You should know your experiment in a unified currency is over when two of your nations are in the throes of a bank run and the head of your bank calls your shit unsustainable
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It's over. The Western world won't survive in its present form to Christmas.
czarangelus: It's over. The Western world won't survive in its present form to Christmas.
How much silver would you like to bet on that, and can you define "present form" more accurately?
How much silver would you like to bet on that, and can you define "present form" more accurately?
czarangelus: It's over. The Western world won't survive in its present form to Christmas.
Present? Christmas? Ha ha! I get it!
Present? Christmas? Ha ha! I get it!
so vote republican: How much silver would you like to bet on that, and can you define "present form" more accurately?
I don't think everyone in America will become mindless, soulless cannibals feasting on brains. I don't think you'll be able to buy a loaf of bread for $5.
I don't think everyone in America will become mindless, soulless cannibals feasting on brains. I don't think you'll be able to buy a loaf of bread for $5.
czarangelus: I don't think everyone in America will become mindless, soulless cannibals feasting on brains. I don't think you'll be able to buy a loaf of bread for $5.
You're just hoping for it at this point. And it's getting tiresome.
You're just hoping for it at this point. And it's getting tiresome.
finnley wren: You're just hoping for it at this point. And it's getting tiresome.
it's the goddamn facts
it's the goddamn facts
czarangelus: I don't think everyone in America will become mindless, soulless cannibals feasting on brains. I don't think you'll be able to buy a loaf of bread for $5.
Okay, how much silver would you like to bet that a $5 bill issued today will buy a loaf of plan white sliced bread on 12/26/12?
Okay, how much silver would you like to bet that a $5 bill issued today will buy a loaf of plan white sliced bread on 12/26/12?
finnley wren: Well, I've bookmarked the thread. We'll talk at Christmas.
Yes, but you'll have to communicate by rapping out Morse code on the skulls of the dead.
Yes, but you'll have to communicate by rapping out Morse code on the skulls of the dead.
czarangelus: it's the goddamn facts
Funny how when former Goldman Sachs hedge fun managers spout your favored doom and gloom narrative, you suddenly agree with them.
Funny how when former Goldman Sachs hedge fun managers spout your favored doom and gloom narrative, you suddenly agree with them.
grotfabrieken rubbishhausen: Yes, but you'll have to communicate by rapping out Morse code on the skulls of the dead.
Hilarious. Wish I had more cool points to give.
Hilarious. Wish I had more cool points to give.
libs keep banning me: Funny how when former Goldman Sachs hedge fun managers spout your favored doom and gloom narrative, you suddenly agree with them.
What's funny is that things have been doom and gloom for 30 years in America's inner cities. Ravaged by poverty and disproportionate law enforcement, unable to build businesses or get an education, with no hope and no plan for the future and a malaise of indifference and violence sweeping their communities... all I'm saying is, "You're next, honky."
What's funny is that things have been doom and gloom for 30 years in America's inner cities. Ravaged by poverty and disproportionate law enforcement, unable to build businesses or get an education, with no hope and no plan for the future and a malaise of indifference and violence sweeping their communities... all I'm saying is, "You're next, honky."
czarangelus: What's funny is that things have been doom and gloom for 30 years in America's inner cities. Ravaged by poverty and disproportionate law enforcement, unable to build businesses or get an education, with no hope and no plan for the future and a malaise of indifference and violence sweeping their communities... all I'm saying is, "You're next, honky."
czarangelus: I don't think everyone in America will become mindless, soulless cannibals feasting on brains. I don't think you'll be able to buy a loaf of bread for $5.
Is the bet whether I'll be able to find a loaf of bread for $5 after christmas? Shirley, you can't be serious.
Is the bet whether I'll be able to find a loaf of bread for $5 after christmas? Shirley, you can't be serious.
grotfabrieken rubbishhausen: I don't remember that one. It's beautiful.
Think we just witnessed its birth.
Think we just witnessed its birth.
This is what America looks like for millions and millions of people, whole generations of people on the school to prison assembly line, mostly for non-violent drug crime. Parts of America may as well be Mexico City or Kolkatta, it's just you pass those exits on the freeways without getting off. But now the rot is spreading, and now it's gonna be white people and middle class people and suburbs that discover what it's been like for decades.
