Innocent Megaupload user asks court to order his data returned. Property rights amirite??
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This should be a very, very interesting case to follow for all of us who want to keep online backups on other than our own hardware...pretty much, the entire 'cloud' infrastructure's viability as a business depends on this guy getting his data back.
Hilarious that thus far, they've found just one "innocent" Megauploader user. But he absolutely should get his video returned.
It's just digital information, it's not like the goverment is taking his data away from him.
flashlv: It's just digital information, it's not like the goverment is taking his data away from him.
except they sorta did.
except they sorta did.
flashlv: It's just digital information, it's not like the goverment is taking his data away from him.
If that's the only copy with no way to retrieve it, yes they are.
If that's the only copy with no way to retrieve it, yes they are.
flashlv: It's just digital information, it's not like the goverment is taking his data away from him.
Don't worry, he'll just Netflix his own video.
Heh.
Don't worry, he'll just Netflix his own video.
Heh.
osirisothedead: If that's the only copy with no way to retrieve it, yes they are.
But they aren't stealing the information, because you can't steal anything digital.
But they aren't stealing the information, because you can't steal anything digital.
finnley wren: Hilarious that thus far, they've found just one "innocent" Megauploader user. But he absolutely should get his video returned.
I'm sure there's more, but vetting each one who claims to be innocent for -any- "illicit" activity has got to take a while. It wouldn't do for your 'face' to have a skeleton in his closet, after all.
I'm sure there's more, but vetting each one who claims to be innocent for -any- "illicit" activity has got to take a while. It wouldn't do for your 'face' to have a skeleton in his closet, after all.
flashlv: But they aren't stealing the information, because you can't steal anything digital.
Nice try. Making a digital copy of something is not stealing. Taking away the only digital rendering of something is stealing.
Nice try. Making a digital copy of something is not stealing. Taking away the only digital rendering of something is stealing.
flashlv: The government isn't stealing anything.
You didn't say stealing, you said took.
they did take it, he doesn't have it, and they do.
You didn't say stealing, you said took.
they did take it, he doesn't have it, and they do.
osirisothedead: Nice try. Making a digital copy of something is not stealing. Taking away the only digital rendering of something is stealing.
The government often takes the property of those involved (knowingly or not) in illicit or illegal ventures.
Not saying it's right. Just that there's precedent.
The government often takes the property of those involved (knowingly or not) in illicit or illegal ventures.
Not saying it's right. Just that there's precedent.
osirisothedead: Nice try. Making a digital copy of something is not stealing. Taking away the only digital rendering of something is stealing.
You're trying to get flash to recognize nuance?
Good fucking luck...
You're trying to get flash to recognize nuance?
Good fucking luck...
osirisothedead: Nice try. Making a digital copy of something is not stealing. Taking away the only digital rendering of something is stealing.
They can't take something that is in digital format though. You guys have argued this a thousand times on bN!
Nice for you to move the goal posts Osiris.
They can't take something that is in digital format though. You guys have argued this a thousand times on bN!
Nice for you to move the goal posts Osiris.
flashlv: They can't take something that is in digital format though. You guys have argued this a thousand times on bN!
Nice for you to move the goal posts Osiris.
Nobody has argued that on bN. Ever. Except you right now.
Nice for you to move the goal posts Osiris.
Nobody has argued that on bN. Ever. Except you right now.
youralt: You didn't say stealing, you said took.they did take it, he doesn't have it, and they do.
No one has it, it's in a digital format.
No one has it, it's in a digital format.
finnley wren: Hilarious that thus far, they've found just one "innocent" Megauploader user. But he absolutely should get his video returned.
How is it hilarious?
How is it hilarious?
osirisothedead: Nobody has argued that on bN. Ever. Except you right now.
That's an outright lie. You have said that something that can be copied cannot be stolen.
That's an outright lie. You have said that something that can be copied cannot be stolen.
flashlv: No one has it, it's in a digital format.
