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    grotfabrieken rubbishhausen 561 2012-06-12 13:02:34.0 login to vote score 6
    Rent boys got expensive?
    czarangelus 646 2012-06-12 13:03:41.0 login to vote score 1
    Communists DID take over
    fatsean 3838 2012-06-12 13:05:30.0 login to vote score 2
    The genius invasion of Iraq annd Afghanistan were A-OK. The Religious extremists, A-OK. But the Tea Baggers, who actually wanted to do something conservative were what pushed him out? That's quite interesting. I mean, I agree with him that the Tea Baggers were childish and ovcrly ideological...but no more than the war mongers and the xtians IMO.
    elebrin 1389 2012-06-12 13:13:12.0 login to vote score 4
    fatsean: The genius invasion of Iraq annd Afghanistan were A-OK. The Religious extremists, A-OK. But the Tea Baggers, who actually wanted to do something conservative were what pushed him out? That's quite interesting. I mean, I agree with him that the Tea Baggers were childish and ovcrly ideological...but no more than the war mongers and the xtians IMO.

    Those things pushed me away from both parties. Hard to believe now but until about 2005ish I was a supporter of the Democratic party.

    There were some things I had in common with the tea partiers for a while, but once they learned how to count to potato I sort of gave up on them.
    little hands of concrete 1804 2012-06-12 13:20:10.0 login to vote score 3
    I've always have pretty much seen the Republican Party as the party of assholes, proud assholes.
    selectivedisclosure 45 2012-06-12 13:25:09.0 login to vote score 9
    My problem is the religion that gets mixed in with it. Yuckie. Doesn't seem to happen as much on the other side. What part of separation of church and state do people not get? And why is it so important to you what other people do in the privacy of their own homes?
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-06-12 13:31:50.0 login to vote score 0
    Artur Davis, former prominent Obama backer, leaves Democratic Party







    osirisothedead 1858 2012-06-12 13:38:26.0 login to vote score 5
    the sonic dildo: Artur Davis, former prominent Obama backer, leaves Democratic Party


    What does that have to do with the article?
    shocker 99 2012-06-12 13:38:29.0 login to vote score 9
    selectivedisclosure: My problem is the religion that gets mixed in with it. Yuckie. Doesn't seem to happen as much on the other side. What part of separation of church and state do people not get? And why is it so important to you what other people do in the privacy of their own homes?


    I'd like to contribute to your political campaign, please
    finnley wren 24 2012-06-12 13:41:45.0 login to vote score 2
    osirisothedead: What does that have to do with the article?

    He graduated from Jefferson Davis High School.

    You couldn't make it up.
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-06-12 13:42:31.0 login to vote score 0
    finnley wren: He graduated from Jefferson Davis High School.

    You couldn't make it up.



    He went to HARVARD too..
    finnley wren 24 2012-06-12 13:44:19.0 login to vote score 2
    the sonic dildo: He went to HARVARD too..

    Was he affirmative action like Obama, you think?
    quinblake 1476 2012-06-12 13:50:26.0 login to vote score 4
    "Its fevered hallucinations involve threats from imaginary communists and socialists who, seemingly, lurk around every corner."


    payyourtaxescitizen.jpg
    bunnythor 544 2012-06-12 13:56:45.0 login to vote score 0
    grotfabrieken rubbishhausen: Rent boys got expensive?

    & U NO TAG Y?
    polydactylkatze 641 2012-06-12 14:00:09.0 login to vote score 8
    Quick, name one concrete reason this terrible writer left the Republican party.

    While you're at it, describe Queen Amidala without mentioning her appearance.
    howie_feltersnatch 11 2012-06-12 14:08:24.0 login to vote score 6
    polydactylkatze: Quick, name one concrete reason this terrible writer left the Republican party.

    While you're at it, describe Queen Amidala without mentioning her appearance.



    code_7 6865 2012-06-12 14:08:52.0 login to vote score 1
    polydactylkatze: Quick, name one concrete reason this terrible writer left the Republican party.