Hell, my parents' subdivision has had a recent spate of home invasions. They're located right off a golf course in suburban San Diego; rich country for rich richies. And half a dozen homes have been brazenly entered during daylight hours and valuables carted off.
czarangelus:
You sound so sheltered and white czar.
I traversed the real-world neighborhoods depicted in The Wire starting around age 11, until I moved out of the city at 19. Sure, there's injustice and sure, we should endeavor to fix it, bit consider me unafraid. I'm sorry you grew up in a well-off vacuum of whiteness and are afraid of America's urban population. I am not. For the most part, they're all good honest people. Cities are the most densely populated impoverished areas in the country, so naturally, they produce the most horror stories. And people like you who have never spent time in the neighborhoods you're so frightened of have literally no idea what you're talking about.
You sound so sheltered and white czar.
I traversed the real-world neighborhoods depicted in The Wire starting around age 11, until I moved out of the city at 19. Sure, there's injustice and sure, we should endeavor to fix it, bit consider me unafraid. I'm sorry you grew up in a well-off vacuum of whiteness and are afraid of America's urban population. I am not. For the most part, they're all good honest people. Cities are the most densely populated impoverished areas in the country, so naturally, they produce the most horror stories. And people like you who have never spent time in the neighborhoods you're so frightened of have literally no idea what you're talking about.
czarangelus: Hell, my parents' subdivision has had a recent spate of home invasions. They're located right off a golf course in suburban San Diego; rich country for rich richies. And half a dozen homes have been brazenly entered during daylight hours and valuables carted off.
I live in San Diego. Any place off a gold course is wanna-be rich country for middle-class wanna-be richies.
It also means you can deliver my silver in person when you're home for the holidays. How much did you want to bet again?
I live in San Diego. Any place off a gold course is wanna-be rich country for middle-class wanna-be richies.
It also means you can deliver my silver in person when you're home for the holidays. How much did you want to bet again?
czarangelus: People are stealing copper out of air conditioners - Sunni triangle, or South Carolina?
In Kansas an entirely family was slaughtered in cold blood!
In Kansas an entirely family was slaughtered in cold blood!
Look at the agony in Greece; that is what WILL come to America. Broke homeless oldsters shooting themselves in front of banks.
czarangelus: Look at the agony in Greece; that is what WILL come to America. Broke homeless oldsters shooting themselves in front of banks.
Destitute people the world over have been doing this forever. Even if everyone was getting paid in silver flecks and unemployment was at 0% there'd be people publicly an heroing over some grievance.
Guess what else people have been doing forever? Stealing copper and pretty much any scrap metal they can get their hands on.
Destitute people the world over have been doing this forever. Even if everyone was getting paid in silver flecks and unemployment was at 0% there'd be people publicly an heroing over some grievance.
Guess what else people have been doing forever? Stealing copper and pretty much any scrap metal they can get their hands on.
silver is getting rather cheap...and the Dollar Bulls are stepping up.
You're all fucking right. Why didn't I see this before? Things only ever get better, and things have never before been better than they are today. Preparing for an uncertain future is a sucker's game; I should go buy a jet ski on credit at 19.99% APR, because everything is under control and my raises will always keep up with inflation, as they have my entire adult life.
Solving a debt crisis with more debt is obvious, indeed, only answer. It's a brilliant plan hatched by Nobel prize winning geniuses, and it will succeed admirably if we just give them a little more time.
czarangelus: You're all fucking right. Why didn't I see this before? Things only ever get better, and things have never before been better than they are today. Preparing for an uncertain future is a sucker's game; I should go buy a jet ski on credit at 19.99% APR, because everything is under control and my raises will always keep up with inflation, as they have my entire adult life.
I'm not asking you to buy a jet-ski.
I'm asking you about a specific prediction regarding the price of bread in dollars.
I'm not asking you to buy a jet-ski.
I'm asking you about a specific prediction regarding the price of bread in dollars.
fatsean: silver is getting rather cheap...and the Dollar Bulls are stepping up.
