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    gradivus 3607 2012-06-11 22:23:34.0 login to vote score 0
    Whoa....
    space 649 2012-06-11 22:46:34.0 login to vote score 2
    time to move to Indiana then
    space 649 2012-06-11 22:47:10.0 login to vote score 0
    tagged bring it bitches
    code_7 6865 2012-06-11 23:02:56.0 login to vote score 5
    Tell you what, I'm really getting tired of these states where everyone and their fucking dog is armed and they're allowed to shoot anyone they feel threatened by.

    I mean, I'll understand when the shit has actually hit the fan and we are in full flung anarchy mode and it's all out mayhem every man for himself but shit like this seems to be just trying to usher the fall of civilization in...
    space 649 2012-06-12 00:16:56.0 login to vote score 3
    code_7: Tell you what, I'm really getting tired of these states where everyone and their fucking dog is armed and they're allowed to shoot anyone they feel threatened by.

    I mean, I'll understand when the shit has actually hit the fan and we are in full flung anarchy mode and it's all out mayhem every man for himself but shit like this seems to be just trying to usher the fall of civilization in...


    if somebody kicks my door in and comes in armed, you bet your ass I'm gonna want to shoot them, this just makes it legal if you do it in a no knock raid at the wrong address and you don't notice its the police due to either shock, intoxication, or the cops wearing non immediately obvious black clothing.
    muir 4764 2012-06-12 00:40:38.0 login to vote score 0
    This is absurd.
    maggotbrain 580 2012-06-12 00:44:37.0 login to vote score 1
    This will not end well.
    muir 4764 2012-06-12 00:48:11.0 login to vote score 3
    maggotbrain: This will not end well.

    Oh I don't know. It may thin the ranks of idiots some.
    maggotbrain 580 2012-06-12 01:05:55.0 login to vote score 2
    muir: Oh I don't know. It may thin the ranks of idiots some.

    I'm certain that it will. As well as help aid in fueling the fear and paranoia in others. Perhaps they can add some legislation to help folks acclimate themselves to no-know searches being normal and nothing to fear. :-/ Gack. That's too cynical even for me.
    muir 4764 2012-06-12 01:10:02.0 login to vote score 0
    maggotbrain: I'm certain that it will. As well as help aid in fueling the fear and paranoia in others. Perhaps they can add some legislation to help folks acclimate themselves to no-know searches being normal and nothing to fear. :-/ Gack. That's too cynical even for me.

    Tis the times we live in. When you have a major political party constantly telling us that not only is government bad but to be feared shit like this is bound to happen.


    code_7 6865 2012-06-12 01:11:22.0 login to vote score 6
    space: if somebody kicks my door in and comes in armed, you bet your ass I'm gonna want to shoot them, this just makes it legal if you do it in a no knock raid at the wrong address and you don't notice its the police due to either shock, intoxication, or the cops wearing non immediately obvious black clothing.

    See, I think the best solution'to the problem of police busting down doors willy-nilly would be to restrict the police more, not just say shoot at will.

    They need to get their leashes back on their attack dogs wearing riot gear instead of allowing for more people to get shot at. Just seems really back-assward to me...
    maggotbrain 580 2012-06-12 01:21:59.0 login to vote score 4
    code_7: See, I think the best solution'to the problem of police busting down doors willy-nilly would be to restrict the police more, not just say shoot at will.

    They need to get their leashes back on their attack dogs wearing riot gear instead of allowing for more people to get shot at. Just seems really back-assward to me...


    Nailed it on the first try. Let's work on these police actions not going wrong in the first place and evaluate whether this police action is necessary in the first place. Then, if it truly is, then why are so many of these actions are being botched. They, the communities can reduce the lawsuits and 'collateral' damage. I know, that may be construed as crazy talk in some circles.
    maggotbrain 580 2012-06-12 01:30:19.0 login to vote score 2
    Hmm. I need to work on my 'then' and 'they's. :- ) End the no-knock searches and consider any collateral damage done to innocent people as a direct threat to the community that needs to be stopped immediately.
    This legislation does sound like an escalation between the populace and the law enforcement hired and paid to serve and protect them.
    muir 4764 2012-06-12 01:38:41.0 login to vote score 3
    maggotbrain: Hmm. I need to work on my 'then' and 'they's. :- ) End the no-knock searches and consider any collateral damage done to innocent people as a direct threat to the community that needs to be stopped immediately.
    This legislation does sound like an escalation between the populace and the law enforcement hired and paid to serve and protect them.


