allowing you freedom, or subsidizing a trade school.
czarangelus:
So bloomberg is pravda now?
Ok, here. There's like a dozen different news articles reporting the same exactly thing.
So bloomberg is pravda now?
Ok, here. There's like a dozen different news articles reporting the same exactly thing.
czarangelus: Sure they did, silly. They subsidized your four years at Berkley studying feminism in black swans instead of allowing you freedom, or subsidizing a trade school.
You have zero idea what I do.
You have zero idea what I do.
abt12monk: So bloomberg is pravda now?Ok, here. There's like a dozen different news articles reporting the same exactly thing.
The mechanisms of government reporting are self-aggrandizing, just like the fake BLS numbers.
abt12monk: You have zero idea what I do.
What you do doesn't matter. I'm talking about trends. You don't have to capture everybody in the System, just enough.
The mechanisms of government reporting are self-aggrandizing, just like the fake BLS numbers.
abt12monk: You have zero idea what I do.
What you do doesn't matter. I'm talking about trends. You don't have to capture everybody in the System, just enough.
czarangelus: Price controls price, that was the problem in the USSR. "Experts" sat around and told factories how many combs to build every year, as if they knew. Controlling the interest rate is even more damaging, because it's a manipulation of the medium of exchange and not a mere consumer product. Why can't people understand this? 300,000,000 are, in aggregate, better at economic planning than 12 experts sitting around a mahogany desk.
But controlling an interest rate is not communism, it's just not.
You can argue that it's an unreasonable amount of government control, and that might be true but that doesn't make it communism
But controlling an interest rate is not communism, it's just not.
You can argue that it's an unreasonable amount of government control, and that might be true but that doesn't make it communism
grahams: But controlling an interest rate is not communism, it's just not.You can argue that it's an unreasonable amount of government control, and that might be true but that doesn't make it communism
It's cartel ownership of the medium of production.
It's cartel ownership of the medium of production.
abt12monk: You have zero idea what I do.
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grahams: Which is BY DEFINITION not marxism.
You're misunderstanding Communism in practice. The USSR had owners and aristocrats and oligarchs, just the propaganda disseminated was different.
You're misunderstanding Communism in practice. The USSR had owners and aristocrats and oligarchs, just the propaganda disseminated was different.
czarangelus: You're misunderstanding Communism in practice. The USSR had owners and aristocrats and oligarchs, just the propaganda disseminated was different.
Well that's a fair point, but I don't think it's fair to say that what was practiced in the USSR was Marxism and it's questionable whether it's even communism.
The textbook definition of communism requires classless and moneyless.
Well that's a fair point, but I don't think it's fair to say that what was practiced in the USSR was Marxism and it's questionable whether it's even communism.
The textbook definition of communism requires classless and moneyless.
grahams: Which is BY DEFINITION not marxism.
lol, you're talking to a guy who claims Reagan was a communist. Things are a bit different in czarian space. Parallel lines don't just converge, they intertwine
czarangelus:
Which website was it that you got booted from with the reagan is a commie idea? was it free republic?
lol, you're talking to a guy who claims Reagan was a communist. Things are a bit different in czarian space. Parallel lines don't just converge, they intertwine
czarangelus:
Which website was it that you got booted from with the reagan is a commie idea? was it free republic?
grahams: Well that's a fair point, but I don't think it's fair to say that what was practiced in the USSR was Marxism and it's questionable whether it's even communism.The textbook definition of communism requires classless and moneyless.
Well, that's just silly. You can't have specialization of labor without cash, and you can't feed 300,000,000 without specialization of labor.
Well, that's just silly. You can't have specialization of labor without cash, and you can't feed 300,000,000 without specialization of labor.
burntman: lol, you're talking to a guy who claims Reagan was a communist. Things are a bit different in czarian space. Parallel lines don't just converge, they intertwineWhich website was it that you got booted from with the reagan is a commie idea? was it free republic?
yup. And I got permabanned from Common Dreams during the Obama campaign, surprise surprise.
yup. And I got permabanned from Common Dreams during the Obama campaign, surprise surprise.
czarangelus: yup. And I got permabanned from Common Dreams during the Obama campaign, surprise surprise.
lol I remember that. Have you trolled stormfront yet?
lol I remember that. Have you trolled stormfront yet?
burntman: lol I remember that. Have you trolled stormfront yet?
Honestly, if you just subtract the racism, there's a deceptive air of reasonableness at stormfront. As a community they have a better-than-average handle on what most of our problems are. I'm just not sure interracial marriage is one of our problems.
Honestly, if you just subtract the racism, there's a deceptive air of reasonableness at stormfront. As a community they have a better-than-average handle on what most of our problems are. I'm just not sure interracial marriage is one of our problems.
czarangelus: Honestly, if you just subtract the racism, there's a deceptive air of reasonableness at stormfront. As a community they have a better-than-average handle on what most of our problems are. I'm just not sure interracial marriage is one of our problems.
well, the day you decide to have a discussion there let me know. I could certainly use the giggle :)
well, the day you decide to have a discussion there let me know. I could certainly use the giggle :)
czarangelus: Well, that's just silly. You can't have specialization of labor without cash, and you can't feed 300,000,000 without specialization of labor.