SVR said that would happen, as did TBS. I played it a little more conservatively and have no regrets from doing so. Sure, I could have afforded more silver now than I could have last year at $38. But that's irrelevant to me. I believe that the window of collapse will be much shorter than other members of this community apparently believe, and I'd rather have some silver in hand at any price than take the risk that Europe and the USA sink in absolute tandem in the age of lightspeed trading.
SVR said that would happen, as did TBS. I played it a little more conservatively and have no regrets from doing so. Sure, I could have afforded more silver now than I could have last year at $38. But that's irrelevant to me. I believe that the window of collapse will be much shorter than other members of this community apparently believe, and I'd rather have some silver in hand at any price than take the risk that Europe and the USA sink in absolute tandem in the age of lightspeed trading.
czarangelus: SVR said that would happen, as did TBS. I played it a little more conservatively and have no regrets from doing so. Sure, I could have afforded more silver now than I could have last year at $38. But that's irrelevant to me. I believe that the window of collapse will be much shorter than other members of this community apparently believe, and I'd rather have some silver in hand at any price than take the risk that Europe and the USA sink in absolute tandem in the age of lightspeed trading.
czarangelus: Solving a debt crisis with more debt is obvious, indeed, only answer. It's a brilliant plan hatched by Nobel prize winning geniuses, and it will succeed admirably if we just give them a little more time.
I quote from the zerohedge article in the queue:
"All that is left is the Dollar and Gold".
The dollar *and* gold. Not just gold.
I quote from the zerohedge article in the queue:
"All that is left is the Dollar and Gold".
The dollar *and* gold. Not just gold.
czarangelus: SVR said that would happen, as did TBS. I played it a little more conservatively and have no regrets from doing so. Sure, I could have afforded more silver now than I could have last year at $38. But that's irrelevant to me. I believe that the window of collapse will be much shorter than other members of this community apparently believe, and I'd rather have some silver in hand at any price than take the risk that Europe and the USA sink in absolute tandem in the age of lightspeed trading.
To be fair, TBS told me first, and I thought about it and had to agree with his reasoning.
To be fair, TBS told me first, and I thought about it and had to agree with his reasoning.
czarangelus: SVR said that would happen, as did TBS. I played it a little more conservatively and have no regrets from doing so. Sure, I could have afforded more silver now than I could have last year at $38. But that's irrelevant to me. I believe that the window of collapse will be much shorter than other members of this community apparently believe, and I'd rather have some silver in hand at any price than take the risk that Europe and the USA sink in absolute tandem in the age of lightspeed trading.
I got out of silver in the high 30s and into a bullish dollar fund that's up and climbing higher. When I lose my nerve I'm going to reverse that play with some profits extracted.
Probably when the Euro stabilizes.
I got out of silver in the high 30s and into a bullish dollar fund that's up and climbing higher. When I lose my nerve I'm going to reverse that play with some profits extracted.
Probably when the Euro stabilizes.
so vote republican: I quote from the zerohedge article in the queue:
"All that is left is the Dollar and Gold".
The dollar *and* gold. Not just gold.
How dare you bother to read!
"All that is left is the Dollar and Gold".
The dollar *and* gold. Not just gold.
How dare you bother to read!
so vote republican: I quote from the zerohedge article in the queue:
"All that is left is the Dollar and Gold".
The dollar *and* gold. Not just gold.
I don't think the Euro will go away. I'm pondering buying in soon...
"All that is left is the Dollar and Gold".
The dollar *and* gold. Not just gold.
I don't think the Euro will go away. I'm pondering buying in soon...
fatsean: I got out of silver in the high 30s and into a bullish dollar fund that's up and climbing higher. When I lose my nerve I'm going to reverse that play with some profits extracted.
Probably when the Euro stabilizes.
The Euro will never stabilize. Spain and Italy are trash, and Germany is no conservative core like the propaganda says. Germany is overleveraged too, and they won't even be able to bail themselves out when that fact becomes understood at a later date.
Probably when the Euro stabilizes.
The Euro will never stabilize. Spain and Italy are trash, and Germany is no conservative core like the propaganda says. Germany is overleveraged too, and they won't even be able to bail themselves out when that fact becomes understood at a later date.
fatsean: I don't think the Euro will go away. I'm pondering buying in soon...
