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    muninsfire 189 2012-05-30 09:25:28.0 login to vote score 7
    This should be a very, very interesting case to follow for all of us who want to keep online backups on other than our own hardware...pretty much, the entire 'cloud' infrastructure's viability as a business depends on this guy getting his data back.
    finnley wren 24 2012-05-30 09:27:43.0 login to vote score 0
    Hilarious that thus far, they've found just one "innocent" Megauploader user. But he absolutely should get his video returned.
    flashlv 1657 2012-05-30 09:28:20.0 login to vote score 0
    It's just digital information, it's not like the goverment is taking his data away from him.
    youralt 6895 2012-05-30 09:29:01.0 login to vote score 2
    flashlv: It's just digital information, it's not like the goverment is taking his data away from him.

    except they sorta did.
    osirisothedead 1858 2012-05-30 09:29:14.0 login to vote score 3
    flashlv: It's just digital information, it's not like the goverment is taking his data away from him.

    If that's the only copy with no way to retrieve it, yes they are.
    impasse 820 2012-05-30 09:30:04.0 login to vote score 2
    flashlv: It's just digital information, it's not like the goverment is taking his data away from him.

    Don't worry, he'll just Netflix his own video.

    Heh.
    flashlv 1657 2012-05-30 09:31:15.0 login to vote score 0
    youralt: except they sorta did.

    The government isn't stealing anything.
    flashlv 1657 2012-05-30 09:32:01.0 login to vote score 0
    osirisothedead: If that's the only copy with no way to retrieve it, yes they are.

    But they aren't stealing the information, because you can't steal anything digital.
    muninsfire 189 2012-05-30 09:32:19.0 login to vote score 1
    finnley wren: Hilarious that thus far, they've found just one "innocent" Megauploader user. But he absolutely should get his video returned.

    I'm sure there's more, but vetting each one who claims to be innocent for -any- "illicit" activity has got to take a while. It wouldn't do for your 'face' to have a skeleton in his closet, after all.
    osirisothedead 1858 2012-05-30 09:32:52.0 login to vote score 4
    flashlv: But they aren't stealing the information, because you can't steal anything digital.

    Nice try. Making a digital copy of something is not stealing. Taking away the only digital rendering of something is stealing.
    youralt 6895 2012-05-30 09:33:38.0 login to vote score 1
    flashlv: The government isn't stealing anything.

    You didn't say stealing, you said took.

    they did take it, he doesn't have it, and they do.


    finnley wren 24 2012-05-30 09:33:54.0 login to vote score 1
    osirisothedead: Nice try. Making a digital copy of something is not stealing. Taking away the only digital rendering of something is stealing.

    The government often takes the property of those involved (knowingly or not) in illicit or illegal ventures.

    Not saying it's right. Just that there's precedent.
    muninsfire 189 2012-05-30 09:34:08.0 login to vote score 2
    osirisothedead: Nice try. Making a digital copy of something is not stealing. Taking away the only digital rendering of something is stealing.

    You're trying to get flash to recognize nuance?

    Good fucking luck...
    flashlv 1657 2012-05-30 09:34:55.0 login to vote score 0
    osirisothedead: Nice try. Making a digital copy of something is not stealing. Taking away the only digital rendering of something is stealing.

    They can't take something that is in digital format though. You guys have argued this a thousand times on bN!

    Nice for you to move the goal posts Osiris.
    osirisothedead 1858 2012-05-30 09:35:19.0 login to vote score 2
    flashlv: They can't take something that is in digital format though. You guys have argued this a thousand times on bN!

    Nice for you to move the goal posts Osiris.


    Nobody has argued that on bN. Ever. Except you right now.
    flashlv 1657 2012-05-30 09:35:29.0 login to vote score 0
    youralt: You didn't say stealing, you said took.they did take it, he doesn't have it, and they do.

    No one has it, it's in a digital format.
    quinblake 1476 2012-05-30 09:35:53.0 login to vote score 1
    finnley wren: Hilarious that thus far, they've found just one "innocent" Megauploader user. But he absolutely should get his video returned.

    How is it hilarious?
    flashlv 1657 2012-05-30 09:36:18.0 login to vote score 0
    osirisothedead: Nobody has argued that on bN. Ever. Except you right now.

    That's an outright lie. You have said that something that can be copied cannot be stolen.


    flashlv 1657 2012-05-30 09:37:01.0 login to vote score 0
    quinblake: How is it hilarious?

