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    fatsean 3838 2012-06-02 08:35:15.0 login to vote score 3
    I bet the insurers are, however ;)

    Oh I see your city hasn't taken precautions, we'll have to increase your premium considerably.

    swingingjohnson 175 2012-06-02 08:37:47.0 login to vote score 0
    Where I live they are still doing a massive project of pumping billions pound of sand from the sea bed 5 miles out on to the beaches. The beaches are huge now and so many of the beachfront properties lost their view. Now all they see is a giant mound of sand.




    farkmeblind 482 2012-06-02 08:42:23.0 login to vote score 0
    swingingjohnson: Where I live they are still doing a massive project of pumping billions pound of sand from the sea bed 5 miles out on to the beaches. The beaches are huge now and so many of the beachfront properties lost their view. Now all they see is a giant mound of sand.

    I doubt it will work. The sand and water flows have been so disturbed there that simply pumping sand back in is likely unsustainable.
    beerdiva 354 2012-06-02 09:32:31.0 login to vote score 1
    If they're dumb enough to stay let them drown
    intentionally left blank 2011 2012-06-02 09:41:10.0 login to vote score 3
    The power of legislation over science! We've declared it: It won't happen.
    fallen from grace 5187 2012-06-02 09:44:13.0 login to vote score 1


    That's just the storm surge in NYC.

    Here's is a link to a map of Maryland's coastal elevation. A lot of the Eastern Shore is going to be gone. A number of military installations will be affected by this even if you don't give a fuck about the farmers.

    fallen from grace 5187 2012-06-02 09:46:12.0 login to vote score 1
    fallen from grace: That's just the storm surge in NYC.

    Here's is a link to a map of Maryland's coastal elevation. A lot of the Eastern Shore is going to be gone. A number of military installations will be affected by this even if you don't give a fuck about the farmers.


    DC is on that map too. Say goodbye to many national monuments, and hello to wet halls of Congress and a great many other government buildings.
    farkmeblind 482 2012-06-02 09:46:49.0 login to vote score 0
    beerdiva: If they're dumb enough to stay let them drown

    An admirable sentiment were it just the SE coast of the US. Unfortunately 44% of the global population lives in coastal areas.


    fallen from grace 5187 2012-06-02 09:46:52.0 login to vote score 1
    intentionally left blank: The power of legislation over science! We've declared it: It won't happen.

    To be fair, they know their law, their economics, and some know medicine.
    intentionally left blank 2011 2012-06-02 09:48:52.0 login to vote score 1
    fallen from grace: To be fair, they know their law, their economics, and some know medicine.

    Given some pronouncements about the Constitution, I'd argue about law. History, too, but you didn't mention that! :-)
    farkmeblind 482 2012-06-02 09:50:09.0 login to vote score 0
    fallen from grace: To be fair, they know their law, their economics, and some know medicine.

    Very few, apparently. There was a senator/scientist interviewed a few weeks ago (NPR) who was urging anyone with a science background to start running for local office.
    fallen from grace 5187 2012-06-02 09:52:22.0 login to vote score 0
    farkmeblind: An admirable sentiment were it just the SE coast of the US. Unfortunately 44% of the global population lives in coastal areas.

    Many urban areas are along coasts or rivers connected to coasts because of transportation. More than 50% of the world's population lives in urban areas and this is rapidly increasing.


    Also, what I don't think some folks realize is that you don't have to live close to the coast to be affected. It could be an indirect impact, but the water is going to travel far inland in many places. It isn't just coastal Louisiana and Mississippi that will flood. The water will travel up the Mississippi River.

    This is a seismic map of the Mississippi River valley, but it shows elevation. Pretty fucking flat pretty far up the river ennit? :/


    fallen from grace 5187 2012-06-02 09:52:54.0 login to vote score 0
    farkmeblind: Very few, apparently. There was a senator/scientist interviewed a few weeks ago (NPR) who was urging anyone with a science background to start running for local office.

    If only it would count for tenure. LOL
    so vote republican 6688 2012-06-02 09:55:10.0 login to vote score 0
    fallen from grace: DC is on that map too. Say goodbye to many national monuments, and hello to wet halls of Congress and a great many other government buildings.

    And nothing of value was lost.
    farkmeblind 482 2012-06-02 09:56:49.0 login to vote score 0
    fallen from grace: Many urban areas are along coasts or rivers connected to coasts because of transportation. More than 50% of the world's population lives in urban areas and this is rapidly increasing.

    Also, what I don't think some folks realize is that you don't have to live close to the coast to be affected. It could be an indirect impact, but the water is going to travel far inland in many places. It isn't just coastal Louisiana and Mississippi that will flood. The water will travel up the Mississippi River.

    This is a seismic map of the Mississippi River valley, but it shows elevation. Pretty fucking flat pretty far up the river ennit? :/


    Yep. There's a reason Cahokia was a series of mounds. Further north, we can about kiss Minot and Fargo/Moorhead goodbye, as the increased rainfall will contribute to greater seasonal flooding.