    I thought it was well written, what did you find wrong about it?
    howie_feltersnatch 11 2012-06-12 14:11:26.0 login to vote score 4
    Not sure why it's not animated in the previous one...


    finnley wren 24 2012-06-12 14:16:30.0 login to vote score 1
    code_7: I thought it was well written, what did you find wrong about it?

    I stopped at "Reagan bestrode the world like a Colossus" or whatever the hell that was.

    Not the way I remember it.
    polydactylkatze 641 2012-06-12 14:16:46.0 login to vote score 1
    code_7: I thought it was well written, what did you find wrong about it?

    It was all screedy opinion and no substance. Seriously, one concrete reason.
    so vote republican 6688 2012-06-12 14:19:41.0 login to vote score 5
    polydactylkatze: Quick, name one concrete reason this terrible writer left the Republican party.

    While you're at it, describe Queen Amidala without mentioning her appearance.


    Queen Amidala left the Republican Party because she didn't like the Tea Party.
    finnley wren 24 2012-06-12 14:20:45.0 login to vote score 2
    And I wasn't happy with "the Republican Party became one with every fiber of my being" or whatever the hell THAT was.

    But whatever it was, it sums up pretty well pretty much everything that's wrong with politics today.

    So, there's that.
    flashlv 1657 2012-06-12 14:21:32.0 login to vote score 0
    Because you wanted to take the easy way out?
    bunnythor 544 2012-06-12 14:21:46.0 login to vote score 2
    finnley wren: I stopped at "Reagan bestrode the world like a Colossus" or whatever the hell that was.

    Not the way I remember it.


    GIS for Reagan Colossus


    finnley wren 24 2012-06-12 14:23:50.0 login to vote score 2
    bunnythor: GIS for Reagan Colossus

    He's bestriding the hell out of that podium, I'll give him that.
    czarangelus 646 2012-06-12 14:24:15.0 login to vote score 1
    finnley wren: I stopped at "Reagan bestrode the world like a Colossus" or whatever the hell that was. Not the way I remember it.

    Reagan was a Communist.
    willywanka 274 2012-06-12 14:25:57.0 login to vote score 4
    finnley wren: I stopped at "Reagan bestrode the world like a Colossus" or whatever the hell that was.

    Not the way I remember it.




    it helps if you're in fourth grade and your parents loved him.
    finnley wren 24 2012-06-12 14:26:02.0 login to vote score 3
    czarangelus: Reagan was a Communist.

    Not psychologically impossible that the most well-known anti-communist of our time was, in fact, a communist. He did lead a union, after all.
    swingingjohnson 175 2012-06-12 14:26:17.0 login to vote score 2
    True fact for me, my first political act was passionately lobbying my third-grade classmates to vote for Ford over Jimmy Carter in a mock election in 1975.

    The school population was overwhelmingly in favor of Carter. I was a social outcast on that issue but I stuck by my guns. I knew these kids had no idea wtf they were talking about.
    bunnythor 544 2012-06-12 14:26:35.0 login to vote score 1
    czarangelus: Reagan was a Communist.

    Compared to the modern GOP? Yes, yes he was.
    willywanka 274 2012-06-12 14:26:40.0 login to vote score 2
    so vote republican: Queen Amidala left the Republican Party because she didn't like the Tea Party.

    I thought she supported the republic
    finnley wren 24 2012-06-12 14:26:55.0 login to vote score 0
    swingingjohnson: True fact for me, my first political act was passionately lobbying my third-grade classmates to vote for Ford over Jimmy Carter in a mock election in 1975.

    Ford was a communist.
    polydactylkatze 641 2012-06-12 14:26:57.0 login to vote score 1
    finnley wren: And I wasn't happy with "the Republican Party became one with every fiber of my being" or whatever the hell THAT was.

    But whatever it was, it sums up pretty well pretty much everything that's wrong with politics today.

    So, there's that.


    It's histrionic.
    finnley wren 24 2012-06-12 14:27:33.0 login to vote score 1
    polydactylkatze: It's histrionic.