    How is it not?
    youralt 6895 2012-05-30 09:37:04.0 login to vote score 0
    flashlv: No one has it, it's in a digital format.

    How can no one have it? it exists in a digital format on physical media.


    osirisothedead 1858 2012-05-30 09:37:14.0 login to vote score 1
    flashlv: That's an outright lie. You have said that something that can be copied cannot be stolen.

    You know what muninsfire said about nuance? Yeah, well, how can it be copied if the government has seized it?
    finnley wren 24 2012-05-30 09:38:06.0 login to vote score 0
    quinblake: How is it hilarious?

    Hilarious because I've heard a number of times about all the folks who used this site (and those like them) for legitimate purposes. That's all.
    flashlv 1657 2012-05-30 09:38:58.0 login to vote score 0
    osirisothedead: You know what muninsfire said about nuance? Yeah, well, how can it be copied if the government has seized it?

    It's just a digital copy.
    youralt 6895 2012-05-30 09:39:11.0 login to vote score 1
    flashlv: They can't take something that is in digital format though. You guys have argued this a thousand times on bN!

    Nice for you to move the goal posts Osiris.


    Oh, it's one of those threads....

    well, no.

    anyone else want to discuss it?
    osirisothedead 1858 2012-05-30 09:40:04.0 login to vote score 1
    flashlv: It's just a digital copy.

    It's the only digital copy that cannot be copied because the government has seized the physical media that it rests on.

    And I'm done with this particular line of arguing because you're being a dumbshit. It's not like there are 187 copies out there.
    finnley wren 24 2012-05-30 09:40:09.0 login to vote score 2
    flashlv: That's an outright lie. You have said that something that can be copied cannot be stolen.

    I understand and appreciate your having fun with this. But it is the ONLY copy. That has never been the case in any discussion we've had on bN.
    quinblake 1476 2012-05-30 09:41:19.0 login to vote score 0
    finnley wren: Hilarious because I've heard a number of times about all the folks who used this site (and those like them) for legitimate purposes. That's all.

    And all these folks have lost their primary HDDs as well? Oh the hilarity. My sides are splitting.
    flashlv 1657 2012-05-30 09:41:46.0 login to vote score 0
    osirisothedead: It's the only digital copy that cannot be copied because the government has seized the physical media that it rests on.And I'm done with this particular line of arguing because you're being a dumbshit. It's not like there are 187 copies out there.

    So you can steal something that is in digital format?
    muninsfire 189 2012-05-30 09:42:17.0 login to vote score 2
    youralt: Oh, it's one of those threads....well, no.anyone else want to discuss it?

    I would--see my first post above.

    The 'cloud' thing depends on the clients for the services having some assurance that they will have access to their data on demand. If other users on the same service could potentially cause seizure of their data by the US government, then no business in their right mind will want to use a 'cloud' service for anything that might be business-critical.

    We're talking an industry that in China already exceeds $1bn in investment; it'd be a huge driver for the US economy if the US were to take steps to ensure client data could be adequately safeguarded.
    osirisothedead 1858 2012-05-30 09:42:30.0 login to vote score 1
    flashlv: So you can steal something that is in digital format?

    Yes, and nobody on bN has ever said otherwise.
    flashlv 1657 2012-05-30 09:42:41.0 login to vote score 0
    finnley wren: I understand and appreciate your having fun with this. But it is the ONLY copy. That has never been the case in any discussion we've had on bN.

    It's probably not the only copy since they might have backups or he may have it on another computer. do you know it's the ONLY copy?
    flashlv 1657 2012-05-30 09:43:17.0 login to vote score 0
    At least finnley gets what I am saying, thank you finnley.
    muninsfire 189 2012-05-30 09:43:23.0 login to vote score 1
    flashlv: It's probably not the only copy since they might have backups or he may have it on another computer. do you know it's the ONLY copy?

    Yes, because he read the fucking article.
    finnley wren 24 2012-05-30 09:43:44.0 login to vote score 0
    quinblake: And all these folks have lost their primary HDDs as well? Oh the hilarity. My sides are splitting.

    Exactly. If it weren't for bad luck, this guy would have no luck at all.

    Apparently.
    flashlv 1657 2012-05-30 09:43:55.0 login to vote score 0
    osirisothedead: Yes, and nobody on bN has ever said otherwise.