I think it's entirely likely it will go away to be honest.
I think it's entirely likely it will go away to be honest.
so vote republican: I quote from the zerohedge article in the queue:
"All that is left is the Dollar and Gold".
The dollar *and* gold. Not just gold.
Well, I disagree with that analyst. There's no way our politicians won't spend 10x the dollar deflation of a real flight to safety in the dollar, and all the evidence shows BRICS and even staunchly loyal satrapies like Japan abandoning the dollar for international trade.
"All that is left is the Dollar and Gold".
The dollar *and* gold. Not just gold.
Well, I disagree with that analyst. There's no way our politicians won't spend 10x the dollar deflation of a real flight to safety in the dollar, and all the evidence shows BRICS and even staunchly loyal satrapies like Japan abandoning the dollar for international trade.
czarangelus: The Euro will never stabilize. Spain and Italy are trash, and Germany is no conservative core like the propaganda says. Germany is overleveraged too, and they won't even be able to bail themselves out when that fact becomes understood at a later date.
But it is all relative. Euro, Dollar, maybe the Pound Sterling...and? and?
I think people will be bouncing back and forth between these things for quite some time.
But it is all relative. Euro, Dollar, maybe the Pound Sterling...and? and?
I think people will be bouncing back and forth between these things for quite some time.
so vote republican: I think it's entirely likely it will go away to be honest.
If it does, the resulting turmoil should be interesting to see.
I'm considering getting into the Pound as well given this recent flight to the Dollar
If it does, the resulting turmoil should be interesting to see.
I'm considering getting into the Pound as well given this recent flight to the Dollar
fatsean: But it is all relative. Euro, Dollar, maybe the Pound Sterling...and? and?
I think people will be bouncing back and forth between these things for quite some time.
Pound sterling? There's the biggest lunatics of all, save maybe the Japanese. England's debt/GDP ratio is 900%+ when you factor in all public and private debt, and God only knows how much losses there are in derivatives floating around. People bandy around the phrase "quadrillion" when it comes to that
I think people will be bouncing back and forth between these things for quite some time.
Pound sterling? There's the biggest lunatics of all, save maybe the Japanese. England's debt/GDP ratio is 900%+ when you factor in all public and private debt, and God only knows how much losses there are in derivatives floating around. People bandy around the phrase "quadrillion" when it comes to that
czarangelus: Pound sterling? There's the biggest lunatics of all, save maybe the Japanese. England's debt/GDP ratio is 900%+ when you factor in all public and private debt, and God only knows how much losses there are in derivatives floating around. People bandy around the phrase "quadrillion" when it comes to that
I guess all the Euros might flee to the Dollar alone if it becomes clear the Euro will die...but the Pound has history and its local. I'm willing to place a wager on that.
I guess all the Euros might flee to the Dollar alone if it becomes clear the Euro will die...but the Pound has history and its local. I'm willing to place a wager on that.
fatsean: I guess all the Euros might flee to the Dollar alone if it becomes clear the Euro will die...but the Pound has history and its local. I'm willing to place a wager on that.
Normalcy bias kills.
Normalcy bias kills.
czarangelus: I don't think everyone in America will become mindless, soulless cannibals feasting on brains. I don't think you'll be able to buy a loaf of bread for $5.
A loaf of bread is already $5 here, as is a gallon of milk.
Pussy is cheap tho.
A loaf of bread is already $5 here, as is a gallon of milk.
Pussy is cheap tho.
czarangelus: Well, I disagree with that analyst. There's no way our politicians won't spend 10x the dollar deflation of a real flight to safety in the dollar, and all the evidence shows BRICS and even staunchly loyal satrapies like Japan abandoning the dollar for international trade.
Here's the deal though czar. You're a bright fellow. That's good.
The problem is you don't quite yet realize what it's like being a bright fellow surrounded by a sea of self-convinced morons. That's bad.
They will never stop being morons. Ever. They will never learn. While some undoubtedly wish to, they cannot. Most, of course, refuse utterly, as it impossible to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. They will never stop stuffing leaves into their shirts and congratulating themselves on monetary expansion.
