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    quick1 501 2012-06-12 08:03:34.0 login to vote score 0
    UNIOOOOOOOONS!
    czarangelus 646 2012-06-12 08:03:53.0 login to vote score 1
    Oh please. When you add bennies, they make like $80k a year.
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-06-12 08:04:20.0 login to vote score 0
    America is just in love with Public Sector Unions.

    Surely they will embrace these noble public servants.
    fatsean 3838 2012-06-12 08:06:49.0 login to vote score 0
    While the benefits of unions might not be needed as an application attractant during these recessionary times, they exist for a very good reason: most people don't like working for the government when they can make more in the private sector. When the economy turns around and people flee the helicopter parents and zero-tolerance policies for other work, we'll have a hard time attracting replacements. And then the pay and benefits will go up again...

    This is my prediction!
    quick1 501 2012-06-12 08:08:11.0 login to vote score 2
    czarangelus: Oh please. When you add bennies, they make like $80k a year.

    Better them than another drone.
    chaos 446 2012-06-12 08:14:34.0 login to vote score 1
    Hell yeah, Teachers!

    iggins 5808 2012-06-12 08:15:03.0 login to vote score 1
    go bears

    da bears
    czarangelus 646 2012-06-12 08:15:40.0 login to vote score 1
    quick1: Better them than another drone.

    Really? The mass incarceration and indoctrination of children, Kim Jong-Il style? If it's better than a drone, then not much.
    osirisothedead 1858 2012-06-12 08:16:58.0 login to vote score 1
    czarangelus: Really? The mass incarceration and indoctrination of children, Kim Jong-Il style? If it's better than a drone, then not much.


    quick1 501 2012-06-12 08:17:46.0 login to vote score 4
    czarangelus: Really? The mass incarceration and indoctrination of children, Kim Jong-Il style? If it's better than a drone, then not much.

    You are free to homeschool if you so desire. Or send your kid to a private school. Otherwise, educating the public at large is a good thing for society.
    chaos 446 2012-06-12 08:19:20.0 login to vote score 2
    quick1: You are free to homeschool if you so desire. Or send your kid to a private school. Otherwise, educating the public at large is a good thing for society.

    my kids go to private school.... but that's only because the school they would go to has a 2 of 10 rating... including high teacher turnover - which can't be a good thing.
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-06-12 08:20:46.0 login to vote score 0
    quick1: You are free to homeschool if you so desire. Or send your kid to a private school. Otherwise, educating the public at large is a good thing for society.


    So is choice.

    Are you pro-choice for public schools?
    quick1 501 2012-06-12 08:22:31.0 login to vote score 2
    the sonic dildo: So is choice.

    Are you pro-choice for public schools?


    That gets into the details of how it's done, not whether schools are a good thing to have in the first place, which is the point I am making with czar. There are a number of ideas on how to improve schools.
    grotfabrieken rubbishhausen 561 2012-06-12 08:22:39.0 login to vote score 2
    the sonic dildo: So is choice.

    Are you pro-choice for public schools?


    Yes, all the little bastards should be aborted.
    czarangelus 646 2012-06-12 08:23:14.0 login to vote score 1
    Here's what pisses me off. I mean, I got tired of being brainwashed a long time ago. Now I think it's safe to say that most propaganda techniques slide off my mind like water off a duck's back. Now I'm goddamn sick of having to live around brainwashed people. "Oh no, drugs!!!" "Every man is a rapist!" "Nudity is a crime!" "Think of the childreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen!"
    slinger 109 2012-06-12 08:24:33.0 login to vote score 1
    quick1: You are free to homeschool if you so desire. Or send your kid to a private school. Otherwise, educating the public at large is a good thing for society.

    Bullshit free. Shit costs a fortune!


    quick1 501 2012-06-12 08:25:25.0 login to vote score 0
    czarangelus: Here's what pisses me off. I mean, I got tired of being brainwashed a long time ago. Now I think it's safe to say that most propaganda techniques slide off my mind like water off a duck's back. Now I'm goddamn sick of having to live around brainwashed people. "Oh no, drugs!!!" "Every man is a rapist!" "Nudity is a crime!" "Think of the childreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen!"

    I think nearly every bN user went through public schooling of some sort, and are against the War on Drugs. How did we all avoid being brainwashed?
    finnley wren 24 2012-06-12 08:26:30.0 login to vote score 3
    "Mayor Rahm Emanuel last year rescinded a four percent pay increase and pushed for a longer school day."