    No Knock searches do have a place. But they should be used less often than they are. Also remember..."The case in question involved a man who assaulted an officer during a domestic violence call." Does not sound like a no knock raid. It would be nice to know more about the case that led to this law.
    code_7 6865 2012-06-12 01:40:38.0 login to vote score 1
    maggotbrain: Nailed it on the first try. Let's work on these police actions not going wrong in the first place and evaluate whether this police action is necessary in the first place. Then, if it truly is, then why are so many of these actions are being botched. They, the communities can reduce the lawsuits and 'collateral' damage. I know, that may be construed as crazy talk in some circles.

    Yeah, esp in Texas. Everybody thinks they need a gun and they need to have it with them at all times. If I was to say that I have no idea why all these people feel the need to have a gun on them at all times, I'd get looked at like I have 2heads. I think it's insane.

    There's a story out of Houston right now where some guy walked down the street to where a loud party was bothering him with a gun, a camera and a phone. Talking to 911 the whole time telling them that he felt threatened and ended up shooting a new father who lived in that house. Now he's trying to plead guilty with the Texas version of SYG...




    code_7 6865 2012-06-12 01:44:24.0 login to vote score 2
    maggotbrain: This legislation does sound like an escalation between the populace and the law enforcement hired and paid to serve and protect them.

    Exactly, we are getting closer and closer to the point where the cops and civilians are enemies and that is a fucked up situation for us to be in...

    /not that we were really far away from that point anyway...
    maggotbrain 580 2012-06-12 01:44:49.0 login to vote score 1
    muir: No Knock searches do have a place. But they should be used less often than they are. Also remember..."The case in question involved a man who assaulted an officer during a domestic violence call." Does not sound like a no knock raid. It would be nice to know more about the case that led to this law.

    I agree. Absolutely too little to go on from the article. On it's face, this quote bothers me quite a bit: 'no right to reasonably resist unlawful entry by police officers'. The police made an unlawful entry and a citizen has no right to resist? That is very troublesome. The article is lacking on substantial details. In this case, I agree with the NRA's concerns.
    maggotbrain 580 2012-06-12 01:49:25.0 login to vote score 1
    muir: No Knock searches do have a place. But they should be used less often than they are. Also remember..."The case in question involved a man who assaulted an officer during a domestic violence call." Does not sound like a no knock raid. It would be nice to know more about the case that led to this law.

    You're right. I jumped to the conclusion about this particular case stemming from a mid-directed no knock search. My mistake. Hard to tell if they showed up at the wrong address or not.
    maggotbrain 580 2012-06-12 01:53:16.0 login to vote score 1
    code_7: Exactly, we are getting closer and closer to the point where the cops and civilians are enemies and that is a fucked up situation for us to be in...

    /not that we were really far away from that point anyway...


    I think that we, as a society, have moved beyond that point if a state legislature needs to enact laws like these. I can see why police agencies don't like this law. Also, I wonder why this wasn't turned back on the law enforcement agency to place restrictions on them to encourage them to be more efficient in executing their actions.
    muir 4764 2012-06-12 01:57:08.0 login to vote score 2
    maggotbrain: I agree. Absolutely too little to go on from the article. On it's face, this quote bothers me quite a bit: 'no right to reasonably resist unlawful entry by police officers'. The police made an unlawful entry and a citizen has no right to resist? That is very troublesome. The article is lacking on substantial details. In this case, I agree with the NRA's concerns.

    Well what is unlawful entry? You may find this hard to believe but in my life I have had the police show up at my door for domestic situations. They came right inside and needed no warrant,just suspicion that violence was/had occurred. The first time I refused them entry and ended up across the room on my ass. I had both officers names and badge numbers and went the next day to report it. But there was nothing I could do. The second time I did not even bother to refuse them.