    Hyperbolic.
    czarangelus 646 2012-06-12 14:28:50.0 login to vote score 2
    swingingjohnson: True fact for me, my first political act was passionately lobbying my third-grade classmates to vote for Ford over Jimmy Carter in a mock election in 1975.The school population was overwhelmingly in favor of Carter. I was a social outcast on that issue but I stuck by my guns. I knew these kids had no idea wtf they were talking about.

    In 5th grade, I read and vigorously argued in favor of one of Rush Limbaugh's books. True story.

    finnley wren: Not psychologically impossible that the most well-known anti-communist of our time was, in fact, a communist. He did lead a union, after all.

    He was a collectivist, deficit spending, international-interventionist big government lib. No wonder the modern GOP worships him.
    polydactylkatze 641 2012-06-12 14:31:04.0 login to vote score 3
    finnley wren: Hyperbolic.

    Why, it's Greased Lighting!


    maggotbrain 580 2012-06-12 14:32:50.0 login to vote score 4
    finnley wren: I stopped at "Reagan bestrode the world like a Colossus" or whatever the hell that was.

    Not the way I remember it.


    And we sailed beneath his beneath his spectacularly low hanging scrotum. Our sails lightly brushing his greatness, as we forged bravely on to conquer Albion.
    code_7 6865 2012-06-12 14:33:56.0 login to vote score 2
    polydactylkatze: It was all screedy opinion and no substance. Seriously, one concrete reason.

    Well, I think that political ideology requires the use of opinion, doesn't it? And acting upon your ideology requires you to base your actions on your opinion, right?

    But I couldn't help but think that this was a Democrat writing it, either so I don't know...


    finnley wren: And I wasn't happy with "the Republican Party became one with every fiber of my being" or whatever the hell THAT was.

    But whatever it was, it sums up pretty well pretty much everything that's wrong with politics today.

    So, there's that.


    I liked that imagery...

    sabine 745 2012-06-12 14:36:00.0 login to vote score 6
    finnley wren: Was he affirmative action like Obama, you think?

    I'm not sure how they do things down at the University of Sonic Dildos, but I used to ghostwrite term papers for $$$ when at Harvard. My clients didn't typically have a lot of melanin. They were virtually all WASPy legacies with Roman numerals after their name or football/hockey players.
    code_7 6865 2012-06-12 14:36:53.0 login to vote score 1
    swingingjohnson: True fact for me, my first political act was passionately lobbying my third-grade classmates to vote for Ford over Jimmy Carter in a mock election in 1975.

    I remember having a mock election in 3rd or 4th grade and being 1 of 2 votes for Mondale.

    I was a bit of an outcast myself...
    polydactylkatze 641 2012-06-12 14:38:33.0 login to vote score 0
    code_7: Well, I think that political ideology requires the use of opinion, doesn't it? And acting upon your ideology requires you to base your actions on your opinion, right?

    Of course, but generally the opinion is about something specific. What did the Republican Party, or representatives thereof, do, in reality, that offended the author? I've read the article twice, and I have no idea.
    swingingjohnson 175 2012-06-12 14:41:42.0 login to vote score 1
    code_7: I remember having a mock election in 3rd or 4th grade and being 1 of 2 votes for Mondale.

    I was a bit of an outcast myself...


    Were your parents hippies?

    WhyTF would you like Mondale?
    swingingjohnson 175 2012-06-12 14:43:57.0 login to vote score 0
    the sonic dildo: Artur Davis, former prominent Obama backer, leaves Democratic Party


    osirisothedead: What does that have to do with the article?


    Don't expect any kind of logical answer to that question. You'll be waiting a long, long, long time.
    code_7 6865 2012-06-12 14:44:37.0 login to vote score 1
    polydactylkatze: Of course, but generally the opinion is about something specific. What did the Republican Party, or representatives thereof, do, in reality, that offended the author? I've read the article twice, and I have no idea.

    It seems that the fundamentalism that has taken over the party has turned him off. Also, the denialism that forms all their platform planks seems to bother him as well. Whether he voiced those opinions well enough is left up to the reader, I guess...
    flashlv 1657 2012-06-12 14:46:24.0 login to vote score 0
    This guy is hilarious and doesn't realize that when a Republican is in office the Democrats who become batshit crazy.