And if something goes wrong they will complain that they didn't stuff hard enough. US dollars are the leaves in fashion for going on a century now, and it will take a lot more insanity than a Euro failure to change that.
That this will happen, of course, is inevitable, but markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.
What you need to do rather than shout at the insanity is ride it like the tides of an ocean. You're smart enough to do so. Someday the Earth will be enveloped by the sun. Someday the last star will wink out of a dark and dead sky.
And someday the last US dollar will be mounted in a framed collection in a museum hundreds of light years from here.
If we're lucky.
None of those things need matter to you. And indeed shouldn't.
Just ride it out and be prepared by being prepared to be prepared rather than standing starkly alert at every moment. That's no fun and no way to live life. Especially for someone smart.
Here's the deal though czar. You're a bright fellow. That's good.
The problem is you don't quite yet realize what it's like being a bright fellow surrounded by a sea of self-convinced morons. That's bad.
They will never stop being morons. Ever. They will never learn. While some undoubtedly wish to, they cannot. Most, of course, refuse utterly, as it impossible to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. They will never stop stuffing leaves into their shirts and congratulating themselves on monetary expansion.
And if something goes wrong they will complain that they didn't stuff hard enough. US dollars are the leaves in fashion for going on a century now, and it will take a lot more insanity than a Euro failure to change that.
That this will happen, of course, is inevitable, but markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.
What you need to do rather than shout at the insanity is ride it like the tides of an ocean. You're smart enough to do so. Someday the Earth will be enveloped by the sun. Someday the last star will wink out of a dark and dead sky.
And someday the last US dollar will be mounted in a framed collection in a museum hundreds of light years from here.
If we're lucky.
None of those things need matter to you. And indeed shouldn't.
Just ride it out and be prepared by being prepared to be prepared rather than standing starkly alert at every moment. That's no fun and no way to live life. Especially for someone smart.
czarangelus: Look at the agony in Greece; that is what WILL come to America.
We aren't like Greece in the ways that matter economically.
We aren't like Greece in the ways that matter economically.
blandly pompous: We aren't like Greece in the ways that matter economically.
The primary way we are different from Greece is that we can devalue our currency at will. This is precisely what czar says will be happening.
The primary way we are different from Greece is that we can devalue our currency at will. This is precisely what czar says will be happening.
czarangelus: It's over. The Western world won't survive in its present form to Christmas.
Central banks will keep it running well past Xmas. Ironically, Spain may leave the EU before Greece (because they can).
Central banks will keep it running well past Xmas. Ironically, Spain may leave the EU before Greece (because they can).
so vote republican: The primary way we are different from Greece is that we can devalue our currency at will. This is precisely what czar says will be happening.
Actually the primary way we are difference from Greece is that our citizens generally pay their goddam taxes.
Actually the primary way we are difference from Greece is that our citizens generally pay their goddam taxes.
so vote republican: The primary way we are different from Greece is that we can devalue our currency at will. This is precisely what czar says will be happening.
Morsoe than that we have an actual functioning economy with a manufacturing base where 25% of the Greek economy (with zero manufacturing) is done under the table and the government there controls a majority of the actual economy/GDP.
Morsoe than that we have an actual functioning economy with a manufacturing base where 25% of the Greek economy (with zero manufacturing) is done under the table and the government there controls a majority of the actual economy/GDP.
libs keep banning me: Actually the primary way we are difference from Greece is that our citizens generally pay their goddam taxes.
The rich AND the middle-class don't pay their taxes in Greece.
The rich AND the middle-class don't pay their taxes in Greece.
libs keep banning me: Actually the primary way we are difference from Greece is that our citizens generally pay their goddam taxes.
Setting aside the forty vacation days and all that other European crap.
Setting aside the forty vacation days and all that other European crap.
libs keep banning me: Actually the primary way we are difference from Greece is that our citizens generally pay their goddam taxes.
We also can borrow money at really low interest rates, mainly because we're still seen as the safe harbor investment-wise (the US won't default on its bonds).
We also can borrow money at really low interest rates, mainly because we're still seen as the safe harbor investment-wise (the US won't default on its bonds).
finnley wren: Setting aside the forty vacation days and all that other European crap.