    Now to clarify...the first incident we were living in an apartment and my 2 year old daughter was throwing a temper tantrum. Nothing would calm her so we put her in her room. Some neighbor though she was being beat. Looking back I can see why they did. But no violence or even raised voices from me or her mother occurred.

    The second time I had just found out about the wife cheating on me. Right about that time her mother called her and heard me yelling. She called the cops. Now as much as I wanted to I never came close to laying a finger on her. But I was told by the police I could be arrested for domestic violence just for raising my voice. I was given the choice of leaving MY home for the night or going to jail. So it was off to the bar with me.
    muir 4764 2012-06-12 01:58:08.0 login to vote score 2
    maggotbrain: I think that we, as a society, have moved beyond that point if a state legislature needs to enact laws like these. I can see why police agencies don't like this law. Also, I wonder why this wasn't turned back on the law enforcement agency to place restrictions on them to encourage them to be more efficient in executing their actions.

    Election year politics. I seriously doubt this law was needed.
    maggotbrain 580 2012-06-12 02:09:55.0 login to vote score 3
    muir: Well what is unlawful entry? You may find this hard to believe but in my life I have had the police show up at my door for domestic situations. They came right inside and needed no warrant,just suspicion that violence was/had occurred. The first time I refused them entry and ended up across the room on my ass. I had both officers names and badge numbers and went the next day to report it. But there was nothing I could do. The second time I did not even bother to refuse them.

    Now to clarify...the first incident we were living in an apartment and my 2 year old daughter was throwing a temper tantrum. Nothing would calm her so we put her in her room. Some neighbor though she was being beat. Looking back I can see why they did. But no violence or even raised voices from me or her mother occurred.

    The second time I had just found out about the wife cheating on me. Right about that time her mother called her and heard me yelling. She called the cops. Now as much as I wanted to I never came close to laying a finger on her. But I was told by the police I could be arrested for domestic violence just for raising my voice. I was given the choice of leaving MY home for the night or going to jail. So it was off to the bar with me.


    I'm sorry to hear that. I wish that I had been exposed to more basic constitutional law in my grade school. I've seen police use a great deal of wiggle room in intimidating people in emotionally charged circumstances. I've never had the financial resources or legal acumen to be on any but shaky grounds with them and it was easier to walk away to avoid further difficulties. Whether it be a misunderstood neighboor complaint, the obligation to produce ID, or taking photos of potential police abuse in a public setting, I have been there and empathize with you.
    I would rather see re-runs of basic human rights education and training than episodes of cops; but, that isn't as colorful or dramatic.
    I don't think that it is unreasonable to question a law enforcement officer's requests, when done in a reasonable manner. If I know that it is within my rights to search my camera or person, I should not be expected to be treated as hostile when questioning when an officer is over stepping their boundaries.
    Again, sucks that you had to go through that humiliation. I've had to as well.
    code_7 6865 2012-06-12 02:25:31.0 login to vote score 2
    We are running into a situation where something has got to give. Pressure in the populace is growing to a point where I can imagine mini rodney king riots beginning to happen in all the major cities across the country. There are weekly occurrences of police misconduct and (some would say) outright murder. As communication gets better and better and more and more people become informed of what is happening around them things will begin to pop.

    I think we are already at a boiling point, it's not going to take a whole lot to get a scared population of sheep to start a stampede...

    maggotbrain 580 2012-06-12 02:38:58.0 login to vote score 1
    code_7: We are running into a situation where something has got to give. Pressure in the populace is growing to a point where I can imagine mini rodney king riots beginning to happen in all the major cities across the country. There are weekly occurrences of police misconduct and (some would say) outright murder. As communication gets better and better and more and more people become informed of what is happening around them things will begin to pop. I think we are already at a boiling point, it's not going to take a whole lot to get a scared population of sheep to start a stampede...