    So downloading a song illegally is stealing?
    osirisothedead 1858 2012-05-30 09:44:34.0 login to vote score 1
    flashlv: At least finnley gets what I am saying, thank you finnley.

    Yes, finnley understands that you're being an idiot and equating copyright infringement with theft. Again.
    impasse 820 2012-05-30 09:44:35.0 login to vote score 3
    muninsfire: Yes, because he read the fucking article.

    He read a copy of it on his local web browser :/
    youralt 6895 2012-05-30 09:44:41.0 login to vote score 1
    muninsfire: I would--see my first post above.

    The 'cloud' thing depends on the clients for the services having some assurance that they will have access to their data on demand. If other users on the same service could potentially cause seizure of their data by the US government, then no business in their right mind will want to use a 'cloud' service for anything that might be business-critical.

    We're talking an industry that in China already exceeds $1bn in investment; it'd be a huge driver for the US economy if the US were to take steps to ensure client data could be adequately safeguarded.


    Well I agree with you, so that's no fun.

    I refuse to put anything important on any sort of cloud backup. I don't think it's secure enough for trade secrets, and then this megaupload thing, it can be seized.

    Once seized you might never get it back, or worse, it may be made public.
    osirisothedead 1858 2012-05-30 09:44:50.0 login to vote score 1
    flashlv: So downloading a song illegally is stealing?

    No, because it doesn't make the original unavailable.
    osirisothedead 1858 2012-05-30 09:45:40.0 login to vote score 4
    impasse: He read a copy of it on his local web browser :/

    flashlv stole the article?
    flashlv 1657 2012-05-30 09:46:07.0 login to vote score 0
    It's this guys own fault for having allegedly only having one copy.

    He should be allowed the data if he pays for the time it takes to get the data.

    So yes, they should be allowed to get their data if they pay for the labor to get the files to him.
    youralt 6895 2012-05-30 09:46:22.0 login to vote score 1
    flashlv: So downloading a song illegally is stealing?

    copyright infringement.

    and define illegally.

    From a P2P network, or are you illegally hacking into a secure server and downloading it.


    flashlv 1657 2012-05-30 09:46:32.0 login to vote score 0
    osirisothedead: Yes, finnley understands that you're being an idiot and equating copyright infringement with theft. Again.

    You guys have said you cannot steal anything digital, you never qualified.
    muninsfire 189 2012-05-30 09:46:46.0 login to vote score 1
    impasse: He read a copy of it on his local web browser :/

    Fucking pirate :/


    youralt: Well I agree with you, so that's no fun.I refuse to put anything important on any sort of cloud backup. I don't think it's secure enough for trade secrets, and then this megaupload thing, it can be seized.Once seized you might never get it back, or worse, it may be made public.

    Personally, I think that shotgunning important things in encrypted archives with non-obvious labels (English_Essay_Ezra_Pound_Backup_$DATE --who's going to want to decrypt -that-?) is adequate for most people, but it's hardly a reasonable strategy for a business.
    osirisothedead 1858 2012-05-30 09:46:47.0 login to vote score 3
    flashlv: You guys have said you cannot steal anything digital, you never qualified.

    SOURCE!
    flashlv 1657 2012-05-30 09:47:13.0 login to vote score 0
    osirisothedead: SOURCE!

    google it yourself in any IP or torrent thread.
    impasse 820 2012-05-30 09:47:35.0 login to vote score 3
    osirisothedead: flashlv stole the article?

    He stole 187 of them :/
    youralt 6895 2012-05-30 09:48:03.0 login to vote score 1
    flashlv: It's this guys own fault for having allegedly only having one copy.

    He should be allowed the data if he pays for the time it takes to get the data.

    So yes, they should be allowed to get their data if they pay for the labor to get the files to him.


    He had a physical copy that failed, he had this other backup that was seized, I don't see how it's his fault.

    Why should someone have to pay extra labour to get their property back. If your house was robbed would you have to pay the police to return your property to you?
    osirisothedead 1858 2012-05-30 09:48:07.0 login to vote score 2
    flashlv: google it yourself in any IP or torrent thread.

    No results found for site:www.bannination.com "you cannot steal anything digital".
    youralt 6895 2012-05-30 09:48:54.0 login to vote score 0
    muninsfire: Fucking pirate :/




    Personally, I think that shotgunning important things in encrypted archives with non-obvious labels (English_Essay_Ezra_Pound_Backup_$DATE --who's going to want to decrypt -that-?) is adequate for most people, but it's hardly a reasonable strategy for a business.