So true. Greeks work 20-30 years and then demand 20-40 of government retirement services at nearly their same standard of living FOR RETIRING AT AGE 50!!
You can't make this shit up.
So true. Greeks work 20-30 years and then demand 20-40 of government retirement services at nearly their same standard of living FOR RETIRING AT AGE 50!!
You can't make this shit up.
so vote republican:
Here's the deal though czar. You're a bright fellow. That's good.
The problem is you don't quite yet realize what it's like being a bright fellow surrounded by a sea of self-convinced morons. That's bad.
Ah, at some point I realized who my heroes were, and judging by the kinds of examples they set I'm well and truly stuck.
Lately it's been Lia Dragonell of the World Salvation Committee
Here's the deal though czar. You're a bright fellow. That's good.
The problem is you don't quite yet realize what it's like being a bright fellow surrounded by a sea of self-convinced morons. That's bad.
Ah, at some point I realized who my heroes were, and judging by the kinds of examples they set I'm well and truly stuck.
Lately it's been Lia Dragonell of the World Salvation Committee
Just imaginie how fucked up the U.S. budget would be if the official retirement age had been 50 for a few decades?
No wonder the bureaucrats/government trying to stay in power was cooking the books.
Lol.
No wonder the bureaucrats/government trying to stay in power was cooking the books.
Lol.
the bon_scott: Just imaginie how fucked up the U.S. budget would be if the official retirement age had been 50 for a few decades?
No wonder the bureaucrats/government trying to stay in power was cooking the books.
Lol.
Now the Germans are expected to retire at 90 to pay for it....
No wonder the bureaucrats/government trying to stay in power was cooking the books.
Lol.
Now the Germans are expected to retire at 90 to pay for it....
the bon_scott: Just imaginie how fucked up the U.S. budget would be if the official retirement age had been 50 for a few decades?
No wonder the bureaucrats/government trying to stay in power was cooking the books.
Lol.
Actually if we hadn't had any of the unnecessary protracted wars after World War II*, we would probably be sitting pretty with a retirement age of 58 - 60 with money left over to actually 'trickle down' on the less well off and keep them from sleeping under I-95.
*note, I don't mean ended further atomic development or the elimination of the defense department or anything, I'm talking full blown military proxy engagements that have pretty much gained us nothing and wasted huge amounts of money, materials, and lives
No wonder the bureaucrats/government trying to stay in power was cooking the books.
Lol.
Actually if we hadn't had any of the unnecessary protracted wars after World War II*, we would probably be sitting pretty with a retirement age of 58 - 60 with money left over to actually 'trickle down' on the less well off and keep them from sleeping under I-95.
*note, I don't mean ended further atomic development or the elimination of the defense department or anything, I'm talking full blown military proxy engagements that have pretty much gained us nothing and wasted huge amounts of money, materials, and lives
czarangelus: Now the Germans are expected to retire at 90 to pay for it....
Not 90, but the Germans raised their retirement age (pragmatically), while southern struggling EU members refuse to take such commen step steps yet they demand that Germany keeps bailing them out.
You can't make this shit up.
Now you know where bN libs like gradivus, cannhawk and FMB, etc., come from.
Not 90, but the Germans raised their retirement age (pragmatically), while southern struggling EU members refuse to take such commen step steps yet they demand that Germany keeps bailing them out.
You can't make this shit up.
Now you know where bN libs like gradivus, cannhawk and FMB, etc., come from.
libs keep banning me: Actually if we hadn't had any of the unnecessary protracted wars after World War II*, we would probably be sitting pretty with a retirement age of 58 - 60 with money left over to actually 'trickle down' on the less well off and keep them from sleeping under I-95.*note, I don't mean ended further atomic development or the elimination of the defense department or anything, I'm talking full blown military proxy engagements that have pretty much gained us nothing and wasted huge amounts of money, materials, and lives
Everybody who denies demographics (i.e. longer life expectancies) should sign up for the nearest ponzi scheme they can find.
Everybody who denies demographics (i.e. longer life expectancies) should sign up for the nearest ponzi scheme they can find.
the bon_scott: Everybody who denies demographics (i.e. longer life expectancies) should sign up for the nearest ponzi scheme they can find.