    I'm not sure about that. We as a society are too paralyzed to enact mass change. I'm not sure your comment is optimistic or fatalistic. From what I heard from my father, it's not like 'there's a riot going on' like Newark or Watts in '68. I would honestly hate to see people hurt. However, I've been on two sides of a three sided coin in the last 20 years. I've been a victim of crime as well as breaking up the commission of crimes and the police have been mostly hostile to all parties. There is quite a bit of fear involved on all sides.
    Most people in the U.S. are generally safe and only persuaded to believe that they live in actual physical fear. Crime rates are down over the past 20 years, no? I don't understand the need to make the police enemies of the people that they are paid to protect; but, I don't see the fear abating.
    muir 4764 2012-06-12 02:44:36.0 login to vote score 2
    maggotbrain: I'm sorry to hear that. I wish that I had been exposed to more basic constitutional law in my grade school. I've seen police use a great deal of wiggle room in intimidating people in emotionally charged circumstances. I've never had the financial resources or legal acumen to be on any but shaky grounds with them and it was easier to walk away to avoid further difficulties. Whether it be a misunderstood neighboor complaint, the obligation to produce ID, or taking photos of potential police abuse in a public setting, I have been there and empathize with you.
    I would rather see re-runs of basic human rights education and training than episodes of cops; but, that isn't as colorful or dramatic.
    I don't think that it is unreasonable to question a law enforcement officer's requests, when done in a reasonable manner. If I know that it is within my rights to search my camera or person, I should not be expected to be treated as hostile when questioning when an officer is over stepping their boundaries.
    Again, sucks that you had to go through that humiliation. I've had to as well.


    It happened. But was not the worst. Ready to hear some bullshit....

    So its 1997 and I am living in Ganby CO. Small mountain town. No local cops only county sheriff and state patrol. I am moving very far away in a week. I have a storage shed with my stuff that I have been renting for about a year. To raise money for the move I am selling off various belongings. A friend of mine wanted to buy my stereo and speakers...damn nice setup BTW.

    We go to my shed but I have lost my key. It is my own personal lock on it so I say fuck it we will just cut it. I called the owners of the sheds and informed them of what I was going to do. They were fine with it. While going to get my friends bolt cutters we stopped by a bar. A couple of beers and a shot or two and we were ready. So of course upon arrival we cut the wrong lock. It was the shed next to mine. He freaked I said no biggie just get into mine and I will take care of this. We get it right the second try. He looks over my stuff,pays me,we load him up and off he goes.

    I know I have to deal with this. SO I first call the owners and tell them what happened. I assure them it was an honest mistake and if possible the owner of that shed should come by to verify nothing was damaged or missing. I then called the sheriff,figuring it was the right thing to do. I explained both the owners of the lot and the renter of the shed would be here shortly. I just wanted no trouble over this.

    The woman renter shows up as do the owners right as the cops do. Funny thing turned it it was a woman I knew from working with her in Denver years ago. She pretty much laughed it off,of course checked her stuff and was satisfied. The owners of the lot confirmed to the police I had called earlier to tell them I was going to cut my lock. They also confirmed all seemed to be in order.

    So the owners and the renter leave. Just me and two sheriff's now. Its getting dark and a bit chilly,I only have a tank top and shorts on. I have to pee pretty fucking bad and I only have two cigarets left. I am told to have a seat for a few minutes,no biggie I think. The cops want to know where I got bolt cutters from. Told them they belonged to a friend. "What is his name?". I said that did not matter. I was told it was illegal to own bolt cutters. To which I laughed and asked why I could by them at Home Depot then. I stood up to walk away and was shoved to the ground. I was told I was going nowhere "until we get to the bottom of this."

    What does that mean? I ask. After all I called you remember. I did that so there would be no problems over this. Oh I forgot I even paid the woman 20 bucks to buy herself a new lock. They told me my story made no sense and felt I was hiding something. Now I was kinda mad and drunk. I got up and said "I am leaving you have no cause to keep me here". I took a few steps and then went down hard. When I came around 5-10 minutes later I was handcuffed,my head hurt like hell with some blood,and my knees and elbows were tore up. One of the fuckers had clocked me with his night stick.