    If it's a formula or private research that is worth money....
    muninsfire 189 2012-05-30 09:49:32.0 login to vote score 1
    Well, I guess this is a flashit thread and I'll have to look for somewhere else to discuss the importance of data recoverability for the cloud industry.

    \Fuck you, flash.
    muninsfire 189 2012-05-30 09:50:07.0 login to vote score 0
    youralt: If it's a formula or private research that is worth money....

    ...then it'd behoove you to protect it in accordance with its worth.
    flashlv 1657 2012-05-30 09:50:43.0 login to vote score 0
    youralt: He had a physical copy that failed, he had this other backup that was seized, I don't see how it's his fault.Why should someone have to pay extra labour to get their property back. If your house was robbed would you have to pay the police to return your property to you?

    He should have made a local backup.

    What property? I was told only property can be stolen, and I have been told by bN'ers that you cannot steal anything that is digital.
    flashlv 1657 2012-05-30 09:51:05.0 login to vote score 0
    muninsfire: Well, I guess this is a flashit thread and I'll have to look for somewhere else to discuss the importance of data recoverability for the cloud industry. Fuck you, flash.

    bye whiner.
    youralt 6895 2012-05-30 09:51:13.0 login to vote score 1
    muninsfire: Well, I guess this is a flashit thread and I'll have to look for somewhere else to discuss the importance of data recoverability for the cloud industry.

    Fuck you, flash.


    Ignore him.

    I still use local and offsite backups here.

    I am slighty nervous about cloud storage, the google one, forget it, their terms of service....

    My boss is paranoid about it.

    osirisothedead 1858 2012-05-30 09:51:17.0 login to vote score 1
    flashlv: I was told only property can be stolen, and I have been told by bN'ers that you cannot steal anything that is digital.

    No you weren't and no you haven't.
    flashlv 1657 2012-05-30 09:52:18.0 login to vote score 0
    osirisothedead: No results found for site:www.bannination.com "you cannot steal anything digital".

    http://www.bannination.com/comments/5146097/6

    Have fun.
    flashlv 1657 2012-05-30 09:53:17.0 login to vote score 0
    osirisothedead: No you weren't and no you haven't.

    So downloading a torrent of a movie or song is stealing?
    osirisothedead 1858 2012-05-30 09:53:48.0 login to vote score 1
    flashlv: http://www.bannination.com/comments/5146097/6

    Have fun.


    Nothing in that thread is about making a digital rendition of something totally unavailable. :/
    youralt 6895 2012-05-30 09:54:05.0 login to vote score 1
    flashlv: http://www.bannination.com/comments/5146097/6

    Have fun.


    you drink horse semen.

    good to know.
    osirisothedead 1858 2012-05-30 09:54:07.0 login to vote score 1
    flashlv: So downloading a torrent of a movie or song is stealing?

    No, because it doesn't make the original unavailable.
    muninsfire 189 2012-05-30 09:54:12.0 login to vote score 1
    youralt: Ignore him.I still use local and offsite backups here.I am slighty nervous about cloud storage, the google one, forget it, their terms of service....My boss is paranoid about it.

    I do, typically, but it's depressing when every thread he's in devolves to the same damn story every damn time. You could write a five-line python script to recreate every damn thread.

    Local + offsite is according to best practices. A strongly encrypted g-drive or similar is adequate for a secondary backup in most cases, but given the current state of data seizure, it's probably best to distribute it in two or three places--and even then, only a limited subset of data.

    If you had a friendly company not in direct competition, it might be useful for you to make an agreement to provide offsite storage for encrypted business archives with each other, but that's something that'd require contracts and suchlike to negotiate.
    impasse 820 2012-05-30 09:54:35.0 login to vote score 2
    If the feds seize your bank accounts, it's your fault for not backing up your money :/
    youralt 6895 2012-05-30 09:54:49.0 login to vote score 1
    flashlv: So downloading a torrent of a movie or song is stealing?

    not at all.

    it's just a torrent file.
    flashlv 1657 2012-05-30 09:55:09.0 login to vote score 0
    so vote republican: It's their loss, absolutely. I've said that many times in this thread.But it doesn't mean you're not stealing.


    flashlv 1657 2012-05-30 09:55:41.0 login to vote score 0
    osirisothedead: No, because it doesn't make the original unavailable.