Yeah, that's why I used a more realistic hypothetical 'Golden Age' retirement of 58-60, instead of 50. As it stands in the current 'Corn Turd Age', we probably need a retirement age of 68, hope that most people making $50k or less a year die around that time, and some kind of (probably mandatory) forfeiture of benefits for people who don't 'need' them.
Yeah, that's why I used a more realistic hypothetical 'Golden Age' retirement of 58-60, instead of 50. As it stands in the current 'Corn Turd Age', we probably need a retirement age of 68, hope that most people making $50k or less a year die around that time, and some kind of (probably mandatory) forfeiture of benefits for people who don't 'need' them.
libs keep banning me: Yeah, that's why I used a more realistic hypothetical 'Golden Age' retirement of 58-60, instead of 50. As it stands in the current 'Corn Turd Age', we probably need a retirement age of 68, hope that most people making $50k or less a year die around that time, and some kind of (probably mandatory) forfeiture of benefits for people who don't 'need' them.
I don't mind rich people, like me, getting denied medicare and social security benefits. I simply don't care. But a lot of poor and middle-class people are living into their 80's these days and many of them are GOPers demanding that nobody has to pay for it.
Lol.
I don't mind rich people, like me, getting denied medicare and social security benefits. I simply don't care. But a lot of poor and middle-class people are living into their 80's these days and many of them are GOPers demanding that nobody has to pay for it.
Lol.
fatsean: silver is getting rather cheap...and the Dollar Bulls are stepping up.
Remember when crazypants was crowing about his investments in silver? That hasn't happened in a while ;*D
Remember when crazypants was crowing about his investments in silver? That hasn't happened in a while ;*D
farkmeblind: Remember when crazypants was crowing about his investments in silver? That hasn't happened in a while ;*D
Like you have a foggy fucking clue what your ignorant brain is derping about.
Like you have a foggy fucking clue what your ignorant brain is derping about.
There's a very important jobs report being released tomorrow. All of you fools have no idea how much you're impacted by it. Which is, by definition, why many of you are eager losers.
the bon_scott: I don't mind rich people, like me, getting denied medicare and social security benefits. I simply don't care. But a lot of poor and middle-class people are living into their 80's these days and many of them are GOPers demanding that nobody has to pay for it.
Lol.
I'm not even rich per se, I'd say upper middle class, and I don't even expect those benefits to exist in 35 years, which is probably around when I'll die anyway given family history.
But I really don't think there are that many people that are A) lower class living into their 80's or B) middle-middle and upper-middle class retirees that actually need their paltry SS payments (sure, they're 'fixed income', but they can cut back their trips to Atlantic City to once every 6 months). Granted, I'm basing this on personal observation, but I've gotten a lot of personal observation over the years, so I'm not just saying something I wish to be true. I suppose I should look into the facts more there as opposed basing shit on anecdotes, though.
But you're right, there's no political will among the old conservative base to do what's right to balance the budget at their perceived 'expense'. (And I say 'conservative' because you'd have to pry those frivolous checks for the old conservative Democrat's dead, liver-spot-covered hands as well).
Lol.
I'm not even rich per se, I'd say upper middle class, and I don't even expect those benefits to exist in 35 years, which is probably around when I'll die anyway given family history.
But I really don't think there are that many people that are A) lower class living into their 80's or B) middle-middle and upper-middle class retirees that actually need their paltry SS payments (sure, they're 'fixed income', but they can cut back their trips to Atlantic City to once every 6 months). Granted, I'm basing this on personal observation, but I've gotten a lot of personal observation over the years, so I'm not just saying something I wish to be true. I suppose I should look into the facts more there as opposed basing shit on anecdotes, though.
But you're right, there's no political will among the old conservative base to do what's right to balance the budget at their perceived 'expense'. (And I say 'conservative' because you'd have to pry those frivolous checks for the old conservative Democrat's dead, liver-spot-covered hands as well).
the bon_scott: Like you have a foggy fucking clue what your ignorant brain is derping about.
Someone can't even read a goddamn thread apparently.
Someone can't even read a goddamn thread apparently.
czarangelus: ^didn't mean TBS
It's amazing that Germans realize they should work to 67 before retirement while Greeks can't imagine working beyond their mid-50's. Yet the Greeks demand bail-out money from the Germans. And some people are confused by the math.