    I am a Republican for economic reasons and more middle of the road ofr social issues. Both parties have the social aspect on politicis wrong.
    code_7 6865 2012-06-12 14:46:33.0 login to vote score 2
    swingingjohnson: Were your parents hippies?

    WhyTF would you like Mondale?


    Both of my parents were union members and I assume that the way he handled the ATC union scared them the most.

    And I still like Mondale over that retarded B actor who couldn't remember when to shit by the time he died anyway...

    He is and was a fucking treasonous fuck.
    bucket of truth 1525 2012-06-12 14:46:34.0 login to vote score 0
    I almost feel the same way about the Democrat party. The difference is they're not trying to fuck up the world as badly.
    czarangelus 646 2012-06-12 14:48:21.0 login to vote score 0
    bucket of truth: I almost feel the same way about the Democrat party. The difference is they're not trying to fuck up the world as badly.

    Unless you're Yemeni

    But towelheads don't count.
    finnley wren 24 2012-06-12 14:48:46.0 login to vote score 2
    bucket of truth: I almost feel the same way about the Democrat party.

    That you're already calling them the "Democrat" party reveals you just might have one foot on the other side.
    swingingjohnson 175 2012-06-12 14:50:14.0 login to vote score 2
    code_7: Both of my parents were union members and I assume that the way he handled the ATC union scared them the most.

    And I still like Mondale over that retarded B actor who couldn't remember when to shit by the time he died anyway...

    He is and was a fucking treasonous fuck.


    I know, I know.

    But no one knew until his 2nd term. That's when it all came out.

    Bush 41 would have never won had the Dems put up some decent competition.
    czarangelus 646 2012-06-12 14:52:37.0 login to vote score 4
    swingingjohnson: I know, I know.But no one knew until his 2nd term. That's when it all came out. Bush 41 would have never won had the Dems put up some decent competition.

    Kerry was programmed to lose, just like Romney. The international bankers like to limit potential instability as much as possible.
    swingingjohnson 175 2012-06-12 15:06:01.0 login to vote score 0
    czarangelus: Kerry was programmed to lose, just like Romney. The international bankers like to limit potential instability as much as possible.

    Yep. Just a game of thrones man.
    swingingjohnson 175 2012-06-12 15:06:49.0 login to vote score 2
    czarangelus: Kerry was programmed to lose, just like Romney. The international bankers like to limit potential instability as much as possible.


    swingingjohnson: Yep. Just a game of thrones man.

    You know who defied the game of throne last time?

    Robert Kennedy.
    czarangelus 646 2012-06-12 15:08:15.0 login to vote score 1
    swingingjohnson: You know who defied the game of throne last time?Robert Kennedy.

    I think it's true. Despite all the ridicule, despite all the lack of "proof" that satisfies the debunkers... I think there are players in this game that aren't human.
    clifton 1850 2012-06-12 15:09:09.0 login to vote score 3
    flashlv: Because you wanted to take the easy way out?

    were you looking for an easy way out back in November 2008?
    bucket of truth 1525 2012-06-12 15:09:59.0 login to vote score 1
    finnley wren: That you're already calling them the "Democrat" party reveals you just might have one foot on the other side.

    The semantic definition doesn't concern me. We call the people who subscribe to their party "Democrats". Why not call the party itself "The Democrat Party". Anyway, I've read the controversy and can now claim to be a gang member!

    "...the partisan equivalent of flashing a gang sign."
    little hands of concrete 1804 2012-06-12 15:12:47.0 login to vote score 1
    bucket of truth: The semantic definition doesn't concern me. We call the people who subscribe to their party "Democrats". Why not call the party itself "The Democrat Party". Anyway, I've read the controversy and can now claim to be a gang member!

    "...the partisan equivalent of flashing a gang sign."


    People that get bent about democrat vs democratic are pussies. People that try to get people bent by using democrat instead of democratic are assholes.


    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-06-12 15:13:11.0 login to vote score 0
    swingingjohnson: I know, I know.