How can no one have it? it exists in a digital format on physical media.
How can no one have it? it exists in a digital format on physical media.
flashlv: That's an outright lie. You have said that something that can be copied cannot be stolen.
You know what muninsfire said about nuance? Yeah, well, how can it be copied if the government has seized it?
You know what muninsfire said about nuance? Yeah, well, how can it be copied if the government has seized it?
quinblake: How is it hilarious?
Hilarious because I've heard a number of times about all the folks who used this site (and those like them) for legitimate purposes. That's all.
Hilarious because I've heard a number of times about all the folks who used this site (and those like them) for legitimate purposes. That's all.
osirisothedead: You know what muninsfire said about nuance? Yeah, well, how can it be copied if the government has seized it?
It's just a digital copy.
It's just a digital copy.
flashlv: They can't take something that is in digital format though. You guys have argued this a thousand times on bN!
Nice for you to move the goal posts Osiris.
Oh, it's one of those threads....
well, no.
anyone else want to discuss it?
Nice for you to move the goal posts Osiris.
Oh, it's one of those threads....
well, no.
anyone else want to discuss it?
flashlv: It's just a digital copy.
It's the only digital copy that cannot be copied because the government has seized the physical media that it rests on.
And I'm done with this particular line of arguing because you're being a dumbshit. It's not like there are 187 copies out there.
It's the only digital copy that cannot be copied because the government has seized the physical media that it rests on.
And I'm done with this particular line of arguing because you're being a dumbshit. It's not like there are 187 copies out there.
flashlv: That's an outright lie. You have said that something that can be copied cannot be stolen.
I understand and appreciate your having fun with this. But it is the ONLY copy. That has never been the case in any discussion we've had on bN.
I understand and appreciate your having fun with this. But it is the ONLY copy. That has never been the case in any discussion we've had on bN.
finnley wren: Hilarious because I've heard a number of times about all the folks who used this site (and those like them) for legitimate purposes. That's all.
And all these folks have lost their primary HDDs as well? Oh the hilarity. My sides are splitting.
And all these folks have lost their primary HDDs as well? Oh the hilarity. My sides are splitting.
osirisothedead: It's the only digital copy that cannot be copied because the government has seized the physical media that it rests on.And I'm done with this particular line of arguing because you're being a dumbshit. It's not like there are 187 copies out there.
So you can steal something that is in digital format?
So you can steal something that is in digital format?
youralt: Oh, it's one of those threads....well, no.anyone else want to discuss it?
I would--see my first post above.
The 'cloud' thing depends on the clients for the services having some assurance that they will have access to their data on demand. If other users on the same service could potentially cause seizure of their data by the US government, then no business in their right mind will want to use a 'cloud' service for anything that might be business-critical.
We're talking an industry that in China already exceeds $1bn in investment; it'd be a huge driver for the US economy if the US were to take steps to ensure client data could be adequately safeguarded.
I would--see my first post above.
The 'cloud' thing depends on the clients for the services having some assurance that they will have access to their data on demand. If other users on the same service could potentially cause seizure of their data by the US government, then no business in their right mind will want to use a 'cloud' service for anything that might be business-critical.
We're talking an industry that in China already exceeds $1bn in investment; it'd be a huge driver for the US economy if the US were to take steps to ensure client data could be adequately safeguarded.
flashlv: So you can steal something that is in digital format?
Yes, and nobody on bN has ever said otherwise.
Yes, and nobody on bN has ever said otherwise.
finnley wren: I understand and appreciate your having fun with this. But it is the ONLY copy. That has never been the case in any discussion we've had on bN.
It's probably not the only copy since they might have backups or he may have it on another computer. do you know it's the ONLY copy?
It's probably not the only copy since they might have backups or he may have it on another computer. do you know it's the ONLY copy?
At least finnley gets what I am saying, thank you finnley.
flashlv: It's probably not the only copy since they might have backups or he may have it on another computer. do you know it's the ONLY copy?