    Its now dark,cold and I am scared. I am being poliet as possible but I refuse to admit I did anything wrong other than forgot which shed was mine. At one point I ask to be allowed to pee. I am told no. I say if I don't soon I am going to piss my pants. They both laugh and go back to their car. 10 minutes pass and I can no longer hold it so I piss myself. Another 20 minutes later they come back out and say "are you ready to tell us the real story?". I am pretty much done at this point. I tell them to either arrest me or let me go because I no longer have anything to say. Back to their car for another 20-30 minutes. They come back and take the handcuffs off and tell me I will not be charged...yet. I say fine and start to walk away. I am then told to get in the car. I refuse. I am told I am being given a ride home that I cannot refuse. I am also told if I am seen out again that night I will be arrested. I ask on what charge. I am told refusing a lawful order. Remember its a small town only 2 real bars and not much else to do.

    So the assholes drive me home. I am told a detective will be by in the morning. He came to my home and work everyday for 5 days. My story never once changed.

    I have often thought this was all retaliation because I was dating,and engaged to,a state troopers daughter.
    muir 4764 2012-06-12 02:46:08.0 login to vote score 1
    code_7: We are running into a situation where something has got to give. Pressure in the populace is growing to a point where I can imagine mini rodney king riots beginning to happen in all the major cities across the country. There are weekly occurrences of police misconduct and (some would say) outright murder. As communication gets better and better and more and more people become informed of what is happening around them things will begin to pop.

    I think we are already at a boiling point, it's not going to take a whole lot to get a scared population of sheep to start a stampede...


    I think you took John Titor a little bit to serious.
    muir 4764 2012-06-12 02:58:08.0 login to vote score 1
    Gotta crash later kids.
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    maggotbrain 580 2012-06-12 03:01:35.0 login to vote score 1
    muir: snip

    Muir,
    This is the perfect example of why you are not a successful American. I'm surprised that you can still shop at Costco and buy condoms at any truck stop across this great country of ours. ;-)

    I got arrested for hugging in public in Philadelphia of all places. I still have the paperwork on that one, somewhere.
    maggotbrain 580 2012-06-12 03:02:48.0 login to vote score 1
    muir: It happened. But was not the worst. Ready to hear some bullshit....

    So its 1997 and I am living in Ganby CO. Small mountain town. No local cops only county sheriff and state patrol. I am moving very far away in a week. I have a storage shed with my stuff that I have been renting for about a year. To raise money for the move I am selling off various belongings. A friend of mine wanted to buy my stereo and speakers...damn nice setup BTW.

    We go to my shed but I have lost my key. It is my own personal lock on it so I say fuck it we will just cut it. I called the owners of the sheds and informed them of what I was going to do. They were fine with it. While going to get my friends bolt cutters we stopped by a bar. A couple of beers and a shot or two and we were ready. So of course upon arrival we cut the wrong lock. It was the shed next to mine. He freaked I said no biggie just get into mine and I will take care of this. We get it right the second try. He looks over my stuff,pays me,we load him up and off he goes.

    I know I have to deal with this. SO I first call the owners and tell them what happened. I assure them it was an honest mistake and if possible the owner of that shed should come by to verify nothing was damaged or missing. I then called the sheriff,figuring it was the right thing to do. I explained both the owners of the lot and the renter of the shed would be here shortly. I just wanted no trouble over this.

    The woman renter shows up as do the owners right as the cops do. Funny thing turned it it was a woman I knew from working with her in Denver years ago. She pretty much laughed it off,of course checked her stuff and was satisfied. The owners of the lot confirmed to the police I had called earlier to tell them I was going to cut my lock. They also confirmed all seemed to be in order.

    So the owners and the renter leave. Just me and two sheriff's now. Its getting dark and a bit chilly,I only have a tank top and shorts on. I have to pee pretty fucking bad and I only have two cigarets left. I am told to have a seat for a few minutes,no biggie I think. The cops want to know where I got bolt cutters from. Told them they belonged to a friend. "What is his name?". I said that did not matter. I was told it was illegal to own bolt cutters. To which I laughed and asked why I could by them at Home Depot then. I stood up to walk away and was shoved to the ground. I was told I was going nowhere "until we get to the bottom of this."

    What does that mean? I ask. After all I called you remember. I did that so there would be no problems over this. Oh I forgot I even paid the woman 20 bucks to buy herself a new lock. They told me my story made no sense and felt I was hiding something. Now I was kinda mad and drunk. I got up and said "I am leaving you have no cause to keep me here". I took a few steps and then went down hard. When I came around 5-10 minutes later I was handcuffed,my head hurt like hell with some blood,and my knees and elbows were tore up. One of the fuckers had clocked me with his night stick.