    But no one knew until his 2nd term. That's when it all came out.

    Bush 41 would have never won had the Dems put up some decent competition.




    Bush 41 is a baddass.
    czarangelus 646 2012-06-12 15:13:41.0 login to vote score 1
    the sonic dildo: Bush 41 is a baddass.

    No he wasn't. He was the American Vladamir Putin. He was even head of the KGB CIA.
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-06-12 15:14:05.0 login to vote score 0
    little hands of concrete: People that get bent about democrat vs democratic are pussies. People that try to get people bent by using democrat instead of democratic are assholes.


    It is the Democrat party. There is nothing democratic about them.
    swingingjohnson 175 2012-06-12 15:14:16.0 login to vote score 1
    czarangelus: Kerry was programmed to lose, just like Romney. The international bankers like to limit potential instability as much as possible.

    It seemed to me that every time Kerry was leading in the polls he would purposely go out and do something to hurt his campaign.

    My pet rock could have beat Bush by just standing there with a shirt and tie and shutting up.

    And even then, it was still a close race with Kerry vs Bush.
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-06-12 15:14:33.0 login to vote score 0
    czarangelus: No he wasn't. He was the American Vladamir Putin. He was even head of the KGB CIA.

    Yeah... a badass.
    finnley wren 24 2012-06-12 15:14:43.0 login to vote score 2
    bucket of truth: The semantic definition doesn't concern me. We call the people who subscribe to their party "Democrats". Why not call the party itself "The Democrat Party". Anyway, I've read the controversy and can now claim to be a gang member!

    "...the partisan equivalent of flashing a gang sign."


    Doesn't concern me either. But it's certainly a red flag. I mean, it wasn't the Democrats that started calling themselves that, it was the other side, and snidely. No doubt Frank Luntz did some focus groups on it, and they're trying to turn the word "Democrat" into the same kind of epithet they turned "liberal" into.

    And though he is almost certainly insane, czar is onto something when he talks about people being programmed.
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-06-12 15:15:07.0 login to vote score 0
    swingingjohnson: It seemed to me that every time Kerry was leading in the polls he would purposely go out and do something to hurt his campaign.



    Like have someone toss him a football in front of a camera.
    czarangelus 646 2012-06-12 15:15:32.0 login to vote score 0
    the sonic dildo: Yeah... a badass.

    if you like authoritarianism and lies about Kuwaiti babies to stimulate foreign interventionism...
    swingingjohnson 175 2012-06-12 15:15:49.0 login to vote score 0
    the sonic dildo: Bush 41 is a baddass.

    I liked Bush 41 as president. I liked Clinton better. The 2 of them were the best 2 presidents we had since Ike IMO.
    the sonic dildo 11340 2012-06-12 15:16:00.0 login to vote score 0
    czarangelus: if you like authoritarianism and lies about Kuwaiti babies to stimulate foreign interventionism...



    Oil.
    swingingjohnson 175 2012-06-12 15:16:42.0 login to vote score 0
    czarangelus: if you like authoritarianism and lies about Kuwaiti babies to stimulate foreign interventionism...

    You're nitpicking. Compared to what his son did, 41 was very honorable.
    czarangelus 646 2012-06-12 15:17:51.0 login to vote score 2
    the sonic dildo: Oil.

    Oh goodie. Let's spend 10x in war what we could spend developing superior technology in securing an inferior and highly polluting resource through war.
    swingingjohnson 175 2012-06-12 15:20:33.0 login to vote score 2
    the sonic dildo: Like have someone toss him a football in front of a camera.

    He did a lot more harm than the football episode with his mouth.

    But I do understand where you're coming from. I do understand that Republicans take fumbling a football on camera much more seriously than a candidate's grasp of important issues.
    saturday ninja 3494 2012-06-12 15:21:30.0 login to vote score 0
    czarangelus: Oh goodie. Let's spend 10x in war what we could spend developing superior technology in securing an inferior and highly polluting resource through war.