Yes, because he read the fucking article.
Yes, because he read the fucking article.
quinblake: And all these folks have lost their primary HDDs as well? Oh the hilarity. My sides are splitting.
Exactly. If it weren't for bad luck, this guy would have no luck at all.
Apparently.
Exactly. If it weren't for bad luck, this guy would have no luck at all.
Apparently.
osirisothedead: Yes, and nobody on bN has ever said otherwise.
So downloading a song illegally is stealing?
So downloading a song illegally is stealing?
flashlv: At least finnley gets what I am saying, thank you finnley.
Yes, finnley understands that you're being an idiot and equating copyright infringement with theft. Again.
Yes, finnley understands that you're being an idiot and equating copyright infringement with theft. Again.
muninsfire: Yes, because he read the fucking article.
He read a copy of it on his local web browser :/
He read a copy of it on his local web browser :/
muninsfire: I would--see my first post above.
The 'cloud' thing depends on the clients for the services having some assurance that they will have access to their data on demand. If other users on the same service could potentially cause seizure of their data by the US government, then no business in their right mind will want to use a 'cloud' service for anything that might be business-critical.
We're talking an industry that in China already exceeds $1bn in investment; it'd be a huge driver for the US economy if the US were to take steps to ensure client data could be adequately safeguarded.
Well I agree with you, so that's no fun.
I refuse to put anything important on any sort of cloud backup. I don't think it's secure enough for trade secrets, and then this megaupload thing, it can be seized.
Once seized you might never get it back, or worse, it may be made public.
The 'cloud' thing depends on the clients for the services having some assurance that they will have access to their data on demand. If other users on the same service could potentially cause seizure of their data by the US government, then no business in their right mind will want to use a 'cloud' service for anything that might be business-critical.
We're talking an industry that in China already exceeds $1bn in investment; it'd be a huge driver for the US economy if the US were to take steps to ensure client data could be adequately safeguarded.
Well I agree with you, so that's no fun.
I refuse to put anything important on any sort of cloud backup. I don't think it's secure enough for trade secrets, and then this megaupload thing, it can be seized.
Once seized you might never get it back, or worse, it may be made public.
flashlv: So downloading a song illegally is stealing?
No, because it doesn't make the original unavailable.
No, because it doesn't make the original unavailable.
It's this guys own fault for having allegedly only having one copy.
He should be allowed the data if he pays for the time it takes to get the data.
So yes, they should be allowed to get their data if they pay for the labor to get the files to him.
He should be allowed the data if he pays for the time it takes to get the data.
So yes, they should be allowed to get their data if they pay for the labor to get the files to him.
flashlv: So downloading a song illegally is stealing?
copyright infringement.
and define illegally.
From a P2P network, or are you illegally hacking into a secure server and downloading it.
copyright infringement.
and define illegally.
From a P2P network, or are you illegally hacking into a secure server and downloading it.
osirisothedead: Yes, finnley understands that you're being an idiot and equating copyright infringement with theft. Again.
You guys have said you cannot steal anything digital, you never qualified.
You guys have said you cannot steal anything digital, you never qualified.
impasse: He read a copy of it on his local web browser :/
Fucking pirate :/
youralt: Well I agree with you, so that's no fun.I refuse to put anything important on any sort of cloud backup. I don't think it's secure enough for trade secrets, and then this megaupload thing, it can be seized.Once seized you might never get it back, or worse, it may be made public.
Personally, I think that shotgunning important things in encrypted archives with non-obvious labels (English_Essay_Ezra_Pound_Backup_$DATE --who's going to want to decrypt -that-?) is adequate for most people, but it's hardly a reasonable strategy for a business.
Fucking pirate :/
youralt: Well I agree with you, so that's no fun.I refuse to put anything important on any sort of cloud backup. I don't think it's secure enough for trade secrets, and then this megaupload thing, it can be seized.Once seized you might never get it back, or worse, it may be made public.