    Its now dark,cold and I am scared. I am being poliet as possible but I refuse to admit I did anything wrong other than forgot which shed was mine. At one point I ask to be allowed to pee. I am told no. I say if I don't soon I am going to piss my pants. They both laugh and go back to their car. 10 minutes pass and I can no longer hold it so I piss myself. Another 20 minutes later they come back out and say "are you ready to tell us the real story?". I am pretty much done at this point. I tell them to either arrest me or let me go because I no longer have anything to say. Back to their car for another 20-30 minutes. They come back and take the handcuffs off and tell me I will not be charged...yet. I say fine and start to walk away. I am then told to get in the car. I refuse. I am told I am being given a ride home that I cannot refuse. I am also told if I am seen out again that night I will be arrested. I ask on what charge. I am told refusing a lawful order. Remember its a small town only 2 real bars and not much else to do.

    So the assholes drive me home. I am told a detective will be by in the morning. He came to my home and work everyday for 5 days. My story never once changed.

    I have often thought this was all retaliation because I was dating,and engaged to,a state troopers daughter.


    You and Lord BearPelt should arm wrestle some day.
    space 649 2012-06-12 05:16:21.0 login to vote score 1
    gee all this talk about what's wrong with cops, the fact I fear seeing a cop more than being mugged or murdered by a criminal, and the hard entrenchment and impossibility of change in place in the system being what it is.

    then we get this law that lets us both fight back and say God damnit we have had enough and all you can do is fellate the cops and say oh no don't shoot no evil fuckers who have it coming to.protect yourself....

    I just don't get you guys.
    farkmeblind 482 2012-06-12 05:18:07.0 login to vote score 1
    maggotbrain: I'm not sure about that. We as a society are too paralyzed to enact mass change. I'm not sure your comment is optimistic or fatalistic. From what I heard from my father, it's not like 'there's a riot going on' like Newark or Watts in '68. I would honestly hate to see people hurt. However, I've been on two sides of a three sided coin in the last 20 years. I've been a victim of crime as well as breaking up the commission of crimes and the police have been mostly hostile to all parties. There is quite a bit of fear involved on all sides.
    Most people in the U.S. are generally safe and only persuaded to believe that they live in actual physical fear. Crime rates are down over the past 20 years, no? I don't understand the need to make the police enemies of the people that they are paid to protect; but, I don't see the fear abating.


    I don't know who lives in your society, but in mine mass change was effected about 44 years ago.
    maggotbrain 580 2012-06-12 05:27:40.0 login to vote score 0
    farkmeblind: I don't know who lives in your society, but in mine mass change was effected about 44 years ago.

    Yeah. And your black people have made so much progress. That's a lame marker. You are being a tool. Why are you insist on being a shit? I like you. Yet you still have to be a douchebag. Honestly, I do like you, but when you play the imaginary race, you still end up being a douche.

    I do like you, FBM. Still, you are a shit.
    I love you girl, but, you need to work on that approach.
    muir 4764 2012-06-12 05:42:55.0 login to vote score 0
    maggotbrain: Muir,
    This is the perfect example of why you are not a successful American. I'm surprised that you can still shop at Costco and buy condoms at any truck stop across this great country of ours. ;-)

    I got arrested for hugging in public in Philadelphia of all places. I still have the paperwork on that one, somewhere.


    Maybe if I had studied financial stuff from an online school I could be a success. Alas I will forever be doomed to the ranks of the lowest caste.
    muir 4764 2012-06-12 05:44:57.0 login to vote score 0
    space: gee all this talk about what's wrong with cops, the fact I fear seeing a cop more than being mugged or murdered by a criminal, and the hard entrenchment and impossibility of change in place in the system being what it is.

    then we get this law that lets us both fight back and say God damnit we have had enough and all you can do is fellate the cops and say oh no don't shoot no evil fuckers who have it coming to.protect yourself....

    I just don't get you guys.