    Cognitive dissonance is destroying America.
    bucket of truth 1525 2012-06-12 15:24:07.0 login to vote score 2
    little hands of concrete: People that get bent about democrat vs democratic are pussies. People that try to get people bent by using democrat instead of democratic are assholes.

    the sonic dildo: It is the Democrat party. There is nothing democratic about them.

    A more apt series of comments could not have been asked for. Good work, ladies!
    polydactylkatze 641 2012-06-12 15:27:08.0 login to vote score 1
    code_7: It seems that the fundamentalism that has taken over the party has turned him off. Also, the denialism that forms all their platform planks seems to bother him as well. Whether he voiced those opinions well enough is left up to the reader, I guess...

    Okay. I read it again. He's also pissed about birthers and Tea Partiers and other fringey paranoids, and the GOP's silence at their lunacy. Also, economic hypocrisy. It's too nebulous for my simple brain to grasp as an explanation for leaving the party. A concrete example or two would have gone a long way to helping me understand what he's talking about.
    blandly pompous 5389 2012-06-12 15:28:39.0 login to vote score 3
    swingingjohnson: I liked Bush 41 as president. I liked Clinton better. The 2 of them were the best 2 presidents we had since Ike IMO.

    Bush 41 was probably the worst President we've had, worse than his idiot son. Why? He manufactured the Iraq War. That didn't have to happen, Saddam could have been stopped from invading Kuwait if Bush 41's administration had warned Saddam about doing it. The Iraq War led to the US having troops in Saudi Arabia, one of the prime reasons Al Qaeda became pissed off at us.
    finnley wren 24 2012-06-12 15:30:45.0 login to vote score 2
    blandly pompous: Bush 41 was probably the worst President we've had, worse than his idiot son. Why? He manufactured the Iraq War. That didn't have to happen, Saddam could have been stopped from invading Kuwait if Bush 41's administration had warned Saddam about doing it. The Iraq War led to the US having troops in Saudi Arabia, one of the prime reasons Al Qaeda became pissed off at us.

    He was up to his neck in Iran-Contra, where we sold weapons to the people responsible for killing 250 marines. He lied his ass off on live television to Dan Rather about it. he pardoned everyone that might have otherwise talked about it.

    Confess I liked him a lot at the time. Am rethinking my appraisal.
    sabine 745 2012-06-12 15:31:33.0 login to vote score 1
    swingingjohnson: I do understand that Republicans take fumbling a football on camera much more seriously than a candidate's grasp of important issues.


    swingingjohnson 175 2012-06-12 15:34:43.0 login to vote score 1
    sabine:

    I liked Ford. He had a certain dignity that appealed to my 7 year old brain that Carter didn't have.
    swingingjohnson 175 2012-06-12 15:36:08.0 login to vote score 0
    blandly pompous: Bush 41 was probably the worst President we've had, worse than his idiot son. Why? He manufactured the Iraq War. That didn't have to happen, Saddam could have been stopped from invading Kuwait if Bush 41's administration had warned Saddam about doing it. The Iraq War led to the US having troops in Saudi Arabia, one of the prime reasons Al Qaeda became pissed off at us.

    I think they were warned. Plenty. Saddam gambled that the USA would not intervene.
    czarangelus 646 2012-06-12 15:38:14.0 login to vote score 1
    swingingjohnson: I think they were warned. Plenty. Saddam gambled that the USA would not intervene.

    There are rumors that Bushie Daddy told Saddam he could, then backstabbed him.
    blandly pompous 5389 2012-06-12 15:41:19.0 login to vote score 2
    swingingjohnson: I think they were warned. Plenty. Saddam gambled that the USA would not intervene.

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/longroad/etc/cron.html
    July 25, 1990 - Saddam meets with U.S. ambassador

    April Glaspie, U.S. ambassador to Iraq, is summoned to meet with Saddam. According to an Iraqi transcript, Saddam harangues her about his dispute with Kuwait over oil prices. Ambassador Glaspie tells Saddam, "The president personally wants to deepen the relationship with Iraq." She expresses concerns about the Iraqi troops on the Kuwaiti border, but reflecting the official State Department position, she says, "We don't have much to say about Arab-Arab differences, like your border differences with Kuwait. ... All we hope is you solve these matters quickly."