Personally, I think that shotgunning important things in encrypted archives with non-obvious labels (English_Essay_Ezra_Pound_Backup_$DATE --who's going to want to decrypt -that-?) is adequate for most people, but it's hardly a reasonable strategy for a business.
flashlv: It's this guys own fault for having allegedly only having one copy.
He should be allowed the data if he pays for the time it takes to get the data.
So yes, they should be allowed to get their data if they pay for the labor to get the files to him.
He had a physical copy that failed, he had this other backup that was seized, I don't see how it's his fault.
Why should someone have to pay extra labour to get their property back. If your house was robbed would you have to pay the police to return your property to you?
He should be allowed the data if he pays for the time it takes to get the data.
So yes, they should be allowed to get their data if they pay for the labor to get the files to him.
He had a physical copy that failed, he had this other backup that was seized, I don't see how it's his fault.
Why should someone have to pay extra labour to get their property back. If your house was robbed would you have to pay the police to return your property to you?
flashlv: google it yourself in any IP or torrent thread.
No results found for site:www.bannination.com "you cannot steal anything digital".
No results found for site:www.bannination.com "you cannot steal anything digital".
muninsfire: Fucking pirate :/
Personally, I think that shotgunning important things in encrypted archives with non-obvious labels (English_Essay_Ezra_Pound_Backup_$DATE --who's going to want to decrypt -that-?) is adequate for most people, but it's hardly a reasonable strategy for a business.
If it's a formula or private research that is worth money....
Personally, I think that shotgunning important things in encrypted archives with non-obvious labels (English_Essay_Ezra_Pound_Backup_$DATE --who's going to want to decrypt -that-?) is adequate for most people, but it's hardly a reasonable strategy for a business.
If it's a formula or private research that is worth money....
Well, I guess this is a flashit thread and I'll have to look for somewhere else to discuss the importance of data recoverability for the cloud industry.
\Fuck you, flash.
\Fuck you, flash.
youralt: If it's a formula or private research that is worth money....
...then it'd behoove you to protect it in accordance with its worth.
...then it'd behoove you to protect it in accordance with its worth.
youralt: He had a physical copy that failed, he had this other backup that was seized, I don't see how it's his fault.Why should someone have to pay extra labour to get their property back. If your house was robbed would you have to pay the police to return your property to you?
He should have made a local backup.
What property? I was told only property can be stolen, and I have been told by bN'ers that you cannot steal anything that is digital.
He should have made a local backup.
What property? I was told only property can be stolen, and I have been told by bN'ers that you cannot steal anything that is digital.
muninsfire: Well, I guess this is a flashit thread and I'll have to look for somewhere else to discuss the importance of data recoverability for the cloud industry. Fuck you, flash.
bye whiner.
bye whiner.
muninsfire: Well, I guess this is a flashit thread and I'll have to look for somewhere else to discuss the importance of data recoverability for the cloud industry.
Fuck you, flash.
Ignore him.
I still use local and offsite backups here.
I am slighty nervous about cloud storage, the google one, forget it, their terms of service....
My boss is paranoid about it.
Fuck you, flash.
Ignore him.
I still use local and offsite backups here.
I am slighty nervous about cloud storage, the google one, forget it, their terms of service....
My boss is paranoid about it.
flashlv: I was told only property can be stolen, and I have been told by bN'ers that you cannot steal anything that is digital.
No you weren't and no you haven't.
No you weren't and no you haven't.
osirisothedead: No results found for site:www.bannination.com "you cannot steal anything digital".
http://www.bannination.com/comments/5146097/6
Have fun.
http://www.bannination.com/comments/5146097/6
Have fun.
osirisothedead: No you weren't and no you haven't.
So downloading a torrent of a movie or song is stealing?
So downloading a torrent of a movie or song is stealing?
flashlv: http://www.bannination.com/comments/5146097/6
Have fun.