    The original is available, just not to him.
    youralt 6895 2012-05-30 09:55:50.0 login to vote score 0
    muninsfire: I do, typically, but it's depressing when every thread he's in devolves to the same damn story every damn time. You could write a five-line python script to recreate every damn thread.

    Local + offsite is according to best practices. A strongly encrypted g-drive or similar is adequate for a secondary backup in most cases, but given the current state of data seizure, it's probably best to distribute it in two or three places--and even then, only a limited subset of data.

    If you had a friendly company not in direct competition, it might be useful for you to make an agreement to provide offsite storage for encrypted business archives with each other, but that's something that'd require contracts and suchlike to negotiate.


    ...the offsite is a aerospace company, we are health supplements...
    youralt 6895 2012-05-30 09:56:16.0 login to vote score 2
    flashlv: The original is available, just not to him.

    exactly.

    thanks for proving our point again.
    osirisothedead 1858 2012-05-30 09:56:26.0 login to vote score 0
    flashlv: The original is available, just not to him.

    The original isn't available to the rightful owner because it was made unavailable by the government.

    You = dumb.
    impasse 820 2012-05-30 09:56:40.0 login to vote score 3
    flashlv: The original is available, just not to him.

    So if I steal your car, since it's available to me but not you it's not a problem!
    muninsfire 189 2012-05-30 09:56:59.0 login to vote score 0
    youralt: ...the offsite is a aerospace company, we are health supplements...

    Well, you're doing well, then. Carry on!
    osirisothedead 1858 2012-05-30 09:57:00.0 login to vote score 2
    impasse: So if I steal your car, since it's available to me but not you it's not a problem!

    He has 187 cars. :/
    impasse 820 2012-05-30 09:57:28.0 login to vote score 1
    osirisothedead: He has 187 cars. :/

    You wouldn't download 187 cars :/
    muninsfire 189 2012-05-30 09:57:39.0 login to vote score 0
    impasse: So if I steal your car, since it's available to me but not you it's not a problem!

    You wouldn't download a car, would you?

    \Not when you can just steal Flash's, anyway ;-þ
    osirisothedead 1858 2012-05-30 09:58:04.0 login to vote score 0
    impasse: You wouldn't download 187 cars :/

    I'd better delete 187_cars_lolita_xxx_avi.zip
    youralt 6895 2012-05-30 09:58:32.0 login to vote score 0
    fuck you, I could if I would!
    youralt 6895 2012-05-30 09:58:42.0 login to vote score 0
    would if I could even.
    osirisothedead 1858 2012-05-30 09:59:26.0 login to vote score 1
    muninsfire: You wouldn't download a car, would you?

    Not when you can just steal Flash's, anyway ;-þ


    Oh but it's not stealing! It's just making the only one unavailable to the rightful owner.
    youralt 6895 2012-05-30 10:00:20.0 login to vote score 1
    muninsfire: Well, you're doing well, then. Carry on!

    yeah, for what we actually do, our backup system is quite robust.

    it helps that it's the tester for what the aerospace company does.
    quinblake 1476 2012-05-30 10:00:44.0 login to vote score 1
    muninsfire: I do, typically, but it's depressing when every thread he's in devolves to the same damn story every damn time. You could write a five-line python script to recreate every damn thread.

    Local + offsite is according to best practices. A strongly encrypted g-drive or similar is adequate for a secondary backup in most cases, but given the current state of data seizure, it's probably best to distribute it in two or three places--and even then, only a limited subset of data.

    If you had a friendly company not in direct competition, it might be useful for you to make an agreement to provide offsite storage for encrypted business archives with each other, but that's something that'd require contracts and suchlike to negotiate.


    It's the same thing with phil in any thread that is remotely political and it's the same thing with TBS in any thread while he's conscious. Fun place.
    muninsfire 189 2012-05-30 10:01:05.0 login to vote score 0
    osirisothedead: Oh but it's not stealing! It's just making the only one unavailable to the rightful owner.

    Somehow this seems familiar
    muninsfire 189 2012-05-30 10:05:10.0 login to vote score 0
    youralt: yeah, for what we actually do, our backup system is quite robust.it helps that it's the tester for what the aerospace company does.