Welcome to bN libby-libville.
It's amazing that Germans realize they should work to 67 before retirement while Greeks can't imagine working beyond their mid-50's. Yet the Greeks demand bail-out money from the Germans. And some people are confused by the math.
Welcome to bN libby-libville.
the bon_scott: It's amazing that Germans realize they should work to 67 before retirement while Greeks can't imagine working beyond their mid-50's. Yet the Greeks demand bail-out money from the Germans. And some people are confused by the math.
This must be in my SCHPREISSENGATEN!! genes. The notion of a fixed retirement age makes no sense to me. I couldn't just sit around being recreational most of the time. As long as my physical condition affords me the ability to be productive in some way, I probably will at least attempt to be.
This must be in my SCHPREISSENGATEN!! genes. The notion of a fixed retirement age makes no sense to me. I couldn't just sit around being recreational most of the time. As long as my physical condition affords me the ability to be productive in some way, I probably will at least attempt to be.
Only on bN would it be questioned that people of one nation should retire at full benefits at age 50 while they demand that people of another nation work until they're 67 to pay for the former's generous retirement benefits.
libs keep banning me: Actually the primary way we are difference from Greece is that our citizens generally pay their goddam taxes.
Indeed. But we're getting close to Greece in how the rich can skirt the taxes and the poorer folks keep getting their rates jacked up to cover the shortfall.
Indeed. But we're getting close to Greece in how the rich can skirt the taxes and the poorer folks keep getting their rates jacked up to cover the shortfall.
the bon_scott: Only on bN would it be questioned that people of one nation should retire at full benefits at age 50 while they demand that people of another nation work until they're 67 to pay for the former's generous retirement benefits.
Plenty of blame to go around in Greece. The Euro will be stronger for them and Spain having gotten the boot.
Plenty of blame to go around in Greece. The Euro will be stronger for them and Spain having gotten the boot.
fatsean: Plenty of blame to go around in Greece. The Euro will be stronger for them and Spain having gotten the boot.
Yes, once the bank contagion to Spain and Italy ceases, the Euro will be stronger for kicking out Greece-tard. A country full of whiny entitled slackers that makes the libby-libs on bN look like Ron Paul in a bad mood.
Yes, once the bank contagion to Spain and Italy ceases, the Euro will be stronger for kicking out Greece-tard. A country full of whiny entitled slackers that makes the libby-libs on bN look like Ron Paul in a bad mood.
fatsean: Plenty of blame to go around in Greece. The Euro will be stronger for them and Spain having gotten the boot.
Wait, why are they getting Italy?
Wait, why are they getting Italy?
sloth: Wait, why are they getting Italy?
Weak financials, lack of confidence in new debt they issue. It's come to the end of the road for socialist regimes who have been living off of fantasy and imaginary financials.
Weak financials, lack of confidence in new debt they issue. It's come to the end of the road for socialist regimes who have been living off of fantasy and imaginary financials.
so vote republican: Okay, how much silver would you like to bet that a $5 bill issued today will buy a loaf of plan white sliced bread on 12/26/12?
haha dumbass, world is ending 12-22-12
haha dumbass, world is ending 12-22-12
the bon_scott: Only on bN would it be questioned that people of one nation should retire at full benefits at age 50 while they demand that people of another nation work until they're 67 to pay for the former's generous retirement benefits.
bN is also the only site that puts up with an obnoxious asshole drunk douchebag like yourself
bN is also the only site that puts up with an obnoxious asshole drunk douchebag like yourself
bake: bN is also the only site that puts up with an obnoxious asshole drunk douchebag like yourself
The yet again unemployed retarded crybabies are bawwwing again! What a surprise. And sorry you're still butthurt 2 years later for my not accepting your tiny account on the fact it was 1/10th my minimum and I choose not to associate or do business with scum like you.
The yet again unemployed retarded crybabies are bawwwing again! What a surprise. And sorry you're still butthurt 2 years later for my not accepting your tiny account on the fact it was 1/10th my minimum and I choose not to associate or do business with scum like you.
If you logged in, you could post here.