Nothing in that thread is about making a digital rendition of something totally unavailable. :/
Have fun.
Nothing in that thread is about making a digital rendition of something totally unavailable. :/
flashlv: http://www.bannination.com/comments/5146097/6
Have fun.
you drink horse semen.
good to know.
Have fun.
you drink horse semen.
good to know.
flashlv: So downloading a torrent of a movie or song is stealing?
No, because it doesn't make the original unavailable.
No, because it doesn't make the original unavailable.
youralt: Ignore him.I still use local and offsite backups here.I am slighty nervous about cloud storage, the google one, forget it, their terms of service....My boss is paranoid about it.
I do, typically, but it's depressing when every thread he's in devolves to the same damn story every damn time. You could write a five-line python script to recreate every damn thread.
Local + offsite is according to best practices. A strongly encrypted g-drive or similar is adequate for a secondary backup in most cases, but given the current state of data seizure, it's probably best to distribute it in two or three places--and even then, only a limited subset of data.
If you had a friendly company not in direct competition, it might be useful for you to make an agreement to provide offsite storage for encrypted business archives with each other, but that's something that'd require contracts and suchlike to negotiate.
I do, typically, but it's depressing when every thread he's in devolves to the same damn story every damn time. You could write a five-line python script to recreate every damn thread.
Local + offsite is according to best practices. A strongly encrypted g-drive or similar is adequate for a secondary backup in most cases, but given the current state of data seizure, it's probably best to distribute it in two or three places--and even then, only a limited subset of data.
If you had a friendly company not in direct competition, it might be useful for you to make an agreement to provide offsite storage for encrypted business archives with each other, but that's something that'd require contracts and suchlike to negotiate.
If the feds seize your bank accounts, it's your fault for not backing up your money :/
flashlv: So downloading a torrent of a movie or song is stealing?
not at all.
it's just a torrent file.
not at all.
it's just a torrent file.
so vote republican: It's their loss, absolutely. I've said that many times in this thread.But it doesn't mean you're not stealing.
osirisothedead: No, because it doesn't make the original unavailable.
The original is available, just not to him.
The original is available, just not to him.
muninsfire: I do, typically, but it's depressing when every thread he's in devolves to the same damn story every damn time. You could write a five-line python script to recreate every damn thread.
Local + offsite is according to best practices. A strongly encrypted g-drive or similar is adequate for a secondary backup in most cases, but given the current state of data seizure, it's probably best to distribute it in two or three places--and even then, only a limited subset of data.
If you had a friendly company not in direct competition, it might be useful for you to make an agreement to provide offsite storage for encrypted business archives with each other, but that's something that'd require contracts and suchlike to negotiate.
...the offsite is a aerospace company, we are health supplements...
Local + offsite is according to best practices. A strongly encrypted g-drive or similar is adequate for a secondary backup in most cases, but given the current state of data seizure, it's probably best to distribute it in two or three places--and even then, only a limited subset of data.
If you had a friendly company not in direct competition, it might be useful for you to make an agreement to provide offsite storage for encrypted business archives with each other, but that's something that'd require contracts and suchlike to negotiate.
...the offsite is a aerospace company, we are health supplements...
flashlv: The original is available, just not to him.
The original isn't available to the rightful owner because it was made unavailable by the government.
You = dumb.
The original isn't available to the rightful owner because it was made unavailable by the government.
You = dumb.
flashlv: The original is available, just not to him.
So if I steal your car, since it's available to me but not you it's not a problem!
So if I steal your car, since it's available to me but not you it's not a problem!
youralt: ...the offsite is a aerospace company, we are health supplements...
Well, you're doing well, then. Carry on!
Well, you're doing well, then. Carry on!
impasse: So if I steal your car, since it's available to me but not you it's not a problem!
He has 187 cars. :/
He has 187 cars. :/
impasse: So if I steal your car, since it's available to me but not you it's not a problem!
You wouldn't download a car, would you?