    In the final week of July, Saddam reinforces his troops. But several Arab leaders privately assure the U.S. that Iraq will not invade Kuwait. The State Department continues to make it clear the U.S. will not intervene in the dispute.


    They told Saddam that they basically couldn't care less, then once he invaded they screamed bloody murder.
    finnley wren 24 2012-06-12 15:43:14.0 login to vote score 2
    And lets not forget that the fruit of Iran-Contra was that the president didn't have to do what the Congress told him to do when it came to warmaking, clearly a Congressional power.

    We're living with that erosion of our checks and balances even today.
    maggotbrain 580 2012-06-12 15:44:28.0 login to vote score 1
    code_7: Both of my parents were union members and I assume that the way he handled the ATC union scared them the most.

    And I still like Mondale over that retarded B actor who couldn't remember when to shit by the time he died anyway...

    He is and was a fucking treasonous fuck.


    Most of my summer jobs , in the early 80s, were spent outdoors and I was mostly forced to listen to the entirety of the Iran-Contra hearings. So, my political views are definitely colored. That, and having Nixon resign and watch the Saigon pullout as my first TV memories have shaped my views to a great deal. Me cynical?
    swingingjohnson 175 2012-06-12 15:46:24.0 login to vote score 2
    czarangelus: There are rumors that Bushie Daddy told Saddam he could, then backstabbed him.

    If that were true Saddam would have communicated that info to the world with every media outlet at his disposal including interviews with 60 MINUTES.

    Bush 41 probably saw Operation Desert Storm as a way to gain good political capital and also as what was strategically best for the US. Clinton never made that an issue in his campaign.

    In fact, he went ahead and wholeheartedly agreed with Desert Storm. He said, "It's about the economy, stupid!"

    But I don't think Bush 41's Gulf War operation was all that malicious. Bush 43 on the other hand... that was downright criminal!
    czarangelus 646 2012-06-12 15:47:41.0 login to vote score 1
    swingingjohnson: If that were true Saddam would have communicated that info to the world with every media outlet at his disposal including interviews with 60 MINUTES.Bush 41 probably saw Operation Desert Storm as a way to gain good political capital and also as what was strategically best for the US. Clinton never made that an issue in his campaign. In fact, he went ahead and wholeheartedly agreed with Desert Storm. He said, "It's about the economy, stupid!"But I don't think Bush 41's Gulf War operation was all that malicious. Bush 43 on the other hand... that was downright criminal!

    The massacres of fleeing and surrendering Iraqi soldiers?
    maggotbrain 580 2012-06-12 15:48:42.0 login to vote score 0
    czarangelus: The massacres of fleeing and surrendering Iraqi soldiers?

    Yeah. total bummer.
    maggotbrain 580 2012-06-12 15:50:44.0 login to vote score 1
    finnley wren: He was up to his neck in Iran-Contra, where we sold weapons to the people responsible for killing 250 marines. He lied his ass off on live television to Dan Rather about it. he pardoned everyone that might have otherwise talked about it.

    Confess I liked him a lot at the time. Am rethinking my appraisal.


    Up to his neck? That is certainly an understatement.
    sabine 745 2012-06-12 15:51:33.0 login to vote score 3
    swingingjohnson: I liked Ford. He had a certain dignity that appealed to my 7 year old brain that Carter didn't have.

    I believe he was the only President in history that was never elected to any national executive office.
    swingingjohnson 175 2012-06-12 15:52:31.0 login to vote score 0
    czarangelus: The massacres of fleeing and surrendering Iraqi soldiers?

    Hey... regardless of which direction the soldiers were traveling on the highway, they did not surrender in any way. They were merely retreating. Saddam didn't surrender. The opposite.

    In combat operations if the enemy is getting there ass kicked, simply retreating does not mean you get a time out.

    Go ahead and google what Saddam's troops did to the Kuwaiti people while they were on their invasion campaign.

    swingingjohnson 175 2012-06-12 15:54:28.0 login to vote score 0
    sabine: I believe he was the only President in history that was never elected to any national executive office.