    Cubicle drones would just take it, doing the work of their laid-off colleagues, working longer hours for the same pay, while their corporation's profits soar and their CEO's pay goes through the roof. Glad to see there's at least someone out there who says "hell, no."
    czarangelus 646 2012-06-12 08:26:35.0 login to vote score 0
    quick1: I think nearly every bN user went through public schooling of some sort, and are against the War on Drugs. How did we all avoid being brainwashed?

    Do you think there are three branches of government?
    quick1 501 2012-06-12 08:27:35.0 login to vote score 8
    czarangelus: Do you think there are three branches of government?

    Yes. The earth ponies, the pegasi, and the unicorns make up the three branches.
    grotfabrieken rubbishhausen 561 2012-06-12 08:31:07.0 login to vote score 1
    czarangelus: Here's what pisses me off. I mean, I got tired of being brainwashed a long time ago. Now I think it's safe to say that most propaganda techniques slide off my mind like water off a duck's back. Now I'm goddamn sick of having to live around brainwashed people. "Oh no, drugs!!!" "Every man is a rapist!" "Nudity is a crime!" "Think of the childreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen!"

    Become an Unabomber

    czarangelus 646 2012-06-12 08:32:29.0 login to vote score 1
    quick1: Yes. The earth ponies, the pegasi, and the unicorns make up the three branches.

    the whole IDEA of three branches of government doesn't actually tell anything about how government actually "works." They should have people like me teach civics.

    See, the government has so much money and power that they're the real drivers of our economy, and corporations have discovered that their primary goal should be manipulating the government instead of making superior products or service. So they buy cocaine and whores for both candidates, give them million-dollar gifts, and in exchange government creates laws that makes it illegal to compete with them. All this civics textbook shit fails to be precisely wrong while very effectively not explaining anything about how the system really works
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-06-12 08:37:09.0 login to vote score 0
    quick1: That gets into the details of how it's done, not whether schools are a good thing to have in the first place, which is the point I am making with czar. There are a number of ideas on how to improve schools.

    Agreed.

    Throwing money at them is proven not to work.
    flashlv 1657 2012-06-12 08:42:15.0 login to vote score 0
    So they are making them work almost 7.2 hours now instead of 6? Not to mention they also get paid for a 2.5 month vacation each year.
    flashlv 1657 2012-06-12 08:44:22.0 login to vote score 0
    fatsean: While the benefits of unions might not be needed as an application attractant during these recessionary times, they exist for a very good reason: most people don't like working for the government when they can make more in the private sector. When the economy turns around and people flee the helicopter parents and zero-tolerance policies for other work, we'll have a hard time attracting replacements. And then the pay and benefits will go up again...This is my prediction!

    People who work for the government usually make more than their private sector counterparts. Teachers can retire after 20 years, so many teachers can start a whole new career at 40 - 45 years old. I would take that deal any time.
    flashlv 1657 2012-06-12 08:45:16.0 login to vote score 1
    chaos: my kids go to private school.... but that's only because the school they would go to has a 2 of 10 rating... including high teacher turnover - which can't be a good thing.

    My girlfriend has her kid in a montessori school, because the other public schools around have low ratings.
    czarangelus 646 2012-06-12 08:45:17.0 login to vote score 2
    flashlv: So they are making them work almost 7.2 hours now instead of 6? Not to mention they also get paid for a 2.5 month vacation each year.

    I have friends who are teachers, and this is incredibly not true.
    chaos 446 2012-06-12 08:47:55.0 login to vote score 1
    flashlv: My girlfriend has her kid in a montessori school, because the other public schools around have low ratings.

    I always went to public schools and feel I'm mostly, not retarded, but if I can afford to give my kids a better education, then I will.

    My mother-in-law teaches a Montessori school and my wife taught sign language at the same one for a couple of years.
    slinger 109 2012-06-12 08:51:08.0 login to vote score 0
    czarangelus: I have friends who are teachers, and this is incredibly not true.

    I'm sure there are cases to both extremes, this being one of them, and the ones you know not being an example of that extreme. To me it doesn't matter how many hours you work, as long as you do the actual job. One of my son's teachers works long hours, but she is completely useless, as evidenced by my son's eventual grade in her class and on the state test score. His grade in her class? B-, B-, B-, B-, B-, B-, B- with a final annual grade of F.