\Not when you can just steal Flash's, anyway ;-þ
You wouldn't download a car, would you?
\Not when you can just steal Flash's, anyway ;-þ
fuck you, I could if I would!
would if I could even.
muninsfire: You wouldn't download a car, would you?
Not when you can just steal Flash's, anyway ;-þ
Oh but it's not stealing! It's just making the only one unavailable to the rightful owner.
Not when you can just steal Flash's, anyway ;-þ
Oh but it's not stealing! It's just making the only one unavailable to the rightful owner.
muninsfire: Well, you're doing well, then. Carry on!
yeah, for what we actually do, our backup system is quite robust.
it helps that it's the tester for what the aerospace company does.
yeah, for what we actually do, our backup system is quite robust.
it helps that it's the tester for what the aerospace company does.
muninsfire: I do, typically, but it's depressing when every thread he's in devolves to the same damn story every damn time. You could write a five-line python script to recreate every damn thread.
Local + offsite is according to best practices. A strongly encrypted g-drive or similar is adequate for a secondary backup in most cases, but given the current state of data seizure, it's probably best to distribute it in two or three places--and even then, only a limited subset of data.
If you had a friendly company not in direct competition, it might be useful for you to make an agreement to provide offsite storage for encrypted business archives with each other, but that's something that'd require contracts and suchlike to negotiate.
It's the same thing with phil in any thread that is remotely political and it's the same thing with TBS in any thread while he's conscious. Fun place.
Local + offsite is according to best practices. A strongly encrypted g-drive or similar is adequate for a secondary backup in most cases, but given the current state of data seizure, it's probably best to distribute it in two or three places--and even then, only a limited subset of data.
If you had a friendly company not in direct competition, it might be useful for you to make an agreement to provide offsite storage for encrypted business archives with each other, but that's something that'd require contracts and suchlike to negotiate.
It's the same thing with phil in any thread that is remotely political and it's the same thing with TBS in any thread while he's conscious. Fun place.
osirisothedead: Oh but it's not stealing! It's just making the only one unavailable to the rightful owner.
Somehow this seems familiar
Somehow this seems familiar
youralt: yeah, for what we actually do, our backup system is quite robust.it helps that it's the tester for what the aerospace company does.
Not a bad way to work--assuming disaster doesn't strike both places at once... ;-þ
Not a bad way to work--assuming disaster doesn't strike both places at once... ;-þ
muninsfire: Not a bad way to work--assuming disaster doesn't strike both places at once... ;-þ
well, thousands of kilometers apart....plus the monthlies locked up in a fireproof safe, at another offsite secure facility.
overkill.
well, thousands of kilometers apart....plus the monthlies locked up in a fireproof safe, at another offsite secure facility.
overkill.
flashlv: It's just digital information, it's not like the goverment is taking his data away from him.
You don't really work in IT, do you?
You don't really work in IT, do you?
osirisothedead: The original isn't available to the rightful owner because it was made unavailable by the government.You = dumb.
There is no rightful owner since it's in digital format. You guys have said this. :(
There is no rightful owner since it's in digital format. You guys have said this. :(
fatsean: You don't really work in IT, do you?
I have been in IT longer than most people on this site.
I have been in IT longer than most people on this site.
flashlv: There is no rightful owner since it's in digital format. You guys have said this. :(
Nobody has ever said that.
Nobody has ever said that.
So, just to clarify, is it stealing to illegally download a digital copy of something?
flashlv: I have been in IT longer than most people on this site.
Well, I would never hire you. Your technical expertise is severely lacking.
Well, I would never hire you. Your technical expertise is severely lacking.
osirisothedead: Well, I would never hire you. Your technical expertise is severely lacking.
I don't need a job though, just got promoted yesterday to App Support manager.
I don't need a job though, just got promoted yesterday to App Support manager.
flashlv: I even quoted someone who did say that
No you didn't. You quoted SVR who voiced his opinion that piracy is stealing.