Nobody is claiming communism is a great idea.
What's going on in this country just isn't that comparable to the USSR. We may both be destined to fail, but I suspect we'll fail in very different ways.
In some ways it might be more comparable to the fail of the roman empire - an entitlement class back home, mistreatment of the poor, expending massive resources fighting on distant fronts...
Nobody is claiming communism is a great idea.
What's going on in this country just isn't that comparable to the USSR. We may both be destined to fail, but I suspect we'll fail in very different ways.
In some ways it might be more comparable to the fail of the roman empire - an entitlement class back home, mistreatment of the poor, expending massive resources fighting on distant fronts...
grahams: Nobody is claiming communism is a great idea. What's going on in this country just isn't that comparable to the USSR. We may both be destined to fail, but I suspect we'll fail in very different ways. In some ways it might be more comparable to the fail of the roman empire - an entitlement class back home, mistreatment of the poor, expending massive resources fighting on distant fronts...
I think a breakup of the USA is actually possible. A nation of California, of Texas, of New England...
I think a breakup of the USA is actually possible. A nation of California, of Texas, of New England...
abt12monk: You have zero idea what I do.
Please don't take any offense at my flippancy.
And remember not to get your schwartz twisted up with his, Lone Star. ;)
Please don't take any offense at my flippancy.
And remember not to get your schwartz twisted up with his, Lone Star. ;)
grahams: In some ways it might be more comparable to the fail of the roman empire - an entitlement class back home, mistreatment of the poor, expending massive resources fighting on distant fronts...
maybe Salazars Portugal?
maybe Salazars Portugal?
little hands of concrete: I am of the strange notion that financial messes are created by all of the parties involved in them ... individuals, banks, government, corporations, etc. To lay the blame, or most of the blame, on any faction is simplistic and silly.
This.
This.
vet_curm: four words
Content
Addressable
Parallel
Processors
Amirite?
Lol, you're in the ballpark :)
vet_curm: Please don't take any offense at my flippancy.
And remember not to get your schwartz twisted up with his, Lone Star. ;)
None taken :)
Content
Addressable
Parallel
Processors
Amirite?
Lol, you're in the ballpark :)
vet_curm: Please don't take any offense at my flippancy.
And remember not to get your schwartz twisted up with his, Lone Star. ;)
None taken :)
vet_curm: four words
Content
Addressable
Parallel
Processors
Amirite?
you forgot Cloud, Virtualized and Deduped
Content
Addressable
Parallel
Processors
Amirite?
you forgot Cloud, Virtualized and Deduped
czarangelus: When this pops, we're screwed again
is that divergence roughly where "becoming a perpetual student" really took off?
and of course, moving back in with the 'rents
is that divergence roughly where "becoming a perpetual student" really took off?
and of course, moving back in with the 'rents
fatsean: A broken clock is right twice a day. I've been trying to remind people rabid for deep gov't spending cuts that they might end up with unexpected ass bites.
The cuts are coming as the government is beyond broke. Don't tell them they might.
If you really care for them, you'll tell they will come.
This is the travesty that the promises cause...
The cuts are coming as the government is beyond broke. Don't tell them they might.
If you really care for them, you'll tell they will come.
This is the travesty that the promises cause...
little hands of concrete: I am of the strange notion that financial messes are created by all of the parties involved in them ... individuals, banks, government, corporations, etc. To lay the blame, or most of the blame, on any faction is simplistic and silly.
I 100% blame HBO.
I 100% blame HBO.
grahams: Might actually happen with student loans, but I have a feeling it'll be a cold day in hell when the mortgage interest deduction is killed.
That would be terrible to see all the people lose their homes.
That would be terrible to see all the people lose their homes.
so vote republican: That would be terrible to see all the people lose their homes.
I was more intrigued by the cognitive dissonance that lets the middle class claim thousands a year from a social program while claiming they aren't using any social programs
I was more intrigued by the cognitive dissonance that lets the middle class claim thousands a year from a social program while claiming they aren't using any social programs
fatsean: Yup. The people who are against Fannie and Freddie backing mortgages don't seem as concerned about government subsidies for those who already have a mortgage.
The government has always allowed deductions for mortgage interest. Therefore it's not a "subsidy".
In fact, they used to allow deductions for ALL interest.
You know, like they do for businesses...
The government has always allowed deductions for mortgage interest. Therefore it's not a "subsidy".
In fact, they used to allow deductions for ALL interest.
You know, like they do for businesses...
grahams: I was more intrigued by the cognitive dissonance that lets the middle class claim thousands a year from a social program while claiming they aren't using any social programs
It isn't a social program. Mortgage interest has never been considered income. It's been a slow expansion of taxes that makes it seem like a social program.
It isn't a social program. Mortgage interest has never been considered income. It's been a slow expansion of taxes that makes it seem like a social program.
so vote republican: It isn't a social program. Mortgage interest has never been considered income. It's been a slow expansion of taxes that makes it seem like a social program.
Yes it is - the government is using tax policy to incentivize behavior. Isn't that the very essence of a social policy?
Just because they don't have your mortgage stamps every week doesn't mean it's functionally any different
Yes it is - the government is using tax policy to incentivize behavior. Isn't that the very essence of a social policy?
Just because they don't have your mortgage stamps every week doesn't mean it's functionally any different
grahams: Our government isn't centrally planned. Even the federal government is trying to move in a bunch of different directions, then factor in that various state governments are suing the fed and vice versa.
Central planning might not even be a bad thing at this point
Central planning might not even be a bad thing at this point
grahams: I was more intrigued by the cognitive dissonance that lets the middle class claim thousands a year from a social program while claiming they aren't using any social programs
abt12monk: So bloomberg is pravda now?
Ok, here. There's like a dozen different news articles reporting the same exactly thing.
The government has added debt for the last four decades. One month doesn't change that.
It's no different than pointing to a heavy snowstorm to disprove global warming.
Ok, here. There's like a dozen different news articles reporting the same exactly thing.
The government has added debt for the last four decades. One month doesn't change that.
It's no different than pointing to a heavy snowstorm to disprove global warming.
so vote republican: The cuts are coming as the government is beyond broke. Don't tell them they might.
If you really care for them, you'll tell they will come.
This is the travesty that the promises cause...
I suspect that when push comes to shove we will see some moderate cuts but that taxes will go up on the wealthy quite a bit as well. But this big shoe ready to drop at the end of the year will give us all a little taste of what will happen if the hard-core deficit hawks get their way and try to balance the budget in a year or two.
And when nearly every country in the world that is even close to the size of the USA has equivalent indebtedness...I have to think that something un-thought-of will be done to sort it all out.
If you really care for them, you'll tell they will come.
This is the travesty that the promises cause...
I suspect that when push comes to shove we will see some moderate cuts but that taxes will go up on the wealthy quite a bit as well. But this big shoe ready to drop at the end of the year will give us all a little taste of what will happen if the hard-core deficit hawks get their way and try to balance the budget in a year or two.
And when nearly every country in the world that is even close to the size of the USA has equivalent indebtedness...I have to think that something un-thought-of will be done to sort it all out.
grahams: Yes it is - the government is using tax policy to incentivize behavior. Isn't that the very essence of a social policy?
That makes everything a "social" program if it isn't specifically taxed. Which is, of course, my program with the tax code.
Just because they don't have your mortgage stamps every week doesn't mean it's functionally any different
Bull. Shit.
Food stamps are applied for when you are unable to feed yourself to keep you from starving temporarily. It is a positive action (providing food).
The mortgage deduction is something perfectly capable adults do as part of budgetary planning when they make decisions lasting decades. It is a negative action (not taxing mortgage expenses).
It is ridiculous to conflate them and reflects badly upon you.
That makes everything a "social" program if it isn't specifically taxed. Which is, of course, my program with the tax code.
Just because they don't have your mortgage stamps every week doesn't mean it's functionally any different
Bull. Shit.
Food stamps are applied for when you are unable to feed yourself to keep you from starving temporarily. It is a positive action (providing food).
The mortgage deduction is something perfectly capable adults do as part of budgetary planning when they make decisions lasting decades. It is a negative action (not taxing mortgage expenses).
It is ridiculous to conflate them and reflects badly upon you.
fatsean: I have to think that something un-thought-of will be done to sort it all out.
Czar's thought of it. As have I.
Czar's thought of it. As have I.
so vote republican: The government has added debt for the last four decades. One month doesn't change that.
It's no different than pointing to a heavy snowstorm to disprove global warming.
and just because there's lots of negative news doesn't mean this happening wasn't a GOOD THING
It's no different than pointing to a heavy snowstorm to disprove global warming.
and just because there's lots of negative news doesn't mean this happening wasn't a GOOD THING
Also, I'd argue that we already have central economic planners. They are the few very wealthy persons and organizations who control half of the nations' wealth. Of course, we didn't get to appoint them.
so vote republican: Czar's thought of it. As have I.
Mutual debt write-downs across the world with some military skirmishes thrown in for good measure. That's my take.
Mutual debt write-downs across the world with some military skirmishes thrown in for good measure. That's my take.
US Government is based on the three party system first invented by the Roman Republic. What's happening now, czar, is that the weakness of this system is having the the wealthy running the senate. This is what happened to The Roman Republic before it went Empire. The future for us I foresee, is not a socialist state, but a dictatorship run by few people or one person...and that person is not going to be the President of the United States. We are far far far from being in Marxist territory.
baron muchhumpin: and just because there's lots of negative news doesn't mean this happening wasn't a GOOD THING
Sure. The vertical airspeed of our airliner plunging towards the earth has slowed from 600mph to 550mph.
The ground is now 4000ft away.
GOOD. THING.
Sure. The vertical airspeed of our airliner plunging towards the earth has slowed from 600mph to 550mph.
The ground is now 4000ft away.
GOOD. THING.
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