    He also failed the state test. Way to go dipshit, you taught him that you can't math.
    flashlv 1657 2012-06-12 08:53:50.0 login to vote score 0
    czarangelus: I have friends who are teachers, and this is incredibly not true.

    I have a few teacher friends and this is very true.

    My friends last day was last friday and they don't go back until the end of August. They also start school at 6:30 and are home by 2:00
    zombiestomper 7393 2012-06-12 10:20:53.0 login to vote score 0
    flashlv: I have a few teacher friends and this is very true.

    My friends last day was last friday and they don't go back until the end of August. They also start school at 6:30 and are home by 2:00


    I have to side with Flash on this one from personal experience.

    I went to a bog teaching university (I was originally intending to get my PhD, but decided that getting tenure and teaching comparative religion wasn't going to happen in the current system).

    Most people studying elementary education were either in it because:
    -it was "easy" and a guaranteed job
    -they got summers off
    -they "liked kids"

    NOBODY I ever met in my undergrad and grad experience liked TEACHING. Those people were working toward college teaching. I'm sure they exist, tho. I had 2 teachers like that growing up and they changed my life.

    It's a shame really, we need more like that.

    And this dumb bitch who's president of the CTU (and can't even speak correctly in repeated I nerves on Chicago Tonight) represents the absolute worst of those in the teaching profession.
    zombiestomper 7393 2012-06-12 10:24:04.0 login to vote score 0
    Bog = big
    I nerves = interviews

    Damn autocorrect.
    slinger 109 2012-06-12 10:24:44.0 login to vote score 0
    zombiestomper: I have to side with Flash on this one from personal experience.

    I went to a bog teaching university (I was originally intending to get my PhD, but decided that getting tenure and teaching comparative religion wasn't going to happen in the current system).

    Most people studying elementary education were either in it because:
    -it was "easy" and a guaranteed job
    -they got summers off
    -they "liked kids"

    NOBODY I ever met in my undergrad and grad experience liked TEACHING. Those people were working toward college teaching. I'm sure they exist, tho. I had 2 teachers like that growing up and they changed my life.

    It's a shame really, we need more like that.

    And this dumb bitch who's president of the CTU (and can't even speak correctly in repeated I nerves on Chicago Tonight) represents the absolute worst of those in the teaching profession.


    Yeah, the bell curve is jacked up for teachers. The apex of the curve isn't in the middle. Most of them suck. (not all, but most.)


    fatsean 3838 2012-06-12 11:12:19.0 login to vote score 1
    Your anecdotes make me think the problem is that people who actually want to teach are able to make more money doing something else.
    farkmeblind 482 2012-06-12 12:15:42.0 login to vote score 0
    zombiestomper: I have to side with Flash on this one from personal experience.

    I went to a bog teaching university (I was originally intending to get my PhD, but decided that getting tenure and teaching comparative religion wasn't going to happen in the current system).

    Most people studying elementary education were either in it because:
    -it was "easy" and a guaranteed job
    -they got summers off
    -they "liked kids"

    NOBODY I ever met in my undergrad and grad experience liked TEACHING. Those people were working toward college teaching. I'm sure they exist, tho. I had 2 teachers like that growing up and they changed my life.

    It's a shame really, we need more like that.

    And this dumb bitch who's president of the CTU (and can't even speak correctly in repeated I nerves on Chicago Tonight) represents the absolute worst of those in the teaching profession.


    I like teaching. I think pedagogy is a worthy area of study. Which is why I'm not babysitting 65 rug rats. That's not teaching, it's controlled recess. If teaching paid as well as stockbrokering and was only twice the work, i'd think about it. Until then, fuck K-12.
    fatsean 3838 2012-06-13 06:34:25.0 login to vote score 0
    farkmeblind: I like teaching. I think pedagogy is a worthy area of study. Which is why I'm not babysitting 65 rug rats. That's not teaching, it's controlled recess. If teaching paid as well as stockbrokering and was only twice the work, i'd think about it. Until then, fuck K-12.

    So true. The reality of teaching in the US is huge class rooms. Even if you have an assistant, wouldn't that make you more of a lecturer than a teacher?
    If you logged in, you could post here.