    Not a bad way to work--assuming disaster doesn't strike both places at once... ;-þ


    youralt 6895 2012-05-30 10:06:30.0 login to vote score 1
    muninsfire: Not a bad way to work--assuming disaster doesn't strike both places at once... ;-þ

    well, thousands of kilometers apart....plus the monthlies locked up in a fireproof safe, at another offsite secure facility.

    overkill.
    fatsean 3838 2012-05-30 10:18:18.0 login to vote score 0
    flashlv: It's just digital information, it's not like the goverment is taking his data away from him.

    You don't really work in IT, do you?
    flashlv 1657 2012-05-30 10:23:57.0 login to vote score 0
    osirisothedead: The original isn't available to the rightful owner because it was made unavailable by the government.You = dumb.

    There is no rightful owner since it's in digital format. You guys have said this. :(
    flashlv 1657 2012-05-30 10:25:07.0 login to vote score 0
    fatsean: You don't really work in IT, do you?

    I have been in IT longer than most people on this site.


    osirisothedead 1858 2012-05-30 10:25:49.0 login to vote score 1
    flashlv: There is no rightful owner since it's in digital format. You guys have said this. :(

    Nobody has ever said that.
    flashlv 1657 2012-05-30 10:26:05.0 login to vote score 0
    So, just to clarify, is it stealing to illegally download a digital copy of something?
    osirisothedead 1858 2012-05-30 10:26:14.0 login to vote score 1
    flashlv: I have been in IT longer than most people on this site.

    Well, I would never hire you. Your technical expertise is severely lacking.
    flashlv 1657 2012-05-30 10:27:10.0 login to vote score 0
    osirisothedead: Nobody has ever said that.

    I even quoted someone who did say that

    flashlv 1657 2012-05-30 10:27:43.0 login to vote score 0
    osirisothedead: Well, I would never hire you. Your technical expertise is severely lacking.

    I don't need a job though, just got promoted yesterday to App Support manager.
    osirisothedead 1858 2012-05-30 10:27:57.0 login to vote score 0
    flashlv: I even quoted someone who did say that

    No you didn't. You quoted SVR who voiced his opinion that piracy is stealing.
    flashlv 1657 2012-05-30 10:28:38.0 login to vote score 0
    osirisothedead: No you didn't. You quoted SVR who voiced his opinion that piracy is stealing.

    No, he said downloading a digital copy isn't stealing.
    flashlv 1657 2012-05-30 10:29:19.0 login to vote score 0
    Well this was fun and a great place to point back to the next thread where someone says downloading a digital file isn't stealing.
    osirisothedead 1858 2012-05-30 10:29:40.0 login to vote score 0
    flashlv: No, he said downloading a digital copy isn't stealing.

    Read the quote again.

    so vote republican: It's their loss, absolutely. I've said that many times in this thread.But it doesn't mean you're not stealing.

    See the word "not" there?
    osirisothedead 1858 2012-05-30 10:32:24.0 login to vote score 0
    flashlv: Well this was fun and a great place to point back to the next thread where someone says downloading a digital file isn't stealing.

    I'm not sure we need yet another reference to a thread where you were consistently wrong. There's already a whole plethora of them.
    quinblake 1476 2012-05-30 10:36:35.0 login to vote score 0
    flashlv: Well this was fun and a great place to point back to the next thread where someone says downloading a digital file isn't stealing.

    What if it's a linux distro?
    impasse 820 2012-05-30 10:36:52.0 login to vote score 0
    flashlv: I have been in IT longer than most people on this site.

    How long?
    impasse 820 2012-05-30 10:37:54.0 login to vote score 0
    flashlv: I don't need a job though, just got promoted yesterday to App Support manager.

    So you're in charge of clicking "Next" in the wizards?
    osirisothedead 1858 2012-05-30 10:38:06.0 login to vote score 2
    impasse: How long?

    187 years.
    quick1 501 2012-05-30 10:38:51.0 login to vote score 0
    flashlv: They can't take something that is in digital format though. You guys have argued this a thousand times on bN!

    Nice for you to move the goal posts Osiris.


    That's why the government took the servers themselves.
    quick1 501 2012-05-30 10:41:39.0 login to vote score 0
    flashlv: It's this guys own fault for having allegedly only having one copy.

    He should be allowed the data if he pays for the time it takes to get the data.

    So yes, they should be allowed to get their data if they pay for the labor to get the files to him.