    No. He was an elected Senator. He was the only US president never elected president or vice president.
    czarangelus 646 2012-06-12 15:54:33.0 login to vote score 0
    swingingjohnson: Hey... regardless of which direction the soldiers were traveling on the highway, they did not surrender in any way. They were merely retreating. Saddam didn't surrender. The opposite. In combat operations if the enemy is getting there ass kicked, simply retreating does not mean you get a time out.Go ahead and google what Saddam's troops did to the Kuwaiti people while they were on their invasion campaign.

    The same thing done by the Libyan Army and the Syrian Army and the Albanians, no doubt. I'll bet all they had to do was white out the names and scribble in new ones on the Pentagon press releases.

    finnley wren 24 2012-06-12 15:55:10.0 login to vote score 0
    swingingjohnson: No. He was an elected Senator. He was the only US president never elected president or vice president.

    Ford was never a senator.
    swingingjohnson 175 2012-06-12 15:56:43.0 login to vote score 0
    finnley wren: Ford was never a senator.

    OK, you're right... wiki tells us:

    Ford served nearly 25 years as the Representative from Michigan's 5th congressional district, eight of them as the Republican Minority Leader.
    someone who may or may not be BigGubisbestGub 2012-06-12 15:57:39.0 login to vote score 0
    Agent Saddam Hussein
    swingingjohnson 175 2012-06-12 15:58:01.0 login to vote score 1
    sabine: I believe he was the only President in history that was never elected to any national executive office.

    Yeah! That's crazy!

    Yet he got on the Warren Commission.


    Ford was a spook!
    swingingjohnson 175 2012-06-12 16:01:28.0 login to vote score 2
    blandly pompous: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/longroad/etc/cron.html
    July 25, 1990 - Saddam meets with U.S. ambassador

    April Glaspie, U.S. ambassador to Iraq, is summoned to meet with Saddam. According to an Iraqi transcript, Saddam harangues her about his dispute with Kuwait over oil prices. Ambassador Glaspie tells Saddam, "The president personally wants to deepen the relationship with Iraq." She expresses concerns about the Iraqi troops on the Kuwaiti border, but reflecting the official State Department position, she says, "We don't have much to say about Arab-Arab differences, like your border differences with Kuwait. ... All we hope is you solve these matters quickly."

    In the final week of July, Saddam reinforces his troops. But several Arab leaders privately assure the U.S. that Iraq will not invade Kuwait. The State Department continues to make it clear the U.S. will not intervene in the dispute.


    They told Saddam that they basically couldn't care less, then once he invaded they screamed bloody murder.



    Damn. I try to be a little tiny bit bipartisan by giving a Republican a little bit of decent credibility, but you guys make it very difficult.

    I'm gonna go see if bN has a good titty thread going on now.


    code_7 6865 2012-06-12 18:41:08.0 login to vote score 2
    swingingjohnson:
    Bush 41 would have never won had the Dems put up some decent competition.


    ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY THAT DUKAKIS WAS NOT GOOD COMPETITION!?!

    Yeah, yeah I know...heh
    code_7 6865 2012-06-12 18:47:55.0 login to vote score 2
    bucket of truth:
    "...the partisan equivalent of flashing a gang sign."


    Well some have already used your lack of respect to just go ahead and label the right as Republicons, so you know name calling is getting us way ahead...
    bluegargoyle 635 2012-06-12 18:52:12.0 login to vote score 2
    From the moment the Tea Party emerged on the scene, I had a premonition that I would eventually have to leave the GOP.

    But... I was told the tea party started out completely separate from the Republicans. I learned it on bN.
    maggotbrain 580 2012-06-12 18:54:35.0 login to vote score 2
    code_7: Well some have already used your lack of respect to just go ahead and label the right as Republicons, so you know name calling is getting us way ahead...

    That's fucking cold.

    Accurate but ruthless. I like you.
    elton jon benet 3546 2012-06-12 18:55:57.0 login to vote score 0
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