No you didn't. You quoted SVR who voiced his opinion that piracy is stealing.
osirisothedead: No you didn't. You quoted SVR who voiced his opinion that piracy is stealing.
No, he said downloading a digital copy isn't stealing.
No, he said downloading a digital copy isn't stealing.
Well this was fun and a great place to point back to the next thread where someone says downloading a digital file isn't stealing.
flashlv: No, he said downloading a digital copy isn't stealing.
Read the quote again.
so vote republican: It's their loss, absolutely. I've said that many times in this thread.But it doesn't mean you're not stealing.
See the word "not" there?
Read the quote again.
so vote republican: It's their loss, absolutely. I've said that many times in this thread.But it doesn't mean you're not stealing.
See the word "not" there?
flashlv: Well this was fun and a great place to point back to the next thread where someone says downloading a digital file isn't stealing.
I'm not sure we need yet another reference to a thread where you were consistently wrong. There's already a whole plethora of them.
I'm not sure we need yet another reference to a thread where you were consistently wrong. There's already a whole plethora of them.
flashlv: Well this was fun and a great place to point back to the next thread where someone says downloading a digital file isn't stealing.
What if it's a linux distro?
What if it's a linux distro?
flashlv: I don't need a job though, just got promoted yesterday to App Support manager.
So you're in charge of clicking "Next" in the wizards?
So you're in charge of clicking "Next" in the wizards?
flashlv: They can't take something that is in digital format though. You guys have argued this a thousand times on bN!
Nice for you to move the goal posts Osiris.
That's why the government took the servers themselves.
Nice for you to move the goal posts Osiris.
That's why the government took the servers themselves.
flashlv: It's this guys own fault for having allegedly only having one copy.
He should be allowed the data if he pays for the time it takes to get the data.
So yes, they should be allowed to get their data if they pay for the labor to get the files to him.
He had two copies. His hard drive failed about the same time the Megaupload servers were seized.
He should be allowed the data if he pays for the time it takes to get the data.
So yes, they should be allowed to get their data if they pay for the labor to get the files to him.
He had two copies. His hard drive failed about the same time the Megaupload servers were seized.
osirisothedead: I'm not sure we need yet another reference to a thread where you were consistently wrong. There's already a whole plethora of them.
Then why dsd you say It's not stealing if you think It's stealing now?
Then why dsd you say It's not stealing if you think It's stealing now?
flashlv: Then why dsd you say It's not stealing if you think It's stealing now?
Making a digital copy of something that doesn't prevent the original copy from being accessible is not stealing. My stance has not changed. Making the only copy unavailable to its rightful owner is stealing.
If you don't know the difference, please go take a remedial English class.
Making a digital copy of something that doesn't prevent the original copy from being accessible is not stealing. My stance has not changed. Making the only copy unavailable to its rightful owner is stealing.
If you don't know the difference, please go take a remedial English class.
quinblake: What if it's a linux distro?
What it is what we are talking about and not something completely different?
What it is what we are talking about and not something completely different?
osirisothedead: Making a digital copy of something that doesn't prevent the original copy from being accessible is not stealing. My stance has not changed. Making the only copy unavailable to its rightful owner is stealing.
If you don't know the difference, please go take a remedial English class.
The copy is accessible though.
If you don't know the difference, please go take a remedial English class.
The copy is accessible though.
osirisothedead: Really? Go get a copy, then.
Who is the rightful owner?
That guy needs to prove he owns it and pay for the retrieval.
Who is the rightful owner?
That guy needs to prove he owns it and pay for the retrieval.
flashlv: What it is what we are talking about and not something completely different?
A linux distro is "a digital file".
A linux distro is "a digital file".
flashlv: Who is the rightful owner?
That guy needs to prove he owns it and pay for the retrieval.
Oh. So if the government snatches your car from a parking space you've paid for, you should have to pay the government to get it back. I see. Good going, flash.