    He had two copies. His hard drive failed about the same time the Megaupload servers were seized.
    flashlv 1657 2012-05-30 10:52:48.0 login to vote score 0
    osirisothedead: I'm not sure we need yet another reference to a thread where you were consistently wrong. There's already a whole plethora of them.

    Then why dsd you say It's not stealing if you think It's stealing now?
    osirisothedead 1858 2012-05-30 10:54:14.0 login to vote score 1
    flashlv: Then why dsd you say It's not stealing if you think It's stealing now?

    Making a digital copy of something that doesn't prevent the original copy from being accessible is not stealing. My stance has not changed. Making the only copy unavailable to its rightful owner is stealing.

    If you don't know the difference, please go take a remedial English class.
    flashlv 1657 2012-05-30 10:54:21.0 login to vote score 0
    quinblake: What if it's a linux distro?

    What it is what we are talking about and not something completely different?
    flashlv 1657 2012-05-30 10:55:32.0 login to vote score 0
    osirisothedead: Making a digital copy of something that doesn't prevent the original copy from being accessible is not stealing. My stance has not changed. Making the only copy unavailable to its rightful owner is stealing.

    If you don't know the difference, please go take a remedial English class.


    The copy is accessible though.


    osirisothedead 1858 2012-05-30 10:56:10.0 login to vote score 1
    flashlv: The copy is accessible though.

    Really? Go get a copy, then.
    flashlv 1657 2012-05-30 10:57:48.0 login to vote score 0
    osirisothedead: Really? Go get a copy, then.

    Who is the rightful owner?

    That guy needs to prove he owns it and pay for the retrieval.
    quinblake 1476 2012-05-30 10:57:54.0 login to vote score 1
    flashlv: What it is what we are talking about and not something completely different?

    A linux distro is "a digital file".
    osirisothedead 1858 2012-05-30 10:58:43.0 login to vote score 1
    flashlv: Who is the rightful owner?

    That guy needs to prove he owns it and pay for the retrieval.


    Oh. So if the government snatches your car from a parking space you've paid for, you should have to pay the government to get it back. I see. Good going, flash.
    flashlv 1657 2012-05-30 10:58:57.0 login to vote score 0
    quinblake: A linux distro is "a digital file".

    Like Red Hat?
    osirisothedead 1858 2012-05-30 10:59:27.0 login to vote score 1
    flashlv: Like Red Hat?

    Like most of them. They're downloadable .iso files.
    flashlv 1657 2012-05-30 10:59:29.0 login to vote score 0
    osirisothedead: Oh. So if the government snatches your car from a parking space you've paid for, you should have to pay the government to get it back. I see. Good going, flash.

    Are we talking about cars now?
    osirisothedead 1858 2012-05-30 10:59:53.0 login to vote score 0
    flashlv: Are we talking about cars now?

    I'm using a metaphor to illustrate how dumb you're being.
    flashlv 1657 2012-05-30 10:59:58.0 login to vote score 0
    osirisothedead: Like most of them. They're downloadable .iso files.

    Like licensed Red Hat?
    flashlv 1657 2012-05-30 11:00:50.0 login to vote score 0
    osirisothedead: I'm using a metaphor to illustrate how dumb you're being.

    I'm just using your argument against you :/
    quinblake 1476 2012-05-30 11:00:51.0 login to vote score 1
    flashlv: Like Red Hat?

    Oh look at our little flashy, he can name a linux distribution.
    osirisothedead 1858 2012-05-30 11:01:12.0 login to vote score 1
    flashlv: I'm just using your argument against you :/

    No you're not.
    osirisothedead 1858 2012-05-30 11:01:42.0 login to vote score 2
    quinblake: Oh look at our little flashy, he can name a linux distribution.

    He won't say "Ubuntu", it implies darkies.
    quinblake 1476 2012-05-30 11:02:25.0 login to vote score 1
    osirisothedead: He won't say "Ubuntu", it implies darkies.

    I wonder what "Slackware" implies.
    sabine 745 2012-05-30 11:03:35.0 login to vote score 0
    youralt: I refuse to put anything important on any sort of cloud backup. I don't think it's secure enough for trade secrets, and then this megaupload thing, it can be seized.

    You might be interested in SpiderOak. No passwords ever cross the wire, and they couldn't make your data public even if they wanted to (or a court ordered them to).
    flashlv 1657 2012-05-30 11:08:48.0 login to vote score 0
    osirisothedead: He won't say "Ubuntu", it implies darkies.