    I may not like the pigs but I do respect them. I also understand that a law like this can easily lead to more lawlessness and division. Those are two things I think the country needs less of.
    oldfart 1558 2012-06-12 05:47:15.0 login to vote score 3
    "No knock" searches have little place in our society. If the system wants my respect (and obedience) they need to demonstrate respect for me. It works both ways.

    The comments to the article are fun, though. as a 20 year leo roar, little lion: roar out your rage and frustration. :)

    space 649 2012-06-12 05:50:17.0 login to vote score 1
    muir: I may not like the pigs but I do respect them. I also understand that a law like this can easily lead to more lawlessness and division. Those are two things I think the country needs less of.

    I respect them in the same way I respect the killing power of a polar bear and avoid avoid avoid, or like I respect a loaded gun with no safety and a round in the chamber, by never pointing it at myself or loved ones.
    eddyatwork 998 2012-06-12 05:52:51.0 login to vote score 0
    I don't know what the hell you people are doing, but I've never really had a problem with cops and in fact for the most part they've never been anything but polite with me.
    antinasty 5945 2012-06-12 05:53:10.0 login to vote score 0
    Civilian season!
    Cop season!
    Civilian season!
    Cop season!
    muir 4764 2012-06-12 05:57:26.0 login to vote score 1
    eddyatwork: I don't know what the hell you people are doing, but I've never really had a problem with cops and in fact for the most part they've never been anything but polite with me.

    To interact with them one would have to leave ma's basement from time to time. To,oh I don't know,go to a job maybe.
    xxplosiv 3123 2012-06-12 06:01:07.0 login to vote score 1
    muir: I may not like the pigs but I do respect them. I also understand that a law like this can easily lead to more lawlessness and division. Those are two things I think the country needs less of.

    'Division' will only subside when a certain segment of the population relegates its fear of lack of authority.

    Otherwise, we're only fighting time by not realizing that this is the final outcome of control at 'all costs'.

    /like regularly shooting unaggressive dogs and tazing diabetics to death are worth anything to anyone but sociopathic murder-borgs.

    //I'll respect them when they actually decide to protect the people more than serve the highest bidding corporations interests.
    space 649 2012-06-12 06:06:25.0 login to vote score 0
    eddyatwork: I don't know what the hell you people are doing, but I've never really had a problem with cops and in fact for the most part they've never been anything but polite with me.

    2 most important things to know about cops that all kids should be taught:

    1 you are not obligated to answer the door for a cop, just act like you are taking a nap, they will either leave if they have no warrent, or kick the door in if they do(these days if they do, the kick is the knock)

    2 if they have you cuffed or otherwise arrest you, plead the 5th and don't say shit until a lawyer hears it first, that line about what you say being used against you means more than you think and they will lie and abuse you to get you to say something to fuck you over, innocent or not.


    it's got what plants crave 1830 2012-06-12 06:11:48.0 login to vote score 0
    space: I respect them in the same way I respect the killing power of a polar bear and avoid avoid avoid, or like I respect a loaded gun with no safety and a round in the chamber, by never pointing it at myself or loved ones.
    That's how I feel, too. I'd give you a +1, but apparently you're my alt.

    eddyatwork 998 2012-06-12 06:13:55.0 login to vote score 0
    The only thing I can say is that you people are either paranoid or you have bad attitudes that police officers pick up on. Like I said, I've never had any problems with officers.
    space 649 2012-06-12 06:16:13.0 login to vote score 2
    eddyatwork: The only thing I can say is that you people are either paranoid or you have bad attitudes that police officers pick up on. Like I said, I've never had any problems with officers.

    I envy your luck, too bad you wasted it on cops instead of money, women, or power.
    fatsean 3838 2012-06-12 06:43:50.0 login to vote score 1
    muir: Oh I don't know. It may thin the ranks of idiots some.

    On both sides of the thin blue rape-line.
    maggotbrain 580 2012-06-12 10:07:08.0 login to vote score 1
    muir: Maybe if I had studied financial stuff from an online school I could be a success. Alas I will forever be doomed to the ranks of the lowest caste.

    You and I should hit up a bollywood film, together, for fun. You know and dance in the aisles during the big musical numbers. ;-)
    If you logged in, you could post here.