That guy needs to prove he owns it and pay for the retrieval.
Oh. So if the government snatches your car from a parking space you've paid for, you should have to pay the government to get it back. I see. Good going, flash.
osirisothedead: Oh. So if the government snatches your car from a parking space you've paid for, you should have to pay the government to get it back. I see. Good going, flash.
Are we talking about cars now?
Are we talking about cars now?
osirisothedead: I'm using a metaphor to illustrate how dumb you're being.
I'm just using your argument against you :/
I'm just using your argument against you :/
quinblake: Oh look at our little flashy, he can name a linux distribution.
He won't say "Ubuntu", it implies darkies.
He won't say "Ubuntu", it implies darkies.
youralt: I refuse to put anything important on any sort of cloud backup. I don't think it's secure enough for trade secrets, and then this megaupload thing, it can be seized.
You might be interested in SpiderOak. No passwords ever cross the wire, and they couldn't make your data public even if they wanted to (or a court ordered them to).
You might be interested in SpiderOak. No passwords ever cross the wire, and they couldn't make your data public even if they wanted to (or a court ordered them to).
osirisothedead: He won't say "Ubuntu", it implies darkies.
She said any linux distro.
Red Hat isn't free.
She said any linux distro.
Red Hat isn't free.
flashlv: She said any linux distro.
Red Hat isn't free.
And that makes it totally impossible to download it as a digital file?
Red Hat isn't free.
And that makes it totally impossible to download it as a digital file?
osirisothedead: And that makes it totally impossible to download it as a digital file?
Who said that?
Just using your same argument.
Who said that?
Just using your same argument.
flashlv: Who said that?
Well, quick1 was asking about downloading Linux distros.
You said "Red Hat" and said it isn't free.
Um, so?
Well, quick1 was asking about downloading Linux distros.
You said "Red Hat" and said it isn't free.
Um, so?
osirisothedead: Sorry, quinblake.
I get you two confused. You both have big knockers.
My big knocker is singular.
I get you two confused. You both have big knockers.
My big knocker is singular.
when you steal something you:
1. get use of a service, good, or resource without agreed upon payment against the will of the distributor or owner
2. prevent someone who is the owner, distributor or some agent of theirs from using that service, good, or resource.
What is kind of interesting here is that when people download songs illegally, they are engaging in 1, but not 2. But the government here is engaging in 2, but not (intentionally) 1. Neither is completely meeting the definition of stealing but both have reasonable downsides and moral dilemmas attached.
1. get use of a service, good, or resource without agreed upon payment against the will of the distributor or owner
2. prevent someone who is the owner, distributor or some agent of theirs from using that service, good, or resource.
What is kind of interesting here is that when people download songs illegally, they are engaging in 1, but not 2. But the government here is engaging in 2, but not (intentionally) 1. Neither is completely meeting the definition of stealing but both have reasonable downsides and moral dilemmas attached.
the cloud is fucked.
I believe it was flashlv who introduced the term "stealing" in this thread as though other bNers war accusing the government of doing so.
osirisothedead: And that makes it totally impossible to download it as a digital file?
This proves that he's against distribution of digital wares on the internet, legal or otherwise.
This proves that he's against distribution of digital wares on the internet, legal or otherwise.
flashlv: She said any linux distro.
Red Hat isn't free.
CentOS is basically a direct copy of RedHat Enterprise Linux. So, would downloading CentOS be considered piracy in your boom?
Red Hat isn't free.
CentOS is basically a direct copy of RedHat Enterprise Linux. So, would downloading CentOS be considered piracy in your boom?
Boom = book.
flashlv: It's just a digital copy.
That the fucking owner NO LONGER HAS ACCESS TO.
Damn you're dumb.
That the fucking owner NO LONGER HAS ACCESS TO.
Damn you're dumb.
And when you dl a movie, Spielberg no longer as access to that movie anymore.
It's completely the same, don't you see!?!
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