    I hadn't really thought about the overall datum increasing.
    farkmeblind 482 2012-06-02 10:01:05.0 login to vote score 1
    fallen from grace: If only it would count for tenure. LOL

    It's better than. Almost all senators are millionaires and they get a better healthcare/retirement package than TIAA-CREF.


    fallen from grace 5187 2012-06-02 10:01:15.0 login to vote score 2
    so vote republican: And nothing of value was lost.

    I don't know. When the Smithsonian gets waterlogged and all those treasures are lost, I will have a great sadness. I think many others will too. Maybe they already have a plan in place. I hope so.


    farkmeblind:
    I hadn't really thought about the overall datum increasing.


    This isn't one many people think about, but it is there. We try to beat it into student's heads in my department (the archaeology and environmental anthro folks). Even if they never have to think about it for an archaeology or anthropology job, I certainly hope they use their knowledge when buying a home.

    fallen from grace 5187 2012-06-02 10:03:09.0 login to vote score 0
    farkmeblind: It's better than. Almost all senators are millionaires and they get a better healthcare/retirement package than TIAA-CREF.

    But it takes time away from fun research (if you're lucky to be in that position) and from family. Plus, you have to deal with politicians and lobbyists. Ick!

    farkmeblind 482 2012-06-02 10:04:12.0 login to vote score 0
    fallen from grace: I don't know. When the Smithsonian gets waterlogged and all those treasures are lost, I will have a great sadness. I think many others will too. Maybe they already have a plan in place. I hope so.

    This isn't one many people think about, but it is there. We try to beat it into student's heads in my department (the archaeology and environmental anthro folks). Even if they never have to think about it for an archaeology or anthropology job, I certainly hope they use their knowledge when buying a home.


    I'm almost certain they do. I'm taking a one-week intensive in disaster response, I'll see what I can find out.

    Y'know, it's considerations like that that make it impossible to buy a home in California without being insane. No matter where you look, there's some looming natural disaster. I miss it.
    so vote republican 6688 2012-06-02 10:07:38.0 login to vote score 0
    fallen from grace: I don't know. When the Smithsonian gets waterlogged and all those treasures are lost, I will have a great sadness. I think many others will too. Maybe they already have a plan in place. I hope so.

    Some curiosity collections have a value I suppose. Most government monuments are tributes to war.

    As is Congress.
    fallen from grace 5187 2012-06-02 10:16:32.0 login to vote score 2
    so vote republican: Some curiosity collections have a value I suppose. Most government monuments are tributes to war.

    As is Congress.


    I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree here on the "curiousity collections." It is world history and culture and technology, as well as that of the US. The Smithsonian storage and offices go down several stories underground at the Mall as well as the buildings surrounding the Mall. Like I said we can agree to disagree here.
    swingingjohnson 175 2012-06-02 10:19:29.0 login to vote score 0
    farkmeblind: I doubt it will work. The sand and water flows have been so disturbed there that simply pumping sand back in is likely unsustainable.

    I don't know but when I said "massive" I meant "really fucking huge massive".

    Were the beach was about 300 feet of sand is now several thousand feet.
    fallen from grace 5187 2012-06-02 10:20:04.0 login to vote score 0
    farkmeblind: I'm almost certain they do. I'm taking a one-week intensive in disaster response, I'll see what I can find out.

    Don't get your hopes up. If this is a course in your school it will likely focus on human health and events like Katrina, tsunamis, earthquakes, etc. The first concern in any disaster should be saving lives.

    When we have time to prepare and we know it is coming, then it is time to take precautions for humans, food and water security, and other things deemed important - including curiosity collections. :D

    farkmeblind 482 2012-06-02 10:24:27.0 login to vote score 0
    fallen from grace: Don't get your hopes up. If this is a course in your school it will likely focus on human health and events like Katrina, tsunamis, earthquakes, etc. The first concern in any disaster should be saving lives.

    When we have time to prepare and we know it is coming, then it is time to take precautions for humans, food and water security, and other things deemed important - including curiosity collections. :D


    Who needs the Constitution, the Federalist Papers and the Jefferson Bibles anyway.
    coelecanth 10809 2012-06-02 10:36:46.0 login to vote score 4
    They knew what they were getting into



    Let 'em splash!
    so vote republican 6688 2012-06-02 12:53:02.0 login to vote score 2
    fallen from grace: I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree here on the "curiousity collections."

    I was teasing about that. I know how to make an anthropologist squirm... :)
    fallen from grace 5187 2012-06-02 13:07:17.0 login to vote score 1
    so vote republican: I was teasing about that. I know how to make an anthropologist squirm... :)

    I was hoping you were teasing, but I never know here. :D
    so vote republican 6688 2012-06-02 14:34:25.0 login to vote score 1
    fallen from grace: I was hoping you were teasing, but I never know here. :D

    You were lucky I didn't simply go with "curios". "Knick-knacks" was also a strong contender.
    If you logged in, you could post here.