    She said any linux distro.

    Red Hat isn't free.
    impasse 820 2012-05-30 11:09:10.0 login to vote score 2
    flashlv: I'm just using your argument against you :/

    So you copied his argument?
    impasse 820 2012-05-30 11:09:30.0 login to vote score 1
    flashlv: Red Hat isn't free.

    Red Hat is a company.
    osirisothedead 1858 2012-05-30 11:11:08.0 login to vote score 1
    flashlv: She said any linux distro.

    Red Hat isn't free.


    And that makes it totally impossible to download it as a digital file?
    flashlv 1657 2012-05-30 11:12:20.0 login to vote score 0
    osirisothedead: And that makes it totally impossible to download it as a digital file?

    Who said that?

    Just using your same argument.
    osirisothedead 1858 2012-05-30 11:13:19.0 login to vote score 0
    flashlv: Who said that?

    Well, quick1 was asking about downloading Linux distros.

    You said "Red Hat" and said it isn't free.

    Um, so?
    quick1 501 2012-05-30 11:13:59.0 login to vote score 0
    osirisothedead: Well, quick1 was asking about downloading Linux distros.

    I what now?
    osirisothedead 1858 2012-05-30 11:14:49.0 login to vote score 3
    quick1: I what now?

    Sorry, quinblake.

    I get you two confused. You both have big knockers.
    quick1 501 2012-05-30 11:15:52.0 login to vote score 1
    osirisothedead: Sorry, quinblake.

    I get you two confused. You both have big knockers.


    My big knocker is singular.
    impasse 820 2012-05-30 11:16:17.0 login to vote score 2
    quick1: My big knocker is singular.

    Is it free?
    osirisothedead 1858 2012-05-30 11:16:41.0 login to vote score 3
    impasse: Is it free?

    quick1_big_knocker.torrent

    It is now.
    cannonhawk 849 2012-05-30 11:23:35.0 login to vote score 0
    quinblake: What if it's a linux distro?

    what's an elchip linux distro?
    pajamas 7950 2012-05-30 11:37:07.0 login to vote score 1
    when you steal something you:

    1. get use of a service, good, or resource without agreed upon payment against the will of the distributor or owner

    2. prevent someone who is the owner, distributor or some agent of theirs from using that service, good, or resource.

    What is kind of interesting here is that when people download songs illegally, they are engaging in 1, but not 2. But the government here is engaging in 2, but not (intentionally) 1. Neither is completely meeting the definition of stealing but both have reasonable downsides and moral dilemmas attached.
    cannonhawk 849 2012-05-30 11:40:55.0 login to vote score 1
    the cloud is fucked.
    little hands of concrete 1804 2012-05-30 11:57:59.0 login to vote score 2
    I believe it was flashlv who introduced the term "stealing" in this thread as though other bNers war accusing the government of doing so.
    clifton 1850 2012-05-30 14:06:50.0 login to vote score 0
    osirisothedead: And that makes it totally impossible to download it as a digital file?

    This proves that he's against distribution of digital wares on the internet, legal or otherwise.
    clifton 1850 2012-05-30 14:11:30.0 login to vote score 0
    flashlv: She said any linux distro.

    Red Hat isn't free.


    CentOS is basically a direct copy of RedHat Enterprise Linux. So, would downloading CentOS be considered piracy in your boom?
    clifton 1850 2012-05-30 14:12:01.0 login to vote score 0
    Boom = book.
    sabine 745 2012-05-30 14:18:50.0 login to vote score 1
    clifton: Boom = book.

    Nope, too late. "piracy in your boom" is too good to pass up.
    clifton 1850 2012-05-30 14:22:03.0 login to vote score 2
    sabine: Nope, too late. "piracy in your boom" is too good to pass up.


    Statbine is bullying me :/


    code_7 6865 2012-05-30 14:27:14.0 login to vote score 0
    flashlv: It's just a digital copy.

    That the fucking owner NO LONGER HAS ACCESS TO.

    Damn you're dumb.
    code_7 6865 2012-05-30 14:40:26.0 login to vote score -1

    And when you dl a movie, Spielberg no longer as access to that movie anymore.

    It's completely the same, don't you see!?!


    code_7 6865 2012-05-30 14:48:19.0 login to vote score -1
    quinblake: I wonder what "Slackware" implies.

    LIBS!!!
    If you logged